49ers select Jordan Watkins-WR-Ole Miss with the 138th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Injuries are injuries, but if you can't stay healthy nothing else matters. There are tons of talented players throughout history who never became anything because they couldn't stay healthy. Whether you want to blame it on bad luck, bad training, bad nutrition, whatever, that's all part of it.

Again, likely another wasted pick based on what we've seen so far

And you can literally say that for every single team every single yr with draft picks, especially on day 3

I don't understand being upset over this? Sometimes you hit the lottery and get a Kittle or Puka with those day 3 picks…that's clearly not the norm or something that should be realistic

It's not about this particular player, it's about the increasing number of draft picks this FO has whiffed on.

If you get into the wasted picks situation I don't think it will go as well for your anti 49ers agenda. Regardless of some of those wasted picks, they're still one of the better drafting teams in the NFL since Shanahan/Lynch took over the team.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Injuries are injuries, but if you can't stay healthy nothing else matters. There are tons of talented players throughout history who never became anything because they couldn't stay healthy. Whether you want to blame it on bad luck, bad training, bad nutrition, whatever, that's all part of it.

Again, likely another wasted pick based on what we've seen so far

And you can literally say that for every single team every single yr with draft picks, especially on day 3

I don't understand being upset over this? Sometimes you hit the lottery and get a Kittle or Puka with those day 3 picks…that's clearly not the norm or something that should be realistic

It's not about this particular player, it's about the increasing number of draft picks this FO has whiffed on.

If you get into the wasted picks situation I don't think it will go as well for your anti 49ers agenda. Regardless of some of those wasted picks, they're still one of the better drafting teams in the NFL since Shanahan/Lynch took over the team.

Some fans just seem to think that every pick should be a valuable asset and the 49ers are the only teamthat misses on some of theirs. The hit rate for first round picks is about 50%. Less when you look at all 7 rounds.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Injuries are injuries, but if you can't stay healthy nothing else matters. There are tons of talented players throughout history who never became anything because they couldn't stay healthy. Whether you want to blame it on bad luck, bad training, bad nutrition, whatever, that's all part of it.

Again, likely another wasted pick based on what we've seen so far

And you can literally say that for every single team every single yr with draft picks, especially on day 3

I don't understand being upset over this? Sometimes you hit the lottery and get a Kittle or Puka with those day 3 picks…that's clearly not the norm or something that should be realistic

It's not about this particular player, it's about the increasing number of draft picks this FO has whiffed on.

If you get into the wasted picks situation I don't think it will go as well for your anti 49ers agenda. Regardless of some of those wasted picks, they're still one of the better drafting teams in the NFL since Shanahan/Lynch took over the team.

I honestly, but respectfully, doubt it. They had a few good drafts during their first years (and thought they could squeeze a few more years out of the same aging roster) but have been dismal ever since.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Injuries are injuries, but if you can't stay healthy nothing else matters. There are tons of talented players throughout history who never became anything because they couldn't stay healthy. Whether you want to blame it on bad luck, bad training, bad nutrition, whatever, that's all part of it.

Again, likely another wasted pick based on what we've seen so far

And you can literally say that for every single team every single yr with draft picks, especially on day 3

I don't understand being upset over this? Sometimes you hit the lottery and get a Kittle or Puka with those day 3 picks…that's clearly not the norm or something that should be realistic

It's not about this particular player, it's about the increasing number of draft picks this FO has whiffed on.

If you get into the wasted picks situation I don't think it will go as well for your anti 49ers agenda. Regardless of some of those wasted picks, they're still one of the better drafting teams in the NFL since Shanahan/Lynch took over the team.

I honestly, but respectfully, doubt it. They had a few good drafts during their first years (and thought they could squeeze a few more years out of the same aging roster) but have been dismal ever since.

I believe the 49ers are tied with the Ravens for most All Pro players selected since Shanahan took over. That doesn't even include Trent and CMC - guys they've traded for.

We clearly have some big misses - Lance, Sermon, TDP, Pettis, Drake Jackson, etc but that's the case for the majority of the NFL. It just looks worse now because we missed the Lance pick and it cost us all those extra top picks to add to the team.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Injuries are injuries, but if you can't stay healthy nothing else matters. There are tons of talented players throughout history who never became anything because they couldn't stay healthy. Whether you want to blame it on bad luck, bad training, bad nutrition, whatever, that's all part of it.

Again, likely another wasted pick based on what we've seen so far

And you can literally say that for every single team every single yr with draft picks, especially on day 3

I don't understand being upset over this? Sometimes you hit the lottery and get a Kittle or Puka with those day 3 picks…that's clearly not the norm or something that should be realistic

It's not about this particular player, it's about the increasing number of draft picks this FO has whiffed on.

If you get into the wasted picks situation I don't think it will go as well for your anti 49ers agenda. Regardless of some of those wasted picks, they're still one of the better drafting teams in the NFL since Shanahan/Lynch took over the team.

I honestly, but respectfully, doubt it. They had a few good drafts during their first years (and thought they could squeeze a few more years out of the same aging roster) but have been dismal ever since.

I believe the 49ers are tied with the Ravens for most All Pro players selected since Shanahan took over. That doesn't even include Trent and CMC - guys they've traded for.

We clearly have some big misses - Lance, Sermon, TDP, Pettis, Drake Jackson, etc but that's the case for the majority of the NFL. It just looks worse now because we missed the Lance pick and it cost us all those extra top picks to add to the team.

But what good is in having drafted multiple All-Pro players if, when they get old or injured, you don't really have a viable option to replace them?

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Injuries are injuries, but if you can't stay healthy nothing else matters. There are tons of talented players throughout history who never became anything because they couldn't stay healthy. Whether you want to blame it on bad luck, bad training, bad nutrition, whatever, that's all part of it.

Again, likely another wasted pick based on what we've seen so far

And you can literally say that for every single team every single yr with draft picks, especially on day 3

I don't understand being upset over this? Sometimes you hit the lottery and get a Kittle or Puka with those day 3 picks…that's clearly not the norm or something that should be realistic

It's not about this particular player, it's about the increasing number of draft picks this FO has whiffed on.

Just curious how do you think other teams draft? You do know the majority of all draft picks end up being below average right?

Originally posted by Koldo:
But what good is in having drafted multiple All-Pro players if, when they get old or injured, you don't really have a viable option to replace them?

This is kind of ridiculous to say. You are expecting a team to not only have a viable option at every position but also a viable option on the bench at every position.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Koldo:
But what good is in having drafted multiple All-Pro players if, when they get old or injured, you don't really have a viable option to replace them?

This is kind of ridiculous to say. You are expecting a team to not only have a viable option at every position but also a viable option on the bench at every position.

My point is if you miss on so many picks (like ShanaLynch have) you won't have a viable option to eventually replace your star aging players.

Wrong thread

while Im not ready to give up on Watkins yet, this side discussion over Niners bad picks...

Niners havent picked well in the top rounds lately, at all. That's a fact and this is the reason why most stars on this roster are old.
After 2019, picks made in the third round or above have not been good. And not even in serviceable but unspectacular starter type of way, most of these guys cant even get playing time in the league. The Danny Grays, TDPs, Latus, Drake Jacksons, Trey Sermons...and of course Lances

then there are guys who directly cost or continue to cost Niners games last couple of years, ie Moodys and J Browns...

Id say only Aiyuk turned out to be a player who is actually very good and outperformed his draft slot.

come to think about, over last five years (and soon to be six years) they only had two players from the draft make the pro bowl, one was the last pick in the draft we all know, the other is no longer on this team. if none of them do again (to be fair the 2024 draft is largely TBD) that would be the longest such stretch in Niner history.

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
while Im not ready to give up on Watkins yet, this side discussion over Niners bad picks...

Niners havent picked well in the top rounds lately, at all. That's a fact and this is the reason why most stars on this roster are old.
After 2019, picks made in the third round or above have not been good. And not even in serviceable but unspectacular starter type of way, most of these guys cant even get playing time in the league. The Danny Grays, TDPs, Latus, Drake Jacksons, Trey Sermons...and of course Lances

then there are guys who directly cost or continue to cost Niners games last couple of years, ie Moodys and J Browns...

Id say only Aiyuk turned out to be a player who is actually very good and outperformed his draft slot.

come to think about, over last five years (and soon to be six years) they only had two players from the draft make the pro bowl, one was the last pick in the draft we all know, the other is no longer on this team. if none of them do again (to be fair the 2024 draft is largely TBD) that would be the longest such stretch in Niner history.

This is party my fault for responding to a gripe about our draft picks in here. I'd like to continue this conversation but do want to steer it back to Watkins. Are you good if we move this to the Lynch thread?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by miked1978:
You guys are brutal. Rookies don't even get one game to prove themselves. I blame it on high estrogen.

Oh I didn't expect him to set the world on fire. Catching a wide open lollipop that's hits you in the hands on a crucial 3rd down isn't too much to ask. Texans were starting no names off the street, including rookies taken around same area as Watkins, and they managed to catch open passes.

I would love to be wrong, but my expectation is that Watkins will play a few snaps a game, do nothing of note, have a "great mini camp" next year, and then just repeat the same thing until he's released a couple years from now

Did you hear the announcers say that both Texan rookies struggled at first too and they were just now getting their confidence going? Rookies struggle and this was Watkins first game of his career but some reason we are bashing him for missing his first pass.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Koldo:
But what good is in having drafted multiple All-Pro players if, when they get old or injured, you don't really have a viable option to replace them?

This is kind of ridiculous to say. You are expecting a team to not only have a viable option at every position but also a viable option on the bench at every position.

Might be one of the most dumb comments he's ever posted and that says a lot

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Koldo:
But what good is in having drafted multiple All-Pro players if, when they get old or injured, you don't really have a viable option to replace them?

This is kind of ridiculous to say. You are expecting a team to not only have a viable option at every position but also a viable option on the bench at every position.

Might be one of the most dumb comments he's ever posted and that says a lot

Dumb? Which comment are you referring to?

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by miked1978:
You guys are brutal. Rookies don't even get one game to prove themselves. I blame it on high estrogen.

Oh I didn't expect him to set the world on fire. Catching a wide open lollipop that's hits you in the hands on a crucial 3rd down isn't too much to ask. Texans were starting no names off the street, including rookies taken around same area as Watkins, and they managed to catch open passes.

I would love to be wrong, but my expectation is that Watkins will play a few snaps a game, do nothing of note, have a "great mini camp" next year, and then just repeat the same thing until he's released a couple years from now

Did you hear the announcers say that both Texan rookies struggled at first too and they were just now getting their confidence going? Rookies struggle and this was Watkins first game of his career but some reason we are bashing him for missing his first pass.

Jayden Higgins was the 34th overall selection by Houston and has 155 yards on the season. He's played in every game.

Do we think Houston fans are calling him a bust?

Well maybe some of them...

Overall so far outside of Egbuka this WR class has been wildly under performing.