QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 49ers have rarely been in a position to draft a top QB. When they tried to trade up and get one it turned into a disaster. Unfortunately for them their opportunity to trade up happened in a bad year for QBs. The QBs they've had since Young were either mid or late round picks, trades for backups or free agent signings.

Buddy this regime started off in a dream scenario for any new coach/gm; they had the #2 overall pick and needed a QB. THEY completely f**ked that up. Knowing them; if they were to take a QB it probably would've been Trubisky instead of Watson or Mahomes so I guess it doesn't matter anyways

Dream scenario? Quick find me all the mock drafts heading into that draft that claimed Mahomes should've been a top 3 pick.

The reality is we never got to see Kyle's actual vision which was clearly use the draft to improve a histrionically bad defense(what a dream scenario…) and bring in Kirk Cousins to run his offense for no draft compensation.

That draft was Myles Garrett and then a huge drop off to the next guy and Mahomes wasn't in those conversations. KC took him at 10 and got a ton of crap for it…but here you are pretending that was an obvious pick to make.

There are drafts where you have clear top of the draft QB prospects. 2017 wasn't that type of draft.

You have reading comprehension issues? When a new coach and gm comes to takeover a new team, a team in need of a QB; it is a dream scenario (draft wise) to have a top pick. They had their pick of the litter; but decided to wait until the 3rd round to trade up for CJ Beathard.

Yea I know the plan was Cousins; but that was for the following season in free agency. 9/10 times a new coach and gm coming to a new team without a QB would want (and should want) to start THAT season drafting a young rookie when you have a top 2 pick; not select a tweener DT, but I digress and we all know how that worked out. We didn't even get Cousins lol. If the rookie didn't work (whoever they took) it still doesn't stop the plan of getting Cousins in free agency with a young rookie to groom

I don't understand, are you mad that they didn't draft Trubisky or Watson? Or are you mad they didn't know Mahomes would work out as well as he did? Weren't they really the only top QBs that draft?

Mad? If you followed all of it, I commented on Catch's comment of the 49ers rarely being in position to draft a top QB. John and Kyle started their tenure in position to draft a top QB. Only people mad are the ones mad at me for saying it lol

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You start of with a hindsight comment and then criticize me of hindsight about Mahomes

I mean who knows if Watson would've done the same s**t with us as he did in Houston? And yes Mahomes was on others radars besides Andy Reid.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/26561055/drafting-patrick-mahomes-how-chiefs-outmaneuvered-nfl

And speak for yourself buddy; I did want him, along with a few others on this board. That was the most college tape I watched of a QB because as I've said; we had a new coach, a new gm, and a top 2 pick.

And as a bonus for you since you trying to puff your chest at me; in case you missed it, John Lynch wanted Kyle to take a look at him after being impressed with his pro day. Kyle was too blinded with Cousins and shut it down, it's well documented but I guess a lot of you like to pretend that didn't happen.

Well, I guess it's too bad you weren't working for the 49ers front office then, you could have set them straight. Fans always have their favorites, so I've no doubt there were others who saw Mahomes as a good bet. Unfortunately, Kyle. and most of the rest of the league, weren't among of them, So, go ahead pat yourself on the back. And yes, you're right he did have blinders on where Cousins, was concerned but they had a plan, and they stuck to it. And even though that draft ended up being a bit of a bust for them, outside of Kittle, they did a good enough job rebuilding the roster for them to take it to the Super Bowl two years later.

Also, just as and FYI, I've found that people who make ample use of the rolling on the floor laughing emoji are usually never being as clever as they think they're being. It just comes across as kind of arrogant and condescending. But I guess if the shoe fits....

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You have reading comprehension issues? When a new coach and gm comes to takeover a new team, a team in need of a QB; it is a dream scenario (draft wise) to have a top pick. They had their pick of the litter; but decided to wait until the 3rd round to trade up for CJ Beathard.

Yea I know the plan was Cousins; but that was for the following season in free agency. 9/10 times a new coach and gm coming to a new team without a QB would want (and should want) to start THAT season drafting a young rookie when you have a top 2 pick; not select a tweener DT, but I digress and we all know how that worked out. We didn't even get Cousins lol. If the rookie didn't work (whoever they took) it still doesn't stop the plan of getting Cousins in free agency with a young rookie to groom

You think it's realistic they give up on a high 1st round rookie QB after one season? Doesn't seem realistic, at all. It rarely happens. Adding a top dollar free agent contract on top of a high 1st round contract at the position isn't great either.

At the time, I wasn't a fan of the idea of bringing in Cousins in any case.

Where did I say to give up on him after one season? I said if it didn't work (to Kyle's liking); there's nothing stopping him from the plan of getting Cousins and you can continue grooming the rookie.

The "high" first round contract cost the same regardless of who we took. And we needed a QB anyways; which is why they gave up multiple picks for Beathard two rounds later

GB did it multiple times (paying top dollar to a QB) and still using their first round pick on a QB; from Farve to Rodgers then from Rodgers to Love. KC was currently paying Alex good money and still traded up to get Mahomes.

In any case; people are getting way to nuts over this. My original point was that this regime started their tenure off in draft position to take a top QB. That can't be argued. The team needed a QB at that time. That can't be argued. 9 times out of 10; when a new coach and gm comes in and has a top 2 pick, and needs a QB, they take a QB with that pick.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You start of with a hindsight comment and then criticize me of hindsight about Mahomes

I mean who knows if Watson would've done the same s**t with us as he did in Houston? And yes Mahomes was on others radars besides Andy Reid.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/26561055/drafting-patrick-mahomes-how-chiefs-outmaneuvered-nfl

And speak for yourself buddy; I did want him, along with a few others on this board. That was the most college tape I watched of a QB because as I've said; we had a new coach, a new gm, and a top 2 pick.

And as a bonus for you since you trying to puff your chest at me; in case you missed it, John Lynch wanted Kyle to take a look at him after being impressed with his pro day. Kyle was too blinded with Cousins and shut it down, it's well documented but I guess a lot of you like to pretend that didn't happen.

Well, I guess it's too bad you weren't working for the 49ers front office then, you could have set them straight. Fans always have their favorites, so I've no doubt there were others who saw Mahomes as a good bet. Unfortunately, Kyle. and most of the rest of the league, weren't among of them, So, go ahead pat yourself on the back. And yes, you're right he did have blinders on where Cousins, was concerned but they had a plan, and they stuck to it. And even though that draft ended up being a bit of a bust for them, outside of Kittle, they did a good enough job rebuilding the roster for them to take it to the Super Bowl two years later.

Also, just as and FYI, I've found that people who make ample use of the rolling on the floor laughing emoji are usually never being as clever as they think they're being. It just comes across as kind of arrogant and condescending. But I guess if the shoe fits....

Ummmm no they didn't. The plan was Cousins and obviously they didn't get him; so no they didn't stick to it.

And your last paragraph is just being petty because you were proven wrong. You gonna try to talk to me about arrogance; dude read what you wrote to me, I find that condescending and arrogant all the same. So touché you fit the same shoes.

Whats trying to be clever? Nothing I wrote was wrong. You on the other hand

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Where did I say to give up on him after one season? I said if it didn't work (to Kyle's liking); there's nothing stopping him from the plan of getting Cousins and you can continue grooming the rookie.

The "high" first round contract cost the same regardless of who we took. And we needed a QB anyways; which is why they gave up multiple picks for Beathard two rounds later

GB did it multiple times (paying top dollar to a QB) and still using their first round pick on a QB; from Farve to Rodgers then from Rodgers to Love. KC was currently paying Alex good money and still traded up to get Mahomes.

In any case; people are getting way to nuts over this. My original point was that this regime started their tenure off in draft position to take a top QB. That can't be argued. The team needed a QB at that time. That can't be argued. 9 times out of 10; when a new coach and gm comes in and has a top 2 pick, and needs a QB, they take a QB with that pick.

I don't disagree with your original point, fyi. Just pointing out it's not very realistic to draft a high 1st round QB and then sign a free agent QB at top dollar the following offseason. The argument that they will have that contract at a different position anyway doesn't really track because it is a different position. Team's tend to not spend excess money for backups. I don't think using Green Bay and KC are great examples either, because there are significant differences in the contracts for pick #2 and a pick at 10 (Mahomes) or a pick in the 20s or later (Love), and Alex was not being paid at the top of the market.

That aside, I also don't think it's realistic to draft a high 1st round QB, play him for a year, and then bench him to learn under a top dollar FA, in year two. There are obvious problems with this idea for both QBs and I can't really think of an example of it happening.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Where did I say to give up on him after one season? I said if it didn't work (to Kyle's liking); there's nothing stopping him from the plan of getting Cousins and you can continue grooming the rookie.

The "high" first round contract cost the same regardless of who we took. And we needed a QB anyways; which is why they gave up multiple picks for Beathard two rounds later

GB did it multiple times (paying top dollar to a QB) and still using their first round pick on a QB; from Farve to Rodgers then from Rodgers to Love. KC was currently paying Alex good money and still traded up to get Mahomes.

In any case; people are getting way to nuts over this. My original point was that this regime started their tenure off in draft position to take a top QB. That can't be argued. The team needed a QB at that time. That can't be argued. 9 times out of 10; when a new coach and gm comes in and has a top 2 pick, and needs a QB, they take a QB with that pick.

I don't disagree with your original point, fyi. Just pointing out it's not very realistic to draft a high 1st round QB and then sign a free agent QB at top dollar the following offseason. The argument that they will have that contract at a different position anyway doesn't really track because it is a different position. Team's tend to not spend excess money for backups. I don't think using Green Bay and KC are great examples either, because there are significant differences in the contracts for pick #2 and a pick at 10 (Mahomes) or a pick in the 20s or later (Love), and Alex was not being paid at the top of the market.

That aside, I also don't think it's realistic to draft a high 1st round QB, play him for a year, and then bench him to learn under a top dollar FA, in year two. There are obvious problems with this idea for both QBs and I can't really think of an example of it happening.

I don't disagree with you; I think I'm being sidetracked by the pitchforks that came at me from different posters. All I was trying to say to you is that realistic or not; whether it happens all the time or not, had they drafted a QB with their first pick instead of their 3rd round pick; it wouldn't mean they could no longer follow their original plan of getting Cousins.

And it's kinda ironic, speaking of Cousins; it's literally happening right now with Atlanta. They paid Cousins a boatload of money and drafted Penix. But anyways I don't disagree with anything you said, you can actually have a conversation without being emotional or sensitive of the topic at hand, I respect you as a poster here and sadly can't say the same for much others.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 49ers have rarely been in a position to draft a top QB. When they tried to trade up and get one it turned into a disaster. Unfortunately for them their opportunity to trade up happened in a bad year for QBs. The QBs they've had since Young were either mid or late round picks, trades for backups or free agent signings.

Buddy this regime started off in a dream scenario for any new coach/gm; they had the #2 overall pick and needed a QB. THEY completely f**ked that up. Knowing them; if they were to take a QB it probably would've been Trubisky instead of Watson or Mahomes so I guess it doesn't matter anyways

You know why they didn't draft a QB. They made the trade to get JG when they couldn't get Cousins. Stop redoing drafts after the fact. Anyone can say we shoud have done this or that after the results. They had to do a lot of rebuilding and they chose go after defense. Sure they could have drafted a QB and let him get the crap beat out of him like so many teams do. It's why many young QBs fail. They get drafted into an organization with no structure. The best teams add the QB after they have the O loner and defense in place. That way they have a chance to actually survive.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 49ers have rarely been in a position to draft a top QB. When they tried to trade up and get one it turned into a disaster. Unfortunately for them their opportunity to trade up happened in a bad year for QBs. The QBs they've had since Young were either mid or late round picks, trades for backups or free agent signings.

Buddy this regime started off in a dream scenario for any new coach/gm; they had the #2 overall pick and needed a QB. THEY completely f**ked that up. Knowing them; if they were to take a QB it probably would've been Trubisky instead of Watson or Mahomes so I guess it doesn't matter anyways

You know why they didn't draft a QB. They made the trade to get JG when they couldn't get Cousins. Stop redoing drafts after the fact. Anyone can say we shoud have done this or that after the results. They had to do a lot of rebuilding and they chose go after defense. Sure they could have drafted a QB and let him get the crap beat out of him like so many teams do. It's why many young QBs fail. They get drafted into an organization with no structure. The best teams add the QB after they have the O loner and defense in place. That way they have a chance to actually survive.

I actually don't know why they didn't draft a QB with the number 2 pick because THEY DID draft a QB in the 3rd round and gave up multiple picks.

Honestly you are sounding a bit contradictory; starting this whole thing off by saying the 49ers have rarely been in position to draft a top QB. Well in this case they were.

And I completely disagree with your last points. QB is obviously the most important position and the hardest position to find your franchise guy. More often than not that happens with a high first round pick. That's why teams throw the darts when they have top 5 picks.

Having a good OL and defense in place before addressing the QB position sounds great on paper; but a lot of regimes won't make it there without getting fired if the QB that is playing stinks. It kinda makes that good OL and defense all for naught.

I can't get over this stat. It reveals so much.
Brock in his 4 games played this season- on passes of 15+ yards downfield. The result?

1 TD
6 interception

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Mahomes without Kyle = 3 SB wins already.

Kyle would probably butcher his career with all the gimmick shifts and following the playbook to a T.

TH_I_I_I_IS!!!

People aren't seeing this yet, but I agree. Mahomes would still be a good player, but would he be Mahomes developing with Kyle?

Seeing how Kyle needed McNabb to relearn his fundamentals after going to like 5 pro bowls with Andy, my guess is no

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Mahomes without Kyle = 3 SB wins already.

Kyle would probably butcher his career with all the gimmick shifts and following the playbook to a T.

TH_I_I_I_IS!!!

People aren't seeing this yet, but I agree. Mahomes would still be a good player, but would he be Mahomes developing with Kyle?

Seeing how Kyle needed McNabb to relearn his fundamentals after going to like 5 pro bowls with Andy, my guess is no

That may be the big difference between the two. There are pluses and minuses with each coach. Kyle is a lot more strict with what he wants out of players abd what they can do before they ever see the field whereas Andy will work around you a bit. A player like Xavier Worthy may not even be active on this team whereas Andy will find a use for you.

What does all this endless back and forth over the 2017 draft have to do with Purdy?

This discussion has long ago jumped a whole school of sharks.

Originally posted by paulk205:
What does all this endless back and forth over the 2017 draft have to do with Purdy?

This discussion has long ago jumped a whole school of sharks.

Talking about what ifs as if they have any clue what might have happened…pretending one of the leagues best play callers wouldn't have success with an elite QB if f**king petty p***y s**t.

Gonna be Kyle's fault even though there's a massive correlation of poor QB play with Brock and any type of Inclement weather

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You start of with a hindsight comment and then criticize me of hindsight about Mahomes

I mean who knows if Watson would've done the same s**t with us as he did in Houston? And yes Mahomes was on others radars besides Andy Reid.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/26561055/drafting-patrick-mahomes-how-chiefs-outmaneuvered-nfl

And speak for yourself buddy; I did want him, along with a few others on this board. That was the most college tape I watched of a QB because as I've said; we had a new coach, a new gm, and a top 2 pick.

And as a bonus for you since you trying to puff your chest at me; in case you missed it, John Lynch wanted Kyle to take a look at him after being impressed with his pro day. Kyle was too blinded with Cousins and shut it down, it's well documented but I guess a lot of you like to pretend that didn't happen.

Well, I guess it's too bad you weren't working for the 49ers front office then, you could have set them straight. Fans always have their favorites, so I've no doubt there were others who saw Mahomes as a good bet. Unfortunately, Kyle. and most of the rest of the league, weren't among of them, So, go ahead pat yourself on the back. And yes, you're right he did have blinders on where Cousins, was concerned but they had a plan, and they stuck to it. And even though that draft ended up being a bit of a bust for them, outside of Kittle, they did a good enough job rebuilding the roster for them to take it to the Super Bowl two years later.

Also, just as and FYI, I've found that people who make ample use of the rolling on the floor laughing emoji are usually never being as clever as they think they're being. It just comes across as kind of arrogant and condescending. But I guess if the shoe fits....

Ummmm no they didn't. The plan was Cousins and obviously they didn't get him; so no they didn't stick to it.

And your last paragraph is just being petty because you were proven wrong. You gonna try to talk to me about arrogance; dude read what you wrote to me, I find that condescending and arrogant all the same. So touché you fit the same shoes.

Whats trying to be clever? Nothing I wrote was wrong. You on the other hand

I'm not sure you've proven anything other than my point. You seem to think that if you keep saying the same thing over and over again that it will somehow make you right when it is, in fact, just your opinion of how you think things should have gone down with the benefit of 8 years of hindsight.