Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Created a thread for this so that the Danny Gray thread doesn't continue this conversation.
Someone said that there has been ZERO indication of our offense changing because Shanny built this team exactly how he wants it and I guess the presumption is we will see more of the same with Lance under center vice Jimmy. I disagree. I think the biggest trade in franchise history for Lance himself IS indication that not only does Shanny want a change but will in fact field a different offense then we've seen since his tenure. I think it will and always will be run first/dominant but with the added element of Trey for 11 on 11 football, Jimmy can't and hasn't done that. I think we will see more of the field used, in particular more deep shots and passes outside the numbers. I won't predict pass attempts as was asked in the other thread because IMO that is decided game to game and the scoreboard/defense plays a part in that; but gun to my head I actually think we won't have to pass as much (attempts) due to our run game being better and the deep shots hit or even missed to keep defenses honest. Jimmy hardly even did that. I do expect more pass interference calls then we ever had with Jimmy to go up for that alone. I don't expect all this in essentially Treys rookie season or first as a starter, but I know how it is here and Treys first year will be compared to Jimmy's entire time. Whatever; end of day I think we will see a different offense and we will see that this year granted Trey is the starter
I think eventually it will be more pass-centric offense, again depends on Trey's development. Until then - it will resemble a Bo Shembechkler offense for the most part.
Even if not "pass centric," to 808's reference of ATL, you can still be explosive within limited passing attempts. That offense only passed about 30-40 more times than we normally do but put up nearly 5K of offense and had an excellent running game too. I doubt we get to that level because I think that kind of explosive offense could wear out it's own defense over 17 games so I'd still anticipate more controlled passing and clock management for a better team balance. But yeah, if he can win primarily being run centric, why not!?! It keeps the other top QB's on the bench and our defense fresh and the big boys and Arby's happy imposing their will.
Well, I think, overall - as you said in the other thread - Kyle wants a balanced offense. A good run game helps a good passing game. So, Kyle's style of play will match the opponent and change on a weekly basis based on the kind of defenses Kyle is facing. Big difference between Jimmy and Trey is the arm and the mobility. So to the arm - I can see the offense being more vertical and more outside the hash marks. That's, I think, a no brainer. As for the mobility, that was essential in Walsh's pass first offense. He did bring in Steve Young who was much more mobile vs Joe, for example. A pass catching running back is essential in a pass first offense - it really helps that third down and short conversion. (pass to the RB vs handing it off to the RB). So Sermon's and TDP's development as receivers will be key here too. I think Sermon is already a wonderful pass catching back. He just needs to stop dancing around the hole. Now Gray's speed speaks more to a vertical offense - air Coryell for example. Keep in mind Air Coryell has a strong run component also (example: Chuck Muncie) One evolution past Air Coryell was the one back formation (us ancient fossils should remember the Hogs and John Riggens). Walsh designed the short passing offense around Virgil Carter who has a very weak arm compared to Trey, but it was highly accurate. Trey's arm is much more powerful than Virgil's, and if Trey can develop the short passing accuracy that Virgil and Joe had -- the short passing game is there for the taking.
Position-less offense. If you look at Deebo and how important he plays a role in Kyles offense currently. Imagine what he can do with a QB like Trey. He's a Wide-Back, and he can do it all. Move Deebo around, and with all the other receivers and running backs that can also catch passes, and he'll be tough to stop.
The OLine: if you look at the guards Jaylon, Banks, and Zakelj - they are big power type blockers, whereas you see the OT's and Centers being very athletic and agile and hovering around 300 Lbs, (Trent Williams is unique though) give or take a couple of pounds. You can see Kyle mixing in more inside runs versus the outside runs than before. Those runs, specifically to the left side behind Trent Williams, will help Trey's boot actions and RPOs to the right - where Trey's mobility will be dangerous. So the vertical play pass and the misdirection boot action plays just got more explosive with those potential new guards.
The WRs: you have Deebo, and Aiyuk, but the big development is Jauan. I think you need a minimum of three good receivers to be a pass first offense. The reason is now you can utilize triangle concepts in either the horizontal or vertical passing offense. Add in a (hopefully) another good receiver in Danny Gray to make those triangle concepts stretch the defenses more and open bigger passing holes for Trey to take advantage of.
The TE: Kittle. Nuff said. He's a super star and paid like it. Every successful passing attack - whatever the variation - needs a very good pass catching TE. A passing offense can take better advantage of Kittle's explosiveness and YAC versus a run dominant offense. A run first offense is just wasting Kittle's talents.
Good stuff right here
