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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I disagree. Football players always hit the weights.

The game has simply moved from being a strength game to more of an agility and speed game. Players are faster and change direction better and more violently than ever and give more force in efforts on every play.

Human body isn't made to withstand such sudden movements. Hence the ligament injuries and soft tissue injuries that are often non contact injuries.

Players are generally more athletic than they were 30-50 years ago. Back in those days players took more vicious hits that would leave impact on their brain or their ribs etc. But they didn't move as fast or cut on a dime as well. Few exceptions of course, but they're exceptions like Barry Sanders dancing.

If you look across other sports, injuries are also a big thing. That's why load management is a thing in basketball. That's why Haliburton snapped his Achilles in game 7 and so did Tatum earlier. It's not just the NFL or football for that matter.

I didn't say they never hit the weight room. They certainly did, but it was nowhere near central to their preparation as it is today.

It's just that aspect in today's sports world - the weights, the training regimen, the advanced surgical, medicinal and nutritional programs, the off-season workouts, etc.- far and away supercedes the specific attention given to the sport itself.

In the end, it reduces the product severely.
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
I didn't say they never hit the weight room. They certainly did, but it was nowhere near central to their preparation as it is today.

It's just that aspect in today's sports world - the weights, the training regimen, the advanced surgical, medicinal and nutritional programs, the off-season workouts, etc.- far and away supercedes the specific attention given to the sport itself.

In the end, it reduces the product severely.
and I didnt say you said that....

your point is that theres less focus on the game itself - and I think the reason why is because they cant afford to get injured even before meaningful games start

this is a professional sport and a huge business, so teams will always want to have an edge over other teams. its not just bunch of guys getting together for a game in between smoking and drinking and banging chicks and winging it.

those advanced programs make athletes run faster, cut more suddenly and be more agile. all advances in medicine and tech do, and thats inevitable. if you compare athletes from 1940s to athletes in 1980s, the latter look like cyborgs comparatively. same with 1980s and 2020s

I dont think "focusing on the game" would somehow limit injuries. if youre out of shape and are slower and cant cut and cant get yards in space, someone else will just take your place.

as athletes and medicine advances get better and better, humans start pushing limits on what their bodies can do and many bodies cant do it without breaking down. but if you dont embrace it, you will be left in dust by competition.
[ Edited by the_dynasty on Oct 16, 2025 at 4:13 PM ]
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
It's not just a Niner thing....this is a league-wide problem, and yes....we are near the top of it. The players, when I started watching football, they were NFL players first, athletes second. Now, they are athletes first, who just so happen to play football. When you spend most of your time sculpting your body into a greek god, adding the muscle mass, the tendons and ligaments can't keep up so you get the onslaught of injuries you see in today's game. It's also why you see more dropped passes than ever before (even with the advanced gloves), more missed tackles, etc......the fundamentals of the actual sport itself gets worse by the year because they spend more time in the weight room than they do practicing the craft that are the basics of the sport itself.

It makes for a poor product on the field IMO.

This is a very interesting post, especially the bold. Makes one think about today's NFL player and their preparation/training to play the sport of football.

I agree with a lot of this. Many of the older athletes would too. No question the players are bigger and faster but the skill levels haven't improved. WR for example has a lot of guys playing now that are speed burners but not polished receivers. Look at the production numbers and the super fast guys generally aren't among the leaders in receptions.

The NFL has tried to cut down on injuries by adding new rules and limiting contact in practice. Pre seson is niw a complete joke. Starters barely play at all. None of these precautions have resulted in fewer injuries.
Originally posted by HearstFan:
Originally posted by HearstFan:
Originally posted by HearstFan:
Playing through Injuries:
Mac Jones - full participation in practice - (Knee and generally beat up lol)
Juan Jennings - limited, but seems likely for Atlanta (shoulder, ankle, ribs)
Dominic Puni - limited in practice (knee)
MyKel Williams - full participant in practice (thumb)
CJ West - full participation in practice (hand in cast,)
Khalia Davis - full practice participation (cast on broken hand)
Renardo Green - neck, limited in practice
Kevin Givens - limited in practice
Jordan James - no longer injured, healthy scratch from games
Returning projections from latest news:
Brock Purdy - limited practice, unlikely for Atlanta game, maybe week 9.
George Kittle - returned to practice, looks probable for week 8 Atlanta game.
Jordan Watkins - limited in practice this week. Not probable for Atlanta game.
Ricky Pearsall - not participating in practice yet, likely week 9. (knee)
Yetur Gross Matos - not participating in practice (knee & hamstring)
Ben Bartch - high ankle sprain - not of IR list yet
Marquz Valdes-Scantling - did not practice (calf)
Brandon Aiuyk - not off PUP, KS hinted week 10 possibility

Unknown projection:
Jacob Cowing -- still on IR from hamstring injury
Spencer Burford - still on IR
Robert Beal - Moved to Practice Squad, but may still be working back from ankle injury

Out for the season:
Nick Bosa- IR
Fred Warner - IR
Patrick Taylor - Season ending IR from shoulder injury that required surgery.

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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by genus49:
Posting this in here to hopefully break our curse...


Had my hopes up, but its only for the rest of this season...

She said if it works she'll pay for it for next season 🤞
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
and I didnt say you said that....

your point is that theres less focus on the game itself - and I think the reason why is because they cant afford to get injured even before meaningful games start

this is a professional sport and a huge business, so teams will always want to have an edge over other teams. its not just bunch of guys getting together for a game in between smoking and drinking and banging chicks and winging it.

those advanced programs make athletes run faster, cut more suddenly and be more agile. all advances in medicine and tech do, and thats inevitable. if you compare athletes from 1940s to athletes in 1980s, the latter look like cyborgs comparatively. same with 1980s and 2020s

I dont think "focusing on the game" would somehow limit injuries. if youre out of shape and are slower and cant cut and cant get yards in space, someone else will just take your place.

as athletes and medicine advances get better and better, humans start pushing limits on what their bodies can do and many bodies cant do it without breaking down. but if you dont embrace it, you will be left in dust by competition.

I guess I don't understand your argument because you're not disproving anything I've stated. If anything, you've validated it.

I get all that stuff about the increased athleticism and training and whatnot...my point is that it has come at a cost. The 'bigger, faster, stronger' mantra leads to an overwhelming amount of injuries, which clearly impacts the product in a negative way.

It's also irrelevant with regards to how the athleticism of today dwarfs that of decades ago, because nobody 40 years ago said anything about how 'smaller, slower, weaker' the players are in comparison to how they will be in 2025. Those players were every bit as athletic in comparison to their era as the players are in today's game.

The difference is, the players then were better at their craft, because they spent more of an emphasis on honing that craft AND spent more time on the field to entertain fans instead of being away from the game for weeks, months and sometimes years in rehabbbing injuries.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I agree with a lot of this. Many of the older athletes would too. No question the players are bigger and faster but the skill levels haven't improved. WR for example has a lot of guys playing now that are speed burners but not polished receivers. Look at the production numbers and the super fast guys generally aren't among the leaders in receptions.

The NFL has tried to cut down on injuries by adding new rules and limiting contact in practice. Pre seson is niw a complete joke. Starters barely play at all. None of these precautions have resulted in fewer injuries.

There will be no way you will reduce injuries at this point because the players just keep building up muscle mass. The only way now, I believe, is if the science of recovery catches up. The ACL tear used to be a career ender for most 40 years ago for most, but the fact is, the injury was generally a rare one....especially compared to today. The science is there to repair the damage, and the player returns the following year. To me, it's not good enough.....it's got to be where if a player gets hurt, he has the surgery and is back on the field in a matter of a few weeks at most.

It was 30 years ago that Rod Woodson tore his ACL in the first game, and returned that same year in the Super Bowl for the Steelers. That was an incredible achievement. Two years later, Jerry Rice did the same thing and returned later in the year on a Monday Nighter against the Broncos, only to break his knee cap or something and was lost for the remainder of 1997. It was still an incredible comeback....but those two guys were genetic type freaks. It's 30 years later, and those two are still somewhat the standard - I guess Adrian Peterson coming back with a 2000 yard season is notable - but really....nothing much has changed. You tear that ligament, we'll see you in a year.
I just read what Kittle had to say about his injury this year. He says it was a complete tear. He's going to try and play this week but I'm wondering if that's a good idea. The violent way he plays makes reinjury more likely. Maybe it's better to wait a couple more weeks.
[ Edited by CatchMaster80 on Oct 17, 2025 at 7:42 AM ]
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Jacob Cowing has been out forever. Got rid of Drake Jackson because he could not stay healthy maybe they should look into Cowing also.
[ Edited by bud49 on Oct 17, 2025 at 5:01 PM ]
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Sat Oct 18 injury report:

George Kittle, Jordan Watkins and Kevin Givens will be active. Pearsall and Purdy are out. Green and Stout are questionable.

STARTERS Out
Renardo Green ?
Upton Stout ?
Ricky Pearsall
Brock Purdy
Yetur Gross Matos
Ben Bartch- PUP
Brandon Aiuyk- PUP
Nick Bosa- IR
Fred Warner- IR

BACKUPS Out:
Jacob Cowing
Spencer Burford
Jordan James
10/20/25

Newest Injuries:
Jake Brendal - hamstring, likely out a couple of weeks
Renardo Green - toe injury

Playing through Injuries:
Mac Jones - lingering knee, but better
Juan Jennings - lingering injuries, but better
Kevin Givens - returned to DL rotation against Atlanta
(Jordan James - healthy scratch from Atlanta game)
(Jordan Watkins - healthy scratch from Atlanta game)

Returning projections from latest news:
Brock Purdy - limited in practice, possible of Texans, but doesn't seem likely
Ricky Pearsall - possible return week 9 against Texans
Yetur Gross Matos - hamstring, not returned to practice yet
Khalia Davis - Broken hand -- out at least a week, then if playing it's with a cast.
Ben Bartch - high ankle sprain, already out 3 weeks, no word
Brandon Aiuyk - KS hinted week 10 possibility

Unknown projection:
Jacob Cowing -- hamstring since beginning of season, hasn't returned to practice yet
Spencer Burford - ??
Robert Beal - moved to practice squad
Patrick Taylor - ??

Out for the season:
Nick Bosa- IR
Fred Warner - IR
The entire medical staff and strength and conditioning team need to be let go in the offseason. I have been saying this. And I dont even care if this would be fair firings or scapegoating. I dont care. Enough is enough. Fire them all.
Originally posted by HearstFan:
10/20/25

Newest Injuries:
Jake Brendal - hamstring, likely out a couple of weeks
Renardo Green - toe injury

Playing through Injuries:
Mac Jones - lingering knee, but better
Juan Jennings - lingering injuries, but better
Kevin Givens - returned to DL rotation against Atlanta
(Jordan James - healthy scratch from Atlanta game)
(Jordan Watkins - healthy scratch from Atlanta game)

Returning projections from latest news:
Brock Purdy - limited in practice, possible of Texans, but doesn't seem likely
Ricky Pearsall - possible return week 9 against Texans
Yetur Gross Matos - hamstring, not returned to practice yet
Khalia Davis - Broken hand -- out at least a week, then if playing it's with a cast.
Ben Bartch - high ankle sprain, already out 3 weeks, no word
Brandon Aiuyk - KS hinted week 10 possibility

Unknown projection:
Jacob Cowing -- hamstring since beginning of season, hasn't returned to practice yet
Spencer Burford - ??
Robert Beal - moved to practice squad
Patrick Taylor - ??

Out for the season:
Nick Bosa- IR
Fred Warner - IR

Add Bryce Huff to the list now.
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