49ERS vs RAVENS Pregame Thread - 2023 Season Week 16

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Niners only 3 times this season have given up 100+ yards rushing and one of those was without our top 2 DT's. And they have yet to give up 100 yards rushing to any RB. But apparently they have a bad run defense. Some are just trying to grasp at straws to find some flaw because it seems like this team is too good to be true.

The problem is run defense in 3rd & short. We have been pretty bad in those situations.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just rewatched the first half of the Rams vs Ravens game and McVay's offense was torching the Raven defense with McVay's 8th ranked offense. Imagine what Kyle can do with his 2nd ranked offense! I thought the Ravens had a top of the line run defense, but Rams Kyren Williams had 25 carries for 114 yards against that defense and was getting 5 and 10 yard gashes against that supposedly strong Raven run defense in the first half. I can see McCaffrey just destroying that run defense. Rams ran 9 straight run plays to open the game and drove to the Raven's 10 yard line.

Not impressed with Lamar's QB skills. When he was contained and couldn't run - he threw a pick and was generally inaccurate and misfired a lot. When he got out of the pocket, a la Jalen Hurts, he was deadly. Lamar, however, is really hard to bring down. Aaron Donald had him in his hands twice and was strong enough to throw the pass despite being grabbed and generally tackled. Rams were ahead 20 to 17 at the end of the first half. I can only imagine what the 49er offense will do to that supposed Raven defense.

The Rams defense generally held up well against the Raven offense. Keaton Mitchell is going to be a big loss to the Ravens, he reminds me of Deebo. He's a running back, but he's a jigger bug and can do a lot of YAC's, and reminds me of Mark Ingram. Small but very hard to tackle and bring down.

McVay destroyed them with inside zone and crossing routes.

CROSSING ROUTES - was about to post that til I read what you posted... this is exactly how to slow them out.. we need to use all our TEs in this game and attack them that way..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just rewatched the first half of the Rams vs Ravens game and McVay's offense was torching the Raven defense with McVay's 8th ranked offense. Imagine what Kyle can do with his 2nd ranked offense! I thought the Ravens had a top of the line run defense, but Rams Kyren Williams had 25 carries for 114 yards against that defense and was getting 5 and 10 yard gashes against that supposedly strong Raven run defense in the first half. I can see McCaffrey just destroying that run defense. Rams ran 9 straight run plays to open the game and drove to the Raven's 10 yard line.

Not impressed with Lamar's QB skills. When he was contained and couldn't run - he threw a pick and was generally inaccurate and misfired a lot. When he got out of the pocket, a la Jalen Hurts, he was deadly. Lamar, however, is really hard to bring down. Aaron Donald had him in his hands twice and was strong enough to throw the pass despite being grabbed and generally tackled. Rams were ahead 20 to 17 at the end of the first half. I can only imagine what the 49er offense will do to that supposed Raven defense.

The Rams defense generally held up well against the Raven offense. Keaton Mitchell is going to be a big loss to the Ravens, he reminds me of Deebo. He's a running back, but he's a jigger bug and can do a lot of YAC's, and reminds me of Mark Ingram. Small but very hard to tackle and bring down.

DIFF match up... u should NEVER compare this team vs that team and its result.. this ZONE should know by now..

I remember sweeping the LAMBS... then we get torched in the NFCCG..

speaking of the Lambs, they are playing so well right now because they're off everyone's radar..

I was watching the plays that McVay runs that Kyle also runs (Naked Boots) and misdirection versus the Raven's defensive scheme. The Ravens run a 3-4 multiple front blitz scheme and they do try to do the Belichick coverage disguises, but Stafford Torched that defense time and time again when they tried to disguise the blitz. Brock is better than Stafford in reading those disguised coverage zone blitzes, in my opinion. The Raven's defense seemed to not be able to handle the motions and misdirection's. Pickachu Nacua and Cooper Cup came open time and time again with the various motions McVay called.

Lamar is a taller Russel Wilson, in a sense, and the 49ers have had problems with Russel and other mobile QB's. I think Wilk's coverage over Rush will work on Lamar, *but* Lamar really is hard to contain let alone bring down. I was really shocked that the Raven's run defense couldn't stop the Ram's run offense.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Just rewatched the first half of the Rams vs Ravens game and McVay's offense was torching the Raven defense with McVay's 8th ranked offense. Imagine what Kyle can do with his 2nd ranked offense! I thought the Ravens had a top of the line run defense, but Rams Kyren Williams had 25 carries for 114 yards against that defense and was getting 5 and 10 yard gashes against that supposedly strong Raven run defense in the first half. I can see McCaffrey just destroying that run defense. Rams ran 9 straight run plays to open the game and drove to the Raven's 10 yard line.

Not impressed with Lamar's QB skills. When he was contained and couldn't run - he threw a pick and was generally inaccurate and misfired a lot. When he got out of the pocket, a la Jalen Hurts, he was deadly. Lamar, however, is really hard to bring down. Aaron Donald had him in his hands twice and was strong enough to throw the pass despite being grabbed and generally tackled. Rams were ahead 20 to 17 at the end of the first half. I can only imagine what the 49er offense will do to that supposed Raven defense.

The Rams defense generally held up well against the Raven offense. Keaton Mitchell is going to be a big loss to the Ravens, he reminds me of Deebo. He's a running back, but he's a jigger bug and can do a lot of YAC's, and reminds me of Mark Ingram. Small but very hard to tackle and bring down.

I just watched the rams/ravens as well and came away feeling more confident, also keep in mind the ravens were at home and still had trouble.

Niners are gonna ball out on prime time.

Agree, and they will have much more trouble with Bosa and Chase versus only one guy in Aaron Donald. Our defense goes against the 49er offense in practice and so the various motions the Ravens do (and they don't do too much of that) won't confuse them the way Kyle's motions will confuse their defense. Rams defense was able to contain the Raven's supposed top of the line run game. I was surprised by that. Rams' run defense is statistically mediocre.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
McVay destroyed them with inside zone and crossing routes.

Yeah, the Rams didn't seem to have any real problems passing on that Ravens defense. I am still shocked that the Raven's run defense was a lot weaker than I thought, specially against McVay's Rams.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Niners only 3 times this season have given up 100+ yards rushing and one of those was without our top 2 DT's. And they have yet to give up 100 yards rushing to any RB. But apparently they have a bad run defense. Some are just trying to grasp at straws to find some flaw because it seems like this team is too good to be true.

The problem is run defense in 3rd & short. We have been pretty bad in those situations.

I think it's more scheme than personnel. The Wide 9 is horrible, in my opinion, against short yardage runs.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Niners only 3 times this season have given up 100+ yards rushing and one of those was without our top 2 DT's. And they have yet to give up 100 yards rushing to any RB. But apparently they have a bad run defense. Some are just trying to grasp at straws to find some flaw because it seems like this team is too good to be true.

The problem is run defense in 3rd & short. We have been pretty bad in those situations.

I think it's more scheme than personnel. The Wide 9 is horrible, in my opinion, against short yardage runs.

I nerver really thought of that, yes the wide nine is great for containment and pass rush but leaves larger gaps which for a up the middle run team. Even running off tackle to the flat is an issue if the edges get to far forward, leaves the corner out to be one on one with a single blocker.

Need to hit Lamar as hard as possible early in the game to discourage the runs. I'm fine with Greenlaw slamming Jackson to the ground early even if results in 15 yards. If hes banged up early, he will try to throw from the pocket and will eventually fail.

Purdy should tear up the Ravens defense as long as Oline doesn't s**t the bed and skill players stay healthy. They have a good LB so just need to be careful on throws over the middle.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Ravens saying they feel disrespected by not being favorites on the road on primetime . Delusional

Just another overrated team to run over

All the "primetime" or "big" games this year the 49ers have come out and just imposed their will on to the other team and shown the other team doesn't belong on the field with them. I don't expect anything different this time around. I feel this team know whats at stake this year and is on a mission.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Need to hit Lamar as hard as possible early in the game to discourage the runs. I'm fine with Greenlaw slamming Jackson to the ground early even if results in 15 yards. If hes banged up early, he will try to throw from the pocket and will eventually fail.

Purdy should tear up the Ravens defense as long as Oline doesn't s**t the bed and skill players stay healthy. They have a good LB so just need to be careful on throws over the middle.

A 15 yard penalty is worth it, agreed, set the tone early and have him second guess running. They have two good LBs, Roquan and Queen, second best duo in the NFL IMO.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
All the "primetime" or "big" games this year the 49ers have come out and just imposed their will on to the other team and shown the other team doesn't belong on the field with them. I don't expect anything different this time around. I feel this team know whats at stake this year and is on a mission.

I would add the caveat of all the primetime or big games when "healthy" this year the 49ers have come out and just imposed their will. Really hoping Hargrave and/or Armstead are heathy enough to play. I would rather lock up the #1 seed in week 17 rather than week 18.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Need to hit Lamar as hard as possible early in the game to discourage the runs. I'm fine with Greenlaw slamming Jackson to the ground early even if results in 15 yards. If hes banged up early, he will try to throw from the pocket and will eventually fail.

Purdy should tear up the Ravens defense as long as Oline doesn't s**t the bed and skill players stay healthy. They have a good LB so just need to be careful on throws over the middle.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Need to hit Lamar as hard as possible early in the game to discourage the runs. I'm fine with Greenlaw slamming Jackson to the ground early even if results in 15 yards. If hes banged up early, he will try to throw from the pocket and will eventually fail.

Purdy should tear up the Ravens defense as long as Oline doesn't s**t the bed and skill players stay healthy. They have a good LB so just need to be careful on throws over the middle.

A 15 yard penalty is worth it, agreed, set the tone early and have him second guess running. They have two good LBs, Roquan and Queen, second best duo in the NFL IMO.

So there are others who think like i do....appreciate the way Dre plays!

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Niners only 3 times this season have given up 100+ yards rushing and one of those was without our top 2 DT's. And they have yet to give up 100 yards rushing to any RB. But apparently they have a bad run defense. Some are just trying to grasp at straws to find some flaw because it seems like this team is too good to be true.

The problem is run defense in 3rd & short. We have been pretty bad in those situations.

I think it's more scheme than personnel. The Wide 9 is horrible, in my opinion, against short yardage runs.

I nerver really thought of that, yes the wide nine is great for containment and pass rush but leaves larger gaps which for a up the middle run team. Even running off tackle to the flat is an issue if the edges get to far forward, leaves the corner out to be one on one with a single blocker.

i think we have a plan of getting to the lead then play in wide 9 which essentially lets them run.

It would be interesting to see a stat of how the run game operates against us when we have a lead vs when we don't. I have noticed this in a lot of games where once we have a 2 score lead our D loosens up a bit and we keep everything in front of us kind of forcing them to run out the clock for us not allowing big plays

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
When are the 49ers gonna learn that they need some beef upfront!!! I like Kevin Givens but he gets bulldozed in the run game. Same with Kinlaw, then again he's playing better vs the run and pass but still wildly inconsistent. IMO

I really wish they got Suh, sure he's old but he's still good in rotation. Hopefully the 49ers aren't done adding DT's.

49ers need health more than beef. They were just fine with their starters until they started getting dinged. 49ers like gap penetrating DLinemen vs gigantic two gapping tree stump kind of guys, so the typical 49er DLineman is on the smaller side.

Yes we are good with the two starters, but I'm think more along the lines of depth. DJ Jones was a solid player on the 49ers D-line 6'1" 320, pretty much the best run stopper the 9ers had on the D-line. I'm not saying they need to go out and sign a blob, just someone who adds beef to the DL and plays low or with better leverage. Akiem Hicks is out there who I wish they gave a shot. Stallworth looks the part but he's coming off IR.

Yeah, I don't get why they released DJ Jones, to tell you the truth vs signing him to a longer contract. DJ JOne's salary is comparable to Hargraves salary. Hargrave does have more sacks than DJ Jones though. The new guy - Taylor Stallworth - looks more like a Javon Hargrave clone than a DJ Jones clone though. We shall see how he holds up on the run defense.

DJ Jones wasn't released. He left in free agency and he makes about half of what Hargrave makes. He also was a 2 down player with us. I love DJ Jones, but would rather keep drafting run stuffers on rookie deals and pay the 3 down guys the big bucks. Their issue is not having anyone ready to replace him.