Who's lived up to there big contract?

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by genus49:
Nobody second guesses other QBs when they make game winning throws even into tight coverage. We had a kicker who missed 2 kicks already. I have no issue with that decision on 3rd down given how that game went down.

I don't think I've ever seen a fan base so upset that a QB led a 4th quarter comeback and threw a game winning TD. All because it wasn't pretty enough.

The fear is that BP's last year wasn't a fluke and his trajectory is that of Jimmy G. Especially as defense coordinators get better and better at exploiting his weaknesses.

I dont think it was a fluke. Its a product of what Purdy needs to be a top QB and the contract he signed. As he tries to make up for roster deficiencies, due to injuries or cap space, he plays hero ball and he makes mistakes. He isnt good enough to consistently win games on his own.

Can he live up to his big contract? I get the feeling its going to be more 2024 than 2023.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by genus49:
Nobody second guesses other QBs when they make game winning throws even into tight coverage. We had a kicker who missed 2 kicks already. I have no issue with that decision on 3rd down given how that game went down.

I don't think I've ever seen a fan base so upset that a QB led a 4th quarter comeback and threw a game winning TD. All because it wasn't pretty enough.

Dont be so dramatic. The critique is reasonable especially after the 2024 sesaon and signing a big co ntract. A quarter of a billion brings expectations.

Dramatic is claiming Brock's new deal looks bad cuz he's choking late in games when the only game on the book with that new contract is a game winning drive…

Agreed. There are valid things to point out, however, choking is not one of them.

Brock is the least choker we have had probably since young.

With Jimmy you knew the collapse was coming every game.

Brock i actually have faith to win the game if he gets the ball more often then not.

He's going to sling it and throw some untimely picks but I would much rather have that than getting sacked or trying to dink and dunk and getting wrecked on the last drive of the game or taking back breaking sacks.

That is what we had for 20 years and it repeatedly cost us.

So we established Brock is better than Jimmy G.....lol.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I dont think it was a fluke. Its a product of what Purdy needs to be a top QB and the contract he signed. As he tries to make up for roster deficiencies, due to injuries or cap space, he plays hero ball and he makes mistakes. He isnt good enough to consistently win games on his own.

Can he live up to his big contract? I get the feeling its going to be more 2024 than 2023.

There are 5 guys that can. Hell Mahomes hasn't been good enough to make up for his team so far. Neither has Lamar.

Jared Goff can't carry the Lions. Jalen Hurts can't carry the Eagles.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I dont think it was a fluke. Its a product of what Purdy needs to be a top QB and the contract he signed. As he tries to make up for roster deficiencies, due to injuries or cap space, he plays hero ball and he makes mistakes. He isnt good enough to consistently win games on his own.

Can he live up to his big contract? I get the feeling its going to be more 2024 than 2023.

There are 5 guys that can. Hell Mahomes hasn't been good enough to make up for his team so far. Neither has Lamar.

Jared Goff can't carry the Lions. Jalen Hurts can't carry the Eagles.

Yes, its still a team sport and there is nuiance. Correct.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Yes, its still a team sport and there is nuiance. Correct.

How could I forget Robert Salah. Lived up to his contract and then sum in just 3 games. He's easily the biggest reason we're 3-0. Damn sure isn't the offense!

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Yes, its still a team sport and there is nuiance. Correct.

How could I forget Robert Salah. Lived up to his contract and then sum in just 3 games. He's easily the biggest reason we're 3-0. Damn sure isn't the offense!

Really good so far.

Monday morning QBing at its prime. Teams PAY their best players. The aforementioned are all worth it as the salary pay scale is set by position. The prices go up as time goes on. In a few years Bosas contract will seem like a steal. All of the players are the foundation of the team. Of Course Lynch and Company will pay them.

How many franchises PAY players and they never win any play off games??

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by genus49:
Nobody second guesses other QBs when they make game winning throws even into tight coverage. We had a kicker who missed 2 kicks already. I have no issue with that decision on 3rd down given how that game went down.

I don't think I've ever seen a fan base so upset that a QB led a 4th quarter comeback and threw a game winning TD. All because it wasn't pretty enough.

Dont be so dramatic. The critique is reasonable especially after the 2024 sesaon and signing a big co ntract. A quarter of a billion brings expectations.

Dramatic is claiming Brock's new deal looks bad cuz he's choking late in games when the only game on the book with that new contract is a game winning drive…

Giberish.

Appreciate you summarizing your takes like that.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I dont think it was a fluke. Its a product of what Purdy needs to be a top QB and the contract he signed. As he tries to make up for roster deficiencies, due to injuries or cap space, he plays hero ball and he makes mistakes. He isnt good enough to consistently win games on his own.

Can he live up to his big contract? I get the feeling its going to be more 2024 than 2023.

There are 5 guys that can. Hell Mahomes hasn't been good enough to make up for his team so far. Neither has Lamar.

Jared Goff can't carry the Lions. Jalen Hurts can't carry the Eagles.

Yes, its still a team sport and there is nuiance. Correct.

Cool. It's so nuanced you get to choose when you want to treat it like a team sport?

You're shocked that he may not put up MVP like stats when the offense isn't as talented? I guess Mahomes must not be worth his contract either since he's not putting up MVP numbers anymore?

Or is he allowed to not play his best football cuz he's got guys missing on offense?

Just want to make sure where the nuance takes us on that one.

-Kittle and Warner are the only ones that have really lived up to their big contracts

-Lenoir looking good so far but I wouldn't make a conclusion yet.

-Bosa was the best pass-rusher of the league in 2021-22 but since he signed his big contract he was just a merely good pass-rusher with a production that didn't worth the big bucks he got. I mean, he was the best paid defensive player of the league for 2 seasons but he wasn't even in the conversation for DPOY those 2 years.

-Deebo got paid and got lazy and fat and he was a jerk. I'm glad he is gone.

-Purdy is too early to tell.

I'm talking about the players they drafted that's why I'm not counting Silverback.

Fred yes. Bosa yes. CMC no kittle yes. Brock is just getting started but he needs to play smarter and well… actually play. Availability is becoming an issue. Hard to say he is earning anything when he is on the sidelines.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
-Kittle and Warner are the only ones that have really lived up to their big contracts

-Lenoir looking good so far but I wouldn't make a conclusion yet.

-Bosa was the best pass-rusher of the league in 2021-22 but since he signed his big contract he was just a merely good pass-rusher with a production that didn't worth the big bucks he got. I mean, he was the best paid defensive player of the league for 2 seasons but he wasn't even in the conversation for DPOY those 2 years.

-Deebo got paid and got lazy and fat and he was a jerk. I'm glad he is gone.

-Purdy is too early to tell.

I'm talking about the players they drafted that's why I'm not counting Silverback.

Decent assessment, especially on Bosa. I'm a bit on the fence with Kittle because he's injury prone. When he's on the field he's elite.

Demo is a great example of not overpaying. Not paying good player great money. Good money for a good player, and worth every penny so far. This should be the benchmark.

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
-Kittle and Warner are the only ones that have really lived up to their big contracts

-Lenoir looking good so far but I wouldn't make a conclusion yet.

-Bosa was the best pass-rusher of the league in 2021-22 but since he signed his big contract he was just a merely good pass-rusher with a production that didn't worth the big bucks he got. I mean, he was the best paid defensive player of the league for 2 seasons but he wasn't even in the conversation for DPOY those 2 years.

-Deebo got paid and got lazy and fat and he was a jerk. I'm glad he is gone.

-Purdy is too early to tell.

I'm talking about the players they drafted that's why I'm not counting Silverback.

Decent assessment, especially on Bosa. I'm a bit on the fence with Kittle because he's injury prone. When he's on the field he's elite.

Demo is a great example of not overpaying. Not paying good player great money. Good money for a good player, and worth every penny so far. This should be the benchmark.

Bosa had 21.5 sacks and 35 tackles for a loss in 34 games started since he signed his extension and only missed 3 games up to this injury.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BosaNi00.htm

Kittle missed 6 games in the last 4 years not that bad either.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KittGe00.htm

Might be the insane amount of injuries last year and somehow getting significantly worse into this season that amplifies them. Only superstar that deserves the "injury prone" label is cmc.

Fred

Originally posted by irief:

Fair point on bringing up Purdy's year before he signed, but it helps understand his trajectory. Mediocre. NFL top 100 is only the opinion of NFL players, coaches and executives, but I guess they have no credibility compared to WZ posters. 🙂

Defensive ends and LBs don't really know how to evaluate the qb position. Hell, coaches scouts and gms have proven they don't know how to evaluate the position either. They've ranked Fields in the top 100 lol. They have Stroud top 50 this year lol. It's a joke