QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Fair enough. I just don't put Brock in that "game on the line, 2 minutes left, no TOs, 90 yard drive for the win, head coach in the blue tent with a concussion so it's all you" type QB where he's gonna pull it out. I can see Allen and Mahomes do it. Maybe Burrow and Jackson with his legs. Stafford could do it. Brock probably doesn't.

Quick…when was the last time this was a thing?

Why do you insist on posting such nonsense?

Point being that great QBs make plays outside of what is called or intended. Do you know why ppl had the look with Caleb last night, even with those bone headed mistakes ? Because he can improvise and throw a 50 yard dart in the corner of the endzone just based off anticipation. It's why Mahomes can drive his team for a game tying FG in the playoffs with 15 seconds left. It's why Aaron Rodgers made you sweat on a Hail Mary throw with zero time on the clock. Luck involved ? Sure. But there's just some guys that can take matters into their own hands and will the team to victory. That's what I mean by blue tent.

Brock can play outside the system but not consistently. He's a great QB in the 2nd tier of QBs but you're kidding yourselves if you think he's just like Josh Allen or Matt Stafford. And no, I don't look at isolated games to make my opinion so let's save the what happened to Josh Allen and Matt Stafford last night…

Caleb Williams lost in case you forgot...by your own rules it means he sucks.

What you're describing has nothing to do with what you actually wrote above. None of those guys call their own plays with the coach out with a concussion

Purdy has made plenty of plays out of scheme including actually helping us win vs Detroit in the NFCCG in 2023. Just because he's not able to make a play like Caleb or Mahomes doesn't mean a damn thing. It's a nice to have but Caleb also misses a ton of slam dunk plays. So if a QB like Brock is able to make those plays then there shouldn't be a need to do the insane.

Mahomes btw didn't do a single play you're describing in that 13 second drive. It was literally just 2 plays that were well designed and called by the coaches.

None of those guys are willing their team to victory btw. If they don't have other players making plays for them in those moments it doesn't mean squat. If Kelce drops the pass getting KC into FG range it doesn't mean a thing. If nobody catches Rodgers' hail mary then who cares. It's a team sport and a lot has to play out to get some of these wins. That's what you fail to acknowledge.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 90sFortyNiner:
We have never seen Mahomes outside of Andy Reid's system. Furthermore nearly all his greatest Playoff moments were with his legs

Past 3 regular seasons
Mahomes (46 games): 75 TDs and 36 INTs, 11,700 yds

Purdy (40 games): 71 TDs and 31 INTs, 10,300 yds

Will Brock ever be what Patrick was 4+ years ago? Probably not. But moving forward they are very similiar and arguably you prefer to have Brock given the age

The stats don't tell you when those TD passes happened. Mahomes has the knack of making really big plays at a critical time. Caleb Williams stats aren't nearly as good as Brock's but he makes huge plays at critical moments in the game.

Brock is a solid QB that plays at a high level most of the time but he's not the type of player that turns into Superman in the 4th quarter. I know he's had spme comebacks but no tthe huge ones that we've seen from Mahomes, Williams and Allen. The other side of that coin is if those guys played better in the first 3 quarters they wouldn't need the big comebacks.

I'm glad you typed the last sentence especially when it comes to Caleb Williams. People have gone crazy over him because of those comebacks and it ignores the fact that they needed those comebacks in part because he played pretty poorly for 3 quarters. In fact, take away his fourth quarters, which obviously you can't, and he played pretty bad in the playoffs.

I'll admit as an Ohio State fan I wanted Fields to succeed. Heck, I wanted us to draft him. I figured Caleb would be a bust due to his attitude and lack of maturity. It seems like he'll probably be fine but people (not necessarily you) go crazy over I think the second least accurate passer in the league. It's like a more talented Tebow Time 2.0. The original version definitely wasn't sustainable.

I believe there was a stat not so long ago that showed Brock had the most or highest percentage of double digit victories or something at this point in his career. 4th quarter comebacks are exciting but I would actually rather have a quarterback who consistently plays so well you generally don't need them. And when it doesn't or if it doesn't happen I am not sure it falls on Brock anyway as Kyle's 4th quarter record in comeback situations is abysmal through all quarterbacks. To be fair most coaches if not all probably have losing records in that situation because you've been outplayed all game. But his is really bad.

Tim Tebow 2.0 tells me you haven't watched any of his games. He's a 2nd year QB with receivers that either show a lack of effort or struggle to get on the same page. Tebow couldn't throw a spiral to save his life let alone make the same 50 yard dart like the play Caleb is getting love for. He's dangerous and if he continues his current trajectory then we're going to have to deal with that team for the forceable future let alone the juggernaut that's developing in our division.

Well there is a reason why Caleb was selected first and Brock last. Caleb clearly has the better arm talent and just better overall athlete. I think he's top 10/15 right now. Would i take him over Brock. Of course. And he turns the ball over less than Brock. But I also think Brock is top 10/15. I'm not mad that we got Brock. Could be much worse.

Originally posted by Niners99:
The only QB's with a SB ring who will still be in the league 5 years from now are Mahomes and Hurts. I can't think of a time with less star power at QB. Literally everyone else has accomplished nothing that Purdy hasn't, and we already know Purdy is better than Hurts. The door is wide open for Brock to become a permanent top 5 guy.

Outside of Staffored retiring why wouldn't any of the 4 remaining qb's be in the league in 5 years? Or you saying the Rams are winning it all?

Originally posted by lamontb:
Well there is a reason why Caleb was selected first and Brock last. Caleb clearly has the better arm talent and just better overall athlete. I think he's top 10/15 right now. Would i take him over Brock. Of course. And he turns the ball over less than Brock. But I also think Brock is top 10/15. I'm not mad that we got Brock. Could be much worse.

We just saw Caleb and Brock go head to head. Both teams had equivalent talent and coaching around them and Brock won. We saw what Brock did his first two years and we have seen what Caleb has done his first two. Based on results and style of play I can say that Caleb is more of a game changer and that Brock is more of a game winner in my opinion

I can't see Brock doing what Caleb is doing and I can't see Caleb playing the game Brock is either. The eye test says you go with Caleb all day every day but despite them being only two years apart in age Brock appears to play the game more cerebrally and that's gonna last well into his career. Caleb is driven by his athleticism and skill set and it remains to be seen whether he gets better playing within structure but if he does he's one of one

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Niners99:
The only QB's with a SB ring who will still be in the league 5 years from now are Mahomes and Hurts. I can't think of a time with less star power at QB. Literally everyone else has accomplished nothing that Purdy hasn't, and we already know Purdy is better than Hurts. The door is wide open for Brock to become a permanent top 5 guy.

Outside of Staffored retiring why wouldn't any of the 4 remaining qb's be in the league in 5 years? Or you saying the Rams are winning it all?

My Top 5....

Mahomes, Stafford, Maye, Allen, Jackson

Knocking on the door....Burrow, Caleb, T.Lawrence, B.Nix, J.Love, Dak, Brock, Darnold

I don't see how Brock is a permanent top 5 in the future with the way the seemingly more talented young guys are developing as their teams grow. Now with his receiving core in shambles it gets even harder to stay in the top 10.

Originally posted by jcs:
My Top 5....

Mahomes, Stafford, Maye, Allen, Jackson

Knocking on the door....Burrow, Caleb, T.Lawrence, B.Nix, J.Love, Dak, Brock, Darnold

I don't see how Brock is a permanent top 5 in the future with the way the seemingly more talented young guys are developing as their teams grow. Now with his receiving core in shambles it gets even harder to stay in the top 10.

Brock was top 3 QBR this year

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Niners99:
The only QB's with a SB ring who will still be in the league 5 years from now are Mahomes and Hurts. I can't think of a time with less star power at QB. Literally everyone else has accomplished nothing that Purdy hasn't, and we already know Purdy is better than Hurts. The door is wide open for Brock to become a permanent top 5 guy.

Outside of Staffored retiring why wouldn't any of the 4 remaining qb's be in the league in 5 years? Or you saying the Rams are winning it all?

My Top 5....

Mahomes, Stafford, Maye, Allen, Jackson

Knocking on the door....Burrow, Caleb, T.Lawrence, B.Nix, J.Love, Dak, Brock, Darnold

I don't see how Brock is a permanent top 5 in the future with the way the seemingly more talented young guys are developing as their teams grow. Now with his receiving core in shambles it gets even harder to stay in the top 10.

Mahomes
Stafford
Maye
Allen
Burrow
Nix
Would easily take over Brock
Still undecided on Caleb, Darnold, Lawerence and Love
Dak- You could talk me into maybe
Pass on Lamar

Brock is easily a top 8 qb (I put him at 6-7 even though he constantly plays with worse pass pro and WRs than any top qb)

Originally posted by elguapo:
Brock is easily a top 8 qb (I put him at 6-7 even though he constantly plays with worse pass pro and WRs than any top qb)

Brock actually has some of the best pass protection in the league. He takes a lot of hits because of his style of play. He's certainly not playing behind a line like Burrow. WR's I'll agree with but that's more an issue with coaching and the FO. It's going to get interesting if they lose Jennings to F/A with Kittle's injury and how bad the rest of the unit is.

Well there is Talent, and then there is success.

To me this is so very much like Marino (A++) vs Montana (A). Some players are so uber talented they can realistically change the probability of success under any circumstance. That does not mean they will always win, or they don't make mistakes, or whatever.....but there are throws that can't be defended.

Brett Farve is my favorite example of that kind of player, because he was mistake prone as hell....but if you clear that up...he is a multi year MVP.

I think Brock is much closer to that Montana, Brees type level. Give the guy time and a safe pocket and he will win games. He is not going to beat a defense with pure ball speed like we watched Farve do for years, but he could easily lead the league statistically if the 49ers get their heads out of their asses and built this man an Oline.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Mahomes
Stafford
Maye
Allen
Burrow
Nix
Would easily take over Brock
Still undecided on Caleb, Darnold, Lawerence and Love
Dak- You could talk me into maybe
Pass on Lamar

Not sure about Nix. But Dak I would take over Brock, and probably Caleb.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Well there is Talent, and then there is success.

To me this is so very much like Marino (A++) vs Montana (A). Some players are so uber talented they can realistically change the probability of success under any circumstance. That does not mean they will always win, or they don't make mistakes, or whatever.....but there are throws that can't be defended.

Brett Farve is my favorite example of that kind of player, because he was mistake prone as hell....but if you clear that up...he is a multi year MVP.

I think Brock is much closer to that Montana, Brees type level. Give the guy time and a safe pocket and he will win games. He is not going to beat a defense with pure ball speed like we watched Farve do for years, but he could easily lead the league statistically if the 49ers get their heads out of their asses and built this man an Oline.

Brock is no where near Montana or Brees at any level. Maybe Kurt Warner mixed with a bit of Favre with the high risk high reward mentality, but no part of his game matches Montana or Brees.

Originally posted by jcs:
Brock actually has some of the best pass protection in the league. He takes a lot of hits because of his style of play. He's certainly not playing behind a line like Burrow. WR's I'll agree with but that's more an issue with coaching and the FO. It's going to get interesting if they lose Jennings to F/A with Kittle's injury and how bad the rest of the unit is.

I cant believe I'm reading this.

Originally posted by jcs:
My Top 5....

Mahomes, Stafford, Maye, Allen, Jackson

Knocking on the door....Burrow, Caleb, T.Lawrence, B.Nix, J.Love, Dak, Brock, Darnold

I don't see how Brock is a permanent top 5 in the future with the way the seemingly more talented young guys are developing as their teams grow. Now with his receiving core in shambles it gets even harder to stay in the top 10.

Captain Measurable.

Unimpressed with Williams Nix Love Darnold. Brock is better than all of them.

Maye i don't see a decision maker yet. Lawrence needs a better system. Cant tell about him either in the long run. Neither have come close to achieving anything special like Brocks rookie year.

Allen? Needs a better system and qb coaching. Don't know how it will turn out.

Although everyone has a stronger arm than brock, only Mahomes Burrows and Stafford are better throwers.

Stafford and Burrows are world class, but not escapable like Brock.

The main problems for brock are his sub par offensive line and the scheme he's in, which repeatedly makes him go through a progression of tight window throws (to set up the chunk OZ run with the 4.3 burner we no longer have)

Long story short Brock is a top 5 value-add at the QB position. The main things that need to be worked out to reduce ints are external to Brock.

Some of the guys you named will be playing back up or gone from the league before Brock signs his second contract.