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  • jcs
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
9ers losing to Baltimore was a far bigger choke job.

Agreed.

I always said a choke job by the coach is if they don't have their team prepared to play.

Players making key mistakes on the field that have nothing to do with coaching is not on the coach.

Purdy not able to hit Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark isn't on Kyle. Burford literally doing his own thing isn't on Kyle.

I'd say there was more fault on Kyle in 2019 but even there Jimmy not making his throws that were there, including an open Sanders isn't on Kyle(tho we did have someone who legit called that a bad play call because it would've had us scoring too quickly smh)

Harbaugh's fail in that SB I still haven't gotten over. Some on here know I live in MA and as long as they're not hurting us by winning I root for the Pats. That AFCCG I wanted the Ravens to win cuz I legit didn't see a way we could lose to them. We were built to beat that team…and we all know how that game went.

THAT is a choke job. When you need a blackout to happen simply to stop the other team from blowing you out and still finding a way to blow it at the end due to poor design of playcalling and going away from your best player.

Mike McCarthy's playoff game vs GB in 2023 - major choke job. They had no business losing that game and came out completely unprepared.

Coaches can't make the plays on the field. It's not Madden. It's up to the guys out there to execute what's drawn up. And for the majority of the time Kyle has this team in position to make those plays and win the game. That's all you can ask for in the HC/playcaller.

Up to the players to do their jobs…but both sides get paid.

Awful post. Your Kyle bias is astonishing. The lengths you go to blame individual players, injuries, refs, weather, undercooked dinner before the game….just to excuse Kyle's mistakes is stunning. Then you casually make bland comments like "Harbaugh lost us the SB". Why not stick with your own recipe ? Why not blame Kaepernick for not placing the ball in a better spot for Crabtree on that last play on 4th down ? Maybe if Kaep audibles the play on one of those last 4 downs, Gore gets the ball and runs it in. But Kaep didn't, so it was Kaep's fault not Harbs.

See what I did there ? I followed your strategy on taking the whole sum then breaking it into small little pieces and diverting blame for each individual mistake to player, ref, weather, lighting, etc. When in reality if you pull back the camera and look at the big picture, just as Harbaugh was to blame for the SB loss vs the Ravens, Kyle played a hand in both those SB losses. Both SBs that he had 10 point leads and opportunities to step on KC's throat and failed to do so.

You need it explained because you refuse to actually stop and use logic and actual football results.

The 49ers were built to take out that Ravens team. Immobile QB vs dominant pass rush. Ravens with a big but slower D vs Kap who was tearing up defenses with his legs.

We literally went into a game where we were heavy favorites and had superb matchups and started the game with an illegal formation penalty. Wow Harbaugh really had the team locked in...all the way to 28-6 deficit. All it took for the team to wake up was an act of God and a blackout in the stadium to kill the Ravens momentum.

And why I'm not blaming Kap is because the playcalls were idiotic. Ravens best run defender on the sidelines and you're gashing that defense with the run and Gore...well goring them out there. He doesn't get another look in a first and goal situation. And to top it off Harbaugh's bizarre need to have 3 guys involved in goal line playcalling and his love to wait til the last second to see what the defense is doing led him to calling a timeout that by all accounts would've resulted in a walk in TD by Kap(a run play)

So no...what you did there is make absurd mental gymnastics based on nothing football related. All you're doing is showing how absurd your logic is.

Shanahan had the team in position to succeed. Harbaugh didn't. There is no realistic argument otherwise.

Harbaugh had the team one play away from wining at literally the last few second of play after an incredible comback. Kyle had double digit leads into both 4th quarters and choked away both games. One was a historic come from behind near victory the other choked away the lead in the 4th quarter of not one but two SB's to the same damn team.
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Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by genus49:
You need it explained because you refuse to actually stop and use logic and actual football results.

The 49ers were built to take out that Ravens team. Immobile QB vs dominant pass rush. Ravens with a big but slower D vs Kap who was tearing up defenses with his legs.

We literally went into a game where we were heavy favorites and had superb matchups and started the game with an illegal formation penalty. Wow Harbaugh really had the team locked in...all the way to 28-6 deficit. All it took for the team to wake up was an act of God and a blackout in the stadium to kill the Ravens momentum.

And why I'm not blaming Kap is because the playcalls were idiotic. Ravens best run defender on the sidelines and you're gashing that defense with the run and Gore...well goring them out there. He doesn't get another look in a first and goal situation. And to top it off Harbaugh's bizarre need to have 3 guys involved in goal line playcalling and his love to wait til the last second to see what the defense is doing led him to calling a timeout that by all accounts would've resulted in a walk in TD by Kap(a run play)

So no...what you did there is make absurd mental gymnastics based on nothing football related. All you're doing is showing how absurd your logic is.

Shanahan had the team in position to succeed. Harbaugh didn't. There is no realistic argument otherwise.

I'll play your game.

Harbaugh had his team inside the 10 in POSITION to win that game. Let's not forget how we got to that POSITION on that last drive. Harbaugh's playcalls. Kyle Shanahan had THREE opportunities to get his team in POSITION to win that Super Bowl against KC in 2019 and failed to do so.

Now, given that big coaches FAILED to win it, please explain how Harbaugh gets the blame for failing on that last drive despite getting his team inside the 10 in those final moments, but Kyle doesn't get the blame for not getting his team anywhere close to the 10 on three straight opportunities.

Comeon man, your bias is apparent.

My game requires living in reality and actually discussing the scenarios playing out on the field, not in make believe land.

As always your posts are filled with crazy leaps in logic and straight up fictional takes.

Harbaugh was not the playcaller - Greg Roman was. And we got in that position mostly by running the ball. 3 runs for 49 yards, 1 pass for 24 yards.

But since you need it broken down for you...

The weakest part of our offense was our passing game to our WRs. Ravens strength was their secondary. Calling 3 straight pass plays to Crabtree isn't setting the team up for success.

2nd down - First pass play we roll Kap right and give him just 1 realistic pass option - nothing there
3rd down - should've been the Kap run for the TD but Harbaugh calls timeout to kill the play and they go back to the pass. Once again - his own ridiculous method of calling plays in that area of the field led to the clock getting down low and panicking him into calling a timeout. THAT is a coaching decision. Not sure how difficult it is to understand where a coach's method and direct action wipes out a likely TD play...vs Shanahan actually calling a would be TD play and his RG messing it up by not doing his job on the play.
Pass play ends up being short of the end zone and pretty easily defended.
4th down - we all know the play, and yes it should've been a flag.

Harbaugh's team was healthy, Harbaugh's team was better virtually across the board and yet they were down 28-6 in the 3rd quarter and needed a blackout to get back in the game and still blew it due to a direct coaching decision.

You wanna talk about bias...you can't tell the difference between those games.
Originally posted by jcs:
Harbaugh had the team one play away from wining at literally the last few second of play after an incredible comback. Kyle had double digit leads into both 4th quarters and choked away both games. One was a historic come from behind near victory the other choked away the lead in the 4th quarter of not one but two SB's to the same damn team.

Harbaugh's own ideology of how to run plays took off a likely TD during that last drive and guess what...there was still 1:50 left in the game or so where we'd be holding a 2 point lead(3 if we went for 2 and got it)

And that incredible comeback doesn't happen without a blackout. Something he had 0 to do with.

Also stop saying stuff that's simply not true. We did not have a double digit lead in the 4th quarter of the last SB. You guys are so busy hating Shanahan you can't even remember basic facts about those games.

Btw there's Patrick Mahomes........................................then there's Joe Flacco.

Come back here to reality.
Originally posted by jcs:
Harbaugh had the team one play away from wining at literally the last few second of play after an incredible comback. Kyle had double digit leads into both 4th quarters and choked away both games. One was a historic come from behind near victory the other choked away the lead in the 4th quarter of not one but two SB's to the same damn team.

He also had the team down huge to an inferior opponent. 5.5 favorite and you trail deep into the 3rd. Completely unprepared to play in the SB is inexcusable. Couldn't even execute the first play of the game properly.

9ers trailed going into the 4th quarter of the last Super Bowl. Why is it so hard for you to fact check your own post?
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Dec 1, 2025 at 11:35 AM ]
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by jcs:
Harbaugh had the team one play away from wining at literally the last few second of play after an incredible comback. Kyle had double digit leads into both 4th quarters and choked away both games. One was a historic come from behind near victory the other choked away the lead in the 4th quarter of not one but two SB's to the same damn team.

He also had the team down huge to an inferior opponent. 5.5 favorite and you trail deep into the 3rd. Completely unprepared to play in the SB is inexcusable. Couldn't even execute the first play of the game properly.

9ers trailed going into the 4th quarter of the last Super Bowl. Why is it so hard for you to fact check your own post?

I don't think I'll ever be able to get over that Ravens loss.

One of the healthiest teams - whole week 1 starting defense playing all game. Offense only losses were Manningham and Alex switched to Kap.

You really can't point to any one position group where the Ravens were clearly better.

Our QB was better and more dynamic
Our RBs were better
Our TEs were absolutely beastly
OL better
DL better
LBs better

WRs and DBs you can argue for the Ravens but not by much that's for sure.

Come out totally unprepared vs a team coached by his older brother...like come on dude. I legit never expected us to lose that game.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by jcs:
Harbaugh had the team one play away from wining at literally the last few second of play after an incredible comback. Kyle had double digit leads into both 4th quarters and choked away both games. One was a historic come from behind near victory the other choked away the lead in the 4th quarter of not one but two SB's to the same damn team.

He also had the team down huge to an inferior opponent. 5.5 favorite and you trail deep into the 3rd. Completely unprepared to play in the SB is inexcusable. Couldn't even execute the first play of the game properly.

9ers trailed going into the 4th quarter of the last Super Bowl. Why is it so hard for you to fact check your own post?

I don't think I'll ever be able to get over that Ravens loss.

One of the healthiest teams - whole week 1 starting defense playing all game. Offense only losses were Manningham and Alex switched to Kap.

You really can't point to any one position group where the Ravens were clearly better.

Our QB was better and more dynamic
Our RBs were better
Our TEs were absolutely beastly
OL better
DL better
LBs better

WRs and DBs you can argue for the Ravens but not by much that's for sure.

Come out totally unprepared vs a team coached by his older brother...like come on dude. I legit never expected us to lose that game.

I think you guys are forgetting about Justin's torn tricep and Aldons torn labrum. Our secondary got exposed because they weren't effective rushing the passer anymore. And you guys act like it's crazy to lose to that Ravens team when they already beat healthier defenses and better QBs to get to the sb

Almost making the biggest comeback in sb history is not choking. At least I've never heard anybody talk about it as a choke job other than Shanahan fans. If the Ravens lost that game then everybody would have been talking about choking, like when the falcons lost
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think you guys are forgetting about Justin's torn tricep and Aldons torn labrum. Our secondary got exposed because they weren't effective rushing the passer anymore. And you guys act like it's crazy to lose to that Ravens team when they already beat healthier defenses and better QBs to get to the sb

Almost making the biggest comeback in sb history is not choking. At least I've never heard anybody talk about it as a choke job other than Shanahan fans. If the Ravens lost that game then everybody would have been talking about choking, like when the falcons lost

Losing to an inferior team is absolutely a choke. It's the literal definition. Patriots losing to the Giants is the biggest choke job in nfl history.

Shouldn't the better team come back when down?

Chiefs came back from big deficits all throughout 2019 playoffs. Why does that history not matter? Did the Texans and Titans both choke? Or were the Chiefs just better?
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Dec 1, 2025 at 12:18 PM ]
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by jcs:
Harbaugh had the team one play away from wining at literally the last few second of play after an incredible comback. Kyle had double digit leads into both 4th quarters and choked away both games. One was a historic come from behind near victory the other choked away the lead in the 4th quarter of not one but two SB's to the same damn team.

He also had the team down huge to an inferior opponent. 5.5 favorite and you trail deep into the 3rd. Completely unprepared to play in the SB is inexcusable. Couldn't even execute the first play of the game properly.

9ers trailed going into the 4th quarter of the last Super Bowl. Why is it so hard for you to fact check your own post?

Again, we have to be on the same page. It was absolutely Jim Harbaugh's fault the team lost to the Ravens. And we can go about and break down every little detail and blame (like genus dos when it comes to Shanahan) the refs (didn't call hold on that kickoff return), injuries (both Smiths hurt), etc. Yet he is ok with Jim Harbaugh shouldering the blame for the Ravens loss, but finds every excuse in the book outside of Shanahan for those 2 SB losses. Even though as I mentioned we can break down each and every play for Harbaugh and find an excuse for things not happening the way he wanted them to. Quite hypocritical actually…
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think you guys are forgetting about Justin's torn tricep and Aldons torn labrum. Our secondary got exposed because they weren't effective rushing the passer anymore. And you guys act like it's crazy to lose to that Ravens team when they already beat healthier defenses and better QBs to get to the sb

Almost making the biggest comeback in sb history is not choking. At least I've never heard anybody talk about it as a choke job other than Shanahan fans. If the Ravens lost that game then everybody would have been talking about choking, like when the falcons lost

Losing to an inferior team is absolutely a choke. It's the literal definition.

Shouldn't the better team come back when down?

Chiefs came back from big deficits all throughout 2019 playoffs. Why does that history not matter? Did the Texans and Titans both choke? Or were the Chiefs just better?

It was a team that just beat healthier defenses and better QBs the whole way through the playoffs. This wasn't the pats vs giants lol

It has be like a pats vs giants level disparity to consider simply losing a sb a choke. The other way you choke is losing leads
Originally posted by DrEll:
Again, we have to be on the same page. It was absolutely Jim Harbaugh's fault the team lost to the Ravens. And we can go about and break down every little detail and blame (like genus dos when it comes to Shanahan) the refs (didn't call hold on that kickoff return), injuries (both Smiths hurt), etc. Yet he is ok with Jim Harbaugh shouldering the blame for the Ravens loss, but finds every excuse in the book outside of Shanahan for those 2 SB losses. Even though as I mentioned we can break down each and every play for Harbaugh and find an excuse for things not happening the way he wanted them to. Quite hypocritical actually…

Because it's not apples to oranges. Chiefs were favored in 2019 and 2023 was a slight favorite to 9ers. We weren't walking into either game as the huge favorite like in 2012. Chiefs are also a dynasty while the Ravens were a one off.

Think Bengal fans think they choked in the 80s?
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It was a team that just beat healthier defenses and better QBs the whole way through the playoffs. This wasn't the pats vs giants lol

It has be like a pats vs giants level disparity to consider simply losing a sb a choke. The other way you choke is losing leads

So every team KC played in the playoffs just happened to choke?

Ravens needed the Broncos to blow the game with an all time dumb defensive play.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Again, we have to be on the same page. It was absolutely Jim Harbaugh's fault the team lost to the Ravens. And we can go about and break down every little detail and blame (like genus dos when it comes to Shanahan) the refs (didn't call hold on that kickoff return), injuries (both Smiths hurt), etc. Yet he is ok with Jim Harbaugh shouldering the blame for the Ravens loss, but finds every excuse in the book outside of Shanahan for those 2 SB losses. Even though as I mentioned we can break down each and every play for Harbaugh and find an excuse for things not happening the way he wanted them to. Quite hypocritical actually…

Because it's not apples to oranges. Chiefs were favored in 2019 and 2023 was a slight favorite to 9ers. We weren't walking into either game as the huge favorite like in 2012. Chiefs are also a dynasty while the Ravens were a one off.

Think Bengal fans think they choked in the 80s?

The Chiefs are a dynasty bc of us lol. Without those wins they are 1-3 in the SB in the Mahomes era.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
It was a team that just beat healthier defenses and better QBs the whole way through the playoffs. This wasn't the pats vs giants lol

It has be like a pats vs giants level disparity to consider simply losing a sb a choke. The other way you choke is losing leads

So every team KC played in the playoffs just happened to choke?

Ravens needed the Broncos to blow the game with an all time dumb defensive play.

And the Broncos needed 2 kick returns just to be in that game even though they had Manning and his high powered Denver offense. They were playing the best ball in the league and their qb was the hottest in the league
[ Edited by CharlieSheen on Dec 1, 2025 at 12:35 PM ]
Originally posted by DrEll:
The Chiefs are a dynasty bc of us lol. Without those wins they are 1-3 in the SB in the Mahomes era.

Ok say they lose both. They are still slightly more than what the 9ers were in the 90s. That's still a lot more impressive than the Ravens have been under Harbaugh.

7 straight afc title games. 5 of 6 Sb appearances. That's elite no matter how you look at it.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
And the Broncos needed 2 kick returns just to be in that game even though they had Manning and his high powered Denver offense. They were playing the best ball in the league and their qb was the hottest in the league

Chiefs came back on everyone they played. They were playing the best ball and their qb played his biggest when it mattered most.
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