QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by ScoutingBall:
On a serious note, what would you all say to a Stafford type of deal for Joe Burrow. I believe Los Angeles gave up Goff, two first round picks and a third. I would assume that would be the starting point for a Purdy Burrow deal. Would likely take a little more than that. I don't think Cincinnati is gonna find any starting quarterback and this year's draft class nor do I think they could get anybody better than Purdy. Just throwing that out there to see what you would think. Would you do a Purdy and Burrow switch if we threw in 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd?

To me this isn't serious because the Bengals don't make this deal unless Burrow demands it and puts the organization into the type of bind where they have no choice but to move him.

Purdy is a good QB capable of executing our offense at a high level. We need better weapons and a run game, and those picks can help us get there.

An improvement at QB with a thin roster and no high value picks to improve in the near future isn't going to get us over the hump.

Plus, and people can scoff at it but I don't think Burrow is that much better than Brock to start with.

Burrow wasn't some can't miss high school recruit. He was a 3 star kid I think, maybe 4. I believe he might have been Mr. Football his senior year in Ohio. Ohio State went ahead and offered and signed him. Then he transferred to LSU because the Ohio State coaches loved Dwayne Haskin's arm and ceiling more.

And while both teams have done their quarterbacks no favors with the offensive line, and while Brock has Kittle and CMC, Burrow has TWO WR's arguably better than Brock has EVER had in Chase and Higgins and that includes prime Deebo and Aiyuk.

Don't get me wrong. Burrow is a fine quarterback. I think when healthy he's easily a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson. Lamar threatens you obviously in more ways. Burrow is the better quarterback in the traditional sense.

But I also have the feeling Joe Burrow doesn't really have a love for the game itself anymore and he is starting to strike me as the type of guy that if he ever decides he can make a living doing something else he would say screw it and just walk away. Don't think you have to ever worry about that with Brock.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Of course we HAD to bet the farm on Lance. HAD TO.

Jimmy took us to the title game anyway. Lol.

That last sentence is as accurate as saying Sam Darnold has taken the Seahawks to the nfc championship.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Well there is a reason why Caleb was selected first and Brock last. Caleb clearly has the better arm talent and just better overall athlete. I think he's top 10/15 right now. Would i take him over Brock. Of course. And he turns the ball over less than Brock. But I also think Brock is top 10/15. I'm not mad that we got Brock. Could be much worse.

Talent wise there is no question Caleb is miles ahead of Brock. Right up there with Mahomes, Allen and Lamar.

However since all we can do is evaluate what we see NOW, I'm taking Brock, especially for us.

Caleb misses way too many standard throws for me to choose him over Brock who is way more consistent at those.

Now obviously Caleb took a big step forward this year and if he continues that trajectory he'll leave Brock in the dust soon.

But right now I'd want a QB who is a lot more consistent.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 90sFortyNiner:
We have never seen Mahomes outside of Andy Reid's system. Furthermore nearly all his greatest Playoff moments were with his legs

Past 3 regular seasons
Mahomes (46 games): 75 TDs and 36 INTs, 11,700 yds

Purdy (40 games): 71 TDs and 31 INTs, 10,300 yds

Will Brock ever be what Patrick was 4+ years ago? Probably not. But moving forward they are very similiar and arguably you prefer to have Brock given the age

The stats don't tell you when those TD passes happened. Mahomes has the knack of making really big plays at a critical time. Caleb Williams stats aren't nearly as good as Brock's but he makes huge plays at critical moments in the game.

Brock is a solid QB that plays at a high level most of the time but he's not the type of player that turns into Superman in the 4th quarter. I know he's had spme comebacks but no tthe huge ones that we've seen from Mahomes, Williams and Allen. The other side of that coin is if those guys played better in the first 3 quarters they wouldn't need the big comebacks.

I'm glad you typed the last sentence especially when it comes to Caleb Williams. People have gone crazy over him because of those comebacks and it ignores the fact that they needed those comebacks in part because he played pretty poorly for 3 quarters. In fact, take away his fourth quarters, which obviously you can't, and he played pretty bad in the playoffs.

I'll admit as an Ohio State fan I wanted Fields to succeed. Heck, I wanted us to draft him. I figured Caleb would be a bust due to his attitude and lack of maturity. It seems like he'll probably be fine but people (not necessarily you) go crazy over I think the second least accurate passer in the league. It's like a more talented Tebow Time 2.0. The original version definitely wasn't sustainable.

I believe there was a stat not so long ago that showed Brock had the most or highest percentage of double digit victories or something at this point in his career. 4th quarter comebacks are exciting but I would actually rather have a quarterback who consistently plays so well you generally don't need them. And when it doesn't or if it doesn't happen I am not sure it falls on Brock anyway as Kyle's 4th quarter record in comeback situations is abysmal through all quarterbacks. To be fair most coaches if not all probably have losing records in that situation because you've been outplayed all game. But his is really bad.

Tim Tebow 2.0 tells me you haven't watched any of his games. He's a 2nd year QB with receivers that either show a lack of effort or struggle to get on the same page. Tebow couldn't throw a spiral to save his life let alone make the same 50 yard dart like the play Caleb is getting love for. He's dangerous and if he continues his current trajectory then we're going to have to deal with that team for the forceable future let alone the juggernaut that's developing in our division.

Respectfully the fact that I said a MORE TALENTED Tebow tells me you either don't know how to comprehend what you read very well or you choose to just be in love with highlight plays and physical tools above everything else.

The point was playing uninspiring or even bad football for 3 quarters, only to put on a cape in the 4th, LIKE TEBOW DID, isn't sustainable. It wasn't sustainable for Tebow beyond that one year and it isn't sustainable for anyone probably even the next year. You can't count on the other team making mistakes week after week to bail you out. He should have lost twice to the Packers at the end of the year and was getting outplayed by Stafford, who obviously is very good, but who obviously was also significantly bothered by his hand and the weather and still was not playing well.

No I haven't really watched his games. Working every Sunday typically at not one but 2 jobs I barely see any games. But I don't have to. When I see comments almost every game from X about how he can do anything on the field except hit wide open receivers and how he misses them by a lot, yeah I don't have to.

He obviously has a lot of talent. But no his current trajectory of play bad pull something out of his butt at the end isn't that threatening. If on his trajectory he develops consistency throughout, then he becomes a lot more threatening.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Of course we HAD to bet the farm on Lance. HAD TO.

Jimmy took us to the title game anyway. Lol.

That last sentence is as accurate as saying Sam Darnold has taken the Seahawks to the nfc championship.

TTo this day Jimmy G does not get any respect for his contributions to Kyle's offense. Totally pathetic.

First of all Jimmy G did not turn the ball over like darnold does. At his best he turned the ball over infrequently despite being under the same kind of heavy pressure that Brock is.

Just to finish our analogy, do you really think McDonald's is going to turn around and trade three number ones to move up in next year's draft?? That's the point I was making.

Also all these comments about Caleb and Brock are flat out wrong. If you can't hit normal open receivers you can't play football in the NFL. If Williams can't do that he won't be in the league for very long. Given this I find it incomprehensible that people are saying he's more talented than Purdy but just can't hit the simple throws. That means he's less talented than Purdy in my universe.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
TTo this day Jimmy G does not get any respect for his contributions to Kyle's offense. Totally pathetic.

First of all Jimmy G did not turn the ball over like darnold does. At his best he turned the ball over infrequently despite being under the same kind of heavy pressure that Brock is.

Just to finish our analogy, do you really think McDonald's is going to turn around and trade three number ones to move up in next year's draft?? That's the point I was making.

Not likely. But if the Hawks could somehow get Burrow they wouldn't hesitate.

You want to credit Jimmy for something he didnt really do. Was abysmal against the Packers. All my point was.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Well there is a reason why Caleb was selected first and Brock last. Caleb clearly has the better arm talent and just better overall athlete. I think he's top 10/15 right now. Would i take him over Brock. Of course. And he turns the ball over less than Brock. But I also think Brock is top 10/15. I'm not mad that we got Brock. Could be much worse.

Right now, Caleb is NOT a better quarterback than Brock Purdy.

Will he be in the future? Different argument. Maybe.

But he certainly isnt now.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Also all these comments about Caleb and Brock are flat out wrong. If you can't hit normal open receivers you can't play football in the NFL. If Williams can't do that he won't be in the league for very long. Given this I find it incomprehensible that people are saying he's more talented than Purdy but just can't hit the simple throws. That means he's less talented than Purdy in my universe.

It's a consistency issue. He is clearly capable.

He was successful this season with this inconsistency and his ability to avoid sacks and improv. It's just a question of whether he can improve on the basics and become an elite player or just be an inconsistent playmaker.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Not likely. But if the Hawks could somehow get Burrow they wouldn't hesitate.

You want to credit Jimmy for something he didnt really do. Was abysmal against the Packers. All my point was.

He led the game winning drive. It was the upset of the year. That's what I mean, no credit to jimmy. People only remember the bad stuff.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He led the game winning drive. It was the upset of the year. That's what I mean, no credit to jimmy. People only remember the bad stuff.

The offense scored less than the special teams did. Offense got their first first down in the 3rd quarter iirc. Deebo running was the catalyst on the final drive.

Contrast that to Brock vs the Eagles.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
He led the game winning drive. It was the upset of the year. That's what I mean, no credit to jimmy. People only remember the bad stuff.

The offense scored less than the special teams did. Offense got their first first down in the 3rd quarter iirc. Deebo running was the catalyst on the final drive.

Contrast that to Brock vs the Eagles.

The game was played in a snow globe. Nobody got anything going and jimmy was dinged up. Remember? But he made plays when he had to. And they kicked the walk off field goal. Huge upset packers 1 seed +5.5. Come on.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
The game was played in a snow globe. Nobody got anything going and jimmy was dinged up. Remember? But he made plays when he had to. And they kicked the walk off field goal. Huge upset packers 1 seed +5.5. Come on.

Jimmy was always hurt. Was his default.

If 9ers had Brock in 19 and 21 they have 2 rings.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Of course we HAD to bet the farm on Lance. HAD TO.

Jimmy took us to the title game anyway. Lol.

That last sentence is as accurate as saying Sam Darnold has taken the Seahawks to the nfc championship.

Jimmy helped get the team to the Championship game that year. After Lance went down, he came and played well enough to put a little winning streak together. If he hadn't been there would Brock have gotten an earlier start and accomplished the same thing? Maybe, but the fact remains that Brock didn't come in for Lance and Jimmy helped get the job done, just as he did in 2019. He had his shortcomings as a QB, but he helped bring the team back to legitimacy and his teammates supported him for it. There are worse legacies to have as a QB.

Give Brock DJ Moore, Rome Odunze and Luther Burden, Cole Kmet and Colton Loveland and see what happens…