QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

Not to mention that Kittle was moving left at that time so Purdy's decision to move with him to make the throw easier was a good one.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

If you go to about 15 seconds into the video, Crosby is still inside of McG while Purdy has his back turned to the defense. If Purdy just takes a step up, there isn't really an angle for Crosby, similar to the other play I posted.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Here's a play where the pocket is actually collapsing, but instead of leaving the pocket unnecessarily like the other play, Purdy just causally steps up in the pocket and delivers the ball.

More 49ers Brock Purdy for Rookie of the Year propaganda pic.twitter.com/PTZXBlDojw

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 10, 2023

He has that almost uncoachable ability to feel the pressure and move accordingly and keep eyes downfield. Like a lot of young generation QBs he can deliver from multiple platforms and arm angles and dots his receivers. It's what people observe when they say he just looks like a natural out there, which he does. Game is not too quick for BCB.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cortana49:
Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

There's no need to find examples. You can find them yourself.

This was a known criticism of him even in the draft process,....a part of why he lasted so long. It's not "new" or out of left field or anything.


https://deceptivespeed.com/college-football-week-5-nfl-draft-prospects/

There you are,...arrow and all, as asked.

So credit to the staff and Purdy throughout his time here at the improvement and meshing that has happened after our top 2 QBs went down. But there's no need to pretend that he's perfect.

If you really do wonder where criticisms may come from,...the simple solution I'd suggest is to take the time to research them and read up.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Do you have a thread incoming where you're "criticizing" Purdy over a drop by one of our WR's or something?

Give it 2 more days,...you'll be just fine.

Furlow I blame you for this the arrows are back

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

If you go to about 15 seconds into the video, Crosby is still inside of McG while Purdy has his back turned to the defense. If Purdy just takes a step up, there isn't really an angle for Crosby, similar to the other play I posted.

Purdy helped crosby get pressure.. normally you would step up... but with MM's history.. you have to make a decision to stay or leave quickly and he did and it worked out

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

If you go to about 15 seconds into the video, Crosby is still inside of McG while Purdy has his back turned to the defense. If Purdy just takes a step up, there isn't really an angle for Crosby, similar to the other play I posted.

Nope. At :15 the pressure is on. Not going to agree with you so best to move on. Furlow might be up for more. I'm not.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

I agree with you, based on the routes and that particular play. Kittle was his last option, and since Kittle is moving left, Purdy did too. Now could he have waited a split second longer for the play side routes? Perhaps. But when you have #69 getting bullied play after play, I'd assume that starts to enter your mind a bit.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cortana49:
Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

How many examples do I need to pass the subjective threshold of a tendency? I chose that one because it was one that I remembered clearly and could easily find film of it.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cortana49:
Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

How many examples do I need to pass the subjective threshold of a tendency? I chose that one because it was one that I remembered clearly and could easily find film of it.

He has 170 pass attempts this season. A tendency would be 10%? 5%? 5% is pretty low to call it a tendency, but we'll make it easy. So that's 8. 8 example of Purdy breaking the pocket too soon. Let's do this.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Nah. at :14 of that video, McG is beat and Maxx is heading toward BCB on that side. BCB moves away from the pressure as you can see at :15. If he breaks .25 seconds later, this play doesn't happen.

McG is not beat until Purdy drifts backwards changing the angle of Crosby's rush. It's not on the tackle if the QB moves further back like that, because the tackle is protecting the area where he anticipates the QB to be.

Nope. Maxx is moving toward BCB on McGs shoulder when BCB moves. In under .25 seconds, BCB moves away from the man bearing down on him and later makes a huge play. He did not break early at all.

It all happens in under a second (half second) in any event, so even if you think he broke early on this play, we are talking about less than 1/2 a second difference.

If you go to about 15 seconds into the video, Crosby is still inside of McG while Purdy has his back turned to the defense. If Purdy just takes a step up, there isn't really an angle for Crosby, similar to the other play I posted.

Nope. At :15 the pressure is on. Not going to agree with you so best to move on. Furlow might be up for more. I'm not.

https://i.imgur.com/CpCZb7w.png

Purdy is rolling out before McG is beat. I'm not sure what justification Purdy has for spinning away from nobody when stepping up in the pocket would buy him just as much time. His throw against Arizona shows that he doesn't need to roll out to make that throw.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by cortana49:
Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

How many examples do I need to pass the subjective threshold of a tendency? I chose that one because it was one that I remembered clearly and could easily find film of it.

He has 170 pass attempts this season. A tendency would be 10%? 5%? 5% is pretty low to call it a tendency, but we'll make it easy. So that's 8. 8 example of Purdy breaking the pocket too soon. Let's do this.

What are we even talkin here? Go back to being rushed by Maxx one of the best in the game he rolls right hits Kittle across body throw. We all expected ups and downs with this young man it's been all UPS. Any convo otherwise is nit picking.

Running around before throwing a pass earns a player more PFF points. I think that's why he did what he did.

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Ok, I'm not a great observational fan of QB skills, but I DO have eyes. I read this snippet in an article...

It's never easy playing quarterback in the NFL, but Purdy might as well have the softest landing pad to work with. The 49ers are so good that Purdy's evident limitations (happy feet and poor mechanics, hello!) in the pocket probably won't come back to bite them against the Seahawks.

and was like … really? That's NOT what I see at all. Someone tell me this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. (full article here)

Thanks.

To be more specific, his comment about the "happy feet and poor mechanics" had me doing the Jordan laugh.

I don't think it can be discounted how good of a situation Purdy has been put into with guys like CMC, Deebo (though he's mostly been absent during Purdy's tenure), Kittle, Aiyuk, Kyle's offense etc. He's been helped tremendously by that as any QB would be. That said, I'm not sure what the dude is talking about in terms of Purdy's mechanics or happy feet. They seem at worst fine, and actually seem pretty good. He has a very natural throwing motion and seems comfortable throwing from different arm angles. He does have a tendency to break the pocket too soon, but he is a rookie, so not that surprising.

No he doesn't.

You're right. He's perfect.

Not perfect. He just doesn't have a tendency to break the pocket too soon. Like, at all.

Independent of the result of this play (which was a great throw to Kittle) do you think it was necessary for him to abandon the pocket on this play?

His primary read on the right side was covered and he knew Crosby was going against Mike "swinging gate" McGlinchey, so he bought himself extra time by spinning out to his left. He didn't "abandon" the pocket, he simply moved and reset his base to his left. And threw a touchdown pass. On an absolutely beautiful throw to Kittle.

THIS is your example of "a tendency" to break the pocket to soon? Try again. Maybe get with Random and come up with some pictures with arrows on them.

How are you this hostile over the most innocuous of discussions?

What do think breaking the pocket means if running 5 yards back and leaving the pocket doesn't count? Also, regardless of who is at RT, the play was blocked pretty well, and it shouldn't be encouraged or excused for a QB to anticipate pressure that isn't there.

He saved the play with a great throw that he made unnecessarily more difficult than it had to be. A play can have both good and bad elements to it.

How are you this sensitive over my response? I simply don't agree with you that a QB moving to his left to create space and time for himself, on a throw that ends up being a touchdown pass, is a good example of "a tendency to break the pocket too soon." Surely you have some better examples.

Bottom line is Mahomes, Allen, Burrow do this stuff all the time and end up on Sportscenter Top 10 plays. And you and other Jimmy denigrators said that we should be doing anything possible to get such a QB. Now we finally have one, and you want him to play like a statue in the pocket ala Brady or Roethlisberger (or Jimmy lol)?

Just seems like any excuse to say something negative.

I'm not sensitive over your response, just wondering why there is a need to ramp things up to 11 and start making it personal over a mild criticism. You said he never breaks the pocket early and I posted an example of where I felt he did.

Why are you saying he moved left to create time and space for himself? Why did he need to create it? There was zero pressure in the pocket.

Nothing personal at all, I don't know you. This particular opinion of yours is simply ridiculously bad. I didn't say he never leaves the pocket too soon, every QB makes that mistake now and then. You said he has "a tendency" to do it; I disagree. He stays in the pocket and looks to throw from the pocket. If/when he needs to create extra time to make a play, he does and can. The latter is one of his best strengths, and the play you're citing here is a great example of that.

Try to find at least one good example. And if you want to prove your point that it's a "tendency," then you'll need to find several examples.

You said he didn't have a tendency to break the pocket "at all". How else should I interpret that if not as you saying he doesn't ever break the pocket unnecessarily?

Also, I posted a pretty clear example of him breaking the pocket unnecessarily. He wasn't under any pressure (and likely would not have been under any anytime soon) when he abandoned the pocket, so if it wasn't necessary for him to do it to keep the play alive, it is unnecessary. I don't see the point in posting further examples if you're going to just create a fantasy narrative of each play in order to justify it. Especially since it was just a mild criticism of something that has been noted and talked about by others, including KS, prior to today.

Not having a tendency doesn't mean that it's never done.

Okay, just for fun, let's agree that his spectacular touchdown pass to Kittle was an example of breaking the pocket too soon. Do you have any others? Or is one example enough to prove that it's a "tendency?"

How many examples do I need to pass the subjective threshold of a tendency? I chose that one because it was one that I remembered clearly and could easily find film of it.

He has 170 pass attempts this season. A tendency would be 10%? 5%? 5% is pretty low to call it a tendency, but we'll make it easy. So that's 8. 8 example of Purdy breaking the pocket too soon. Let's do this.

Pay me if you want me to do the legwork on your ridiculous and arbitrary standard to prove a mild critique (mentioned amongst praise in the context of trying to understand where the author of an article was coming from). Not to mention it also appearing on his scouting report and being mentioned by other 49ers analysts. Just a ridiculous attempt to censor all criticism and discussion like you used to do with Jimmy. Only a matter of time before you start accusing people of being in the Purdy Haters Club (if you haven't already).