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May 5, 2025 at 7:04 PM
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Just for reference. Nfl network had Greenlaw as a 7th rounder or priority FA. Graded as a back or special teamer. The knock on him according to them was his lack of willful aggression. Would only make a living cleaning up tackles. Just shows how little the so called experts really know.

Exactly. If you think about how many prospects there are and how long it would take one "expert" to review film on every single prospect - it's ridiculous and they don't do it. That's why organizations HAVE AN ENTIRE STAFF THAT DO IT YEAR AROUND. lol

a lot of "professionals" or "experts" are nothing more than talking heads who know the top players but nothing else.
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May 5, 2025 at 9:19 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Just for reference. Nfl network had Greenlaw as a 7th rounder or priority FA. Graded as a back or special teamer. The knock on him according to them was his lack of willful aggression. Would only make a living cleaning up tackles. Just shows how little the so called experts really know.

Exactly. If you think about how many prospects there are and how long it would take one "expert" to review film on every single prospect - it's ridiculous and they don't do it. That's why organizations HAVE AN ENTIRE STAFF THAT DO IT YEAR AROUND. lol

a lot of "professionals" or "experts" are nothing more than talking heads who know the top players but nothing else.

You see it all the time where these clowns parrot the same information about mid-late round prospects that they clearly didn't scout
May 6, 2025 at 4:01 PM
May 7, 2025 at 8:15 AM
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Literally nobody has any idea how any of these guys will work out. It's always so strange to see people cling to "consensus boards" as if they are any better at this than anybody else. The consensus boards majority whiff every year just like teams do.

The only thing going by consensus buys you is four months of not being flamed online by internet draft pundits.
May 7, 2025 at 8:19 AM
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
MM thinks he will beat out Dee Winters for the starting spot.

I think there is going to be more of a LB rotation this year around Fred ... nobody on the roster is near ready to run the defense if Fred isn't on the field.
May 7, 2025 at 8:21 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:

Wasn't Krueger hating on this pick when it was made?
May 7, 2025 at 8:22 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Exactly. If you think about how many prospects there are and how long it would take one "expert" to review film on every single prospect - it's ridiculous and they don't do it. That's why organizations HAVE AN ENTIRE STAFF THAT DO IT YEAR AROUND. lol

a lot of "professionals" or "experts" are nothing more than talking heads who know the top players but nothing else.

To me the way I look at it is like this:

If an "expert" has a player fall well past where they "projected" them to land, then why should we ever assume they are right when a player goes before they said?

If they are ever wrong one way, which we can KNOW, then we should assume they are also wrong the other way that we generally can't know.
May 7, 2025 at 8:26 AM
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Just for reference. Nfl network had Greenlaw as a 7th rounder or priority FA. Graded as a back or special teamer. The knock on him according to them was his lack of willful aggression. Would only make a living cleaning up tackles. Just shows how little the so called experts really know.

Exactly. If you think about how many prospects there are and how long it would take one "expert" to review film on every single prospect - it's ridiculous and they don't do it. That's why organizations HAVE AN ENTIRE STAFF THAT DO IT YEAR AROUND. lol

a lot of "professionals" or "experts" are nothing more than talking heads who know the top players but nothing else.

You see it all the time where these clowns parrot the same information about mid-late round prospects that they clearly didn't scout

You'll also see posters here beat a dead horse and say how this was reach which proof shows probably not with so many linebackers taken in the next couple rounds.
May 7, 2025 at 8:49 AM
Originally posted by Scoots:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Exactly. If you think about how many prospects there are and how long it would take one "expert" to review film on every single prospect - it's ridiculous and they don't do it. That's why organizations HAVE AN ENTIRE STAFF THAT DO IT YEAR AROUND. lol

a lot of "professionals" or "experts" are nothing more than talking heads who know the top players but nothing else.

To me the way I look at it is like this:

If an "expert" has a player fall well past where they "projected" them to land, then why should we ever assume they are right when a player goes before they said?

If they are ever wrong one way, which we can KNOW, then we should assume they are also wrong the other way that we generally can't know.

It all depends on the subjective nature of what particular smell of b******t an individual likes.
May 7, 2025 at 8:51 AM
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Wasn't Krueger hating on this pick when it was made?

Pretty sure that dude hated every single pick except CJ West.

It's funny when I hear him critique players and refer to their PFF grade or stats as the basis for his evals. I'm thinking bro, didn't you say you were a scout? f**k the stats and the grades, and watch the f**king tape.
[ Edited by Heroism on May 7, 2025 at 9:00 AM ]
May 7, 2025 at 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Wasn't Krueger hating on this pick when it was made?

Pretty sure that dude hated every single pick except CJ West.

It's funny when I hear him critique players and refer to their PFF grade or stats as the basis for his evals. I'm thinking bro, didn't you say you were a scout? f**k the stats and the grades, and watch the f**king tape.

That's weird. Krueger was very high on Nick Martin both before the draft and after the pick. He was also high on the WR from Ole Miss before and after the draft. He didn't love the QB pick or the punt returner. Not so high on Collins or Williams but gets the pics.
May 8, 2025 at 8:03 PM
May 12, 2025 at 8:48 AM
Field Yates from ESPN predicts him to be the 5th most impactful rookie on defense...then says he weighs 197 pounds.
May 12, 2025 at 9:11 AM
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Wasn't Krueger hating on this pick when it was made?

Pretty sure that dude hated every single pick except CJ West.

It's funny when I hear him critique players and refer to their PFF grade or stats as the basis for his evals. I'm thinking bro, didn't you say you were a scout? f**k the stats and the grades, and watch the f**king tape.

Krueger has some interesting takes at times but he loved the Nick Martin pick.
May 12, 2025 at 9:20 AM
Originally posted by Murphys1:
Field Yates from ESPN predicts him to be the 5th most impactful rookie on defense...then says he weighs 197 pounds.

Where'd he get that from? Martin has consistently weighed in between 220 and 225.
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