QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:

Adjustment in the offense? Adjust your QB play no one has to throw into coverage or late with the ball what does that have to do with the offense? Run with the ball take a drop off pass.

This is the exact mentality that doesn't allow Kyle to grow. Once the QBs tendencies in the offense are figured out, there are no answers unless some Deebo thing or CMc trade happens. You see it in his disciples on other teams too. The QBs stop playing on time, and I think I'm starting to get why. I was a huge Jimmy fan and turned on him for Kyle, but Kyle has lost me since and I'm starting to see Jimmys side more. I'm not saying Jimmy was destined for greatness, but Kyle didn't help and he handles it wrong. Any chance McNabb had of resurrecting his career was completely shot dead by Kyle. I can't see him developing a young player and it scares me

You'd only really have an argument if Jimmy took off in a different place but he was a joke after leaving, despite reuniting with his old OC.

The skill of the player isn't the point, and there's no telling what Jimmy would be if he never ended up with Kyle. He was really promising and even making the Pats consider dropping Tom

The problem is the lack of adjustment and just the arrogance overall with players. Andy ran offense for years with McNabb but Kyle didn't know how or was too arrogant to adjust for a vet. That's alarming tbh

I think it's pretty clear Kyle definitely adjusts the offense for who's behind center.

We saw it firsthand WITH Jimmy. Trey as well.

He added runs for Trey and that's it. He might adjust play calling based on the qb, but he doesn't actually build his offense around the qb. Even if you're a multiple time pro bowler, sorry no can do lol

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
They had elite QB play for nearly 20 years. Young retired and they haven't found a legit top 5 QB since. There have been moments of great play here and there. But nothing consistent. No guy you could say "he will put us on our back and win the game"!!!. The past two SB's featured QB's with limitations. The team did good to get the most out of them. But eventually those limitations were exposed.

They need a physically gifted & mentally capable QB. A QB similar to that Maye kid in New England. Or an established guy like Josh Allen. Top of draft, great scouting, maybe pure luck. Need to look hard. Purdy is the guy for this season and probably next. But eventually they need a legit top 5 QB.

Of course, none of this matters if Purdy goes on a crazy streak and they win a SB. Then...all is good. But it's looking unlikely. Shanahan can only do so much.

Unfortunately they hitched their wagon to his horse as they would say with that contract. He's our QB for at least another 2 more seasons so the hope is he proves worthy of that deal...this assumes he doesn't completely come apart like Jimmy did.

When did Jimmy completely come apart?

When they asked him to run Shanahan's offense. That won't work.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
They had elite QB play for nearly 20 years. Young retired and they haven't found a legit top 5 QB since. There have been moments of great play here and there. But nothing consistent. No guy you could say "he will put us on our back and win the game"!!!. The past two SB's featured QB's with limitations. The team did good to get the most out of them. But eventually those limitations were exposed.

They need a physically gifted & mentally capable QB. A QB similar to that Maye kid in New England. Or an established guy like Josh Allen. Top of draft, great scouting, maybe pure luck. Need to look hard. Purdy is the guy for this season and probably next. But eventually they need a legit top 5 QB.

Of course, none of this matters if Purdy goes on a crazy streak and they win a SB. Then...all is good. But it's looking unlikely. Shanahan can only do so much.

Unfortunately they hitched their wagon to his horse as they would say with that contract. He's our QB for at least another 2 more seasons so the hope is he proves worthy of that deal...this assumes he doesn't completely come apart like Jimmy did.

When did Jimmy completely come apart?

When they asked him to run Shanahan's offense. That won't work.

The 49ers have rarely been in a position to draft a top QB. When they tried to trade up and get one it turned into a disaster. Unfortunately for them their opportunity to trade up happened in a bad year for QBs. The QBs they've had since Young were either mid or late round picks, trades for backups or free agent signings.

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:
it's fascinating reading through a lot of finger pointing and excuses to explain Brock's play. The answer is right in front of us. Avoidance and wishful thinking will not change reality. Brock is regressing. He is not growing and becoming better. He is young and could very well turn it around but we live in the now.. not the past and not the future. Now looks very bad. Now looks like the organization made a huge mistake with his contract. If you chart his development and performance it would resemble a bad investment.. bought high then crashed.. opponents have figured him out and they are making him pay. Those interceptions were not bad luck or tipped balls. Defenders were anticipating and he delivered for them. He is unable to complete passes to his teammates beyond 15 yards unless they are wide open with no defenders in sight. His magical talent was anticipating and delivering with accuracy. WAS… it isn't working anymore. He is holding the ball too long, electing for low percentage passes instead of taking what is given. It's painful to admit but it's true. Some already see what he is but for others it will take time and more Ls to agree.

He had a bad game. Did he regress against Arizona?

Tape don't lie. All of Brock's INTs could have easily been huge explosives or touch downs if the throws were better. We know Brock can throw accurate balls, it's never been an issue. If he was missing reads, you would have a point.

But the guy is just coming back and timing and chemistry need to be improved.

Add to this the fact that his #1 target has also missed several weeks and that's the simplest explanation.

There's nothing wrong with Brock Purdy. He took you to a Super Bowl, and had a good chance of doing the same his rookie year before the elbow injury. He is perfect for Kyle's offense, as he is very smart, with a quick mind reading defenses, and he seldom makes a poor decision. He just came off two months of not throwing due to injury. His accuracy is usually very good. Give the man a break. He's rusty, and his timing with his receivers likewise. His first two ints was poor ball placement behind his receivers, and the third was late allowing the safety to damn near run the width of the field too get there. His average gain per pass is still right at the top of the league. IMO, if his great play calling OC but not too bright HC had elected to kick in OT last time, we'd have doubled our chances of winning that SB. We're going to ride with Purdy, so I recommend we get on board and have some fun.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by irief:
Michael Jordan missed some shots, therefore Luke Walton was a great player. ???

There's a Lombardi tweet waiting for this comment, lol.

He was full of obscure stats to prove Jimmy's a top 3 QB. 🙄

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by irief:
Michael Jordan missed some shots, therefore Luke Walton was a great player. ???

Not sure what your point is or if it's directed towards my comment. If it was then you completely missed what I was saying.

Steph Curry misses three pointers, so Smush Parker was a top 5 player.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
There's nothing wrong with Brock Purdy. He took you to a Super Bowl, and had a good chance of doing the same his rookie year before the elbow injury. He is perfect for Kyle's offense, as he is very smart, with a quick mind reading defenses, and he seldom makes a poor decision. He just came off two months of not throwing due to injury. His accuracy is usually very good. Give the man a break. He's rusty, and his timing with his receivers likewise. His first two ints was poor ball placement behind his receivers, and the third was late allowing the safety to damn near run the width of the field too get there. His average gain per pass is still right at the top of the league. IMO, if his great play calling OC but not too bright HC had elected to kick in OT last time, we'd have doubled our chances of winning that SB. We're going to ride with Purdy, so I recommend we get on board and have some fun.

How about the other 5 throws that should've been picked. His been rusty for two seasons now. His limitations have made him too easy to figure out and defend. Deja vu!

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
He had a bad game. Did he regress against Arizona?

Tape don't lie. All of Brock's INTs could have easily been huge explosives or touch downs if the throws were better. We know Brock can throw accurate balls, it's never been an issue. If he was missing reads, you would have a point.

But the guy is just coming back and timing and chemistry need to be improved.

Add to this the fact that his #1 target has also missed several weeks and that's the simplest explanation.

I guess it's some think Brock should be able to check down or not make a throw into coverage or not throw late, and why has he dropped so far in the last 20 or so games?

And the other camp is the offense needs to be adjusted or it's where he missed time and he just needs time to get his feet back under him.

Outcome neither camp is going to see it the way the other one does.

IMO it's just bad QB play that can be fixed nothing
wrong with that. All QB's go through lulls Brock just needs to get his head right and if his toe is the cause then get that better.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I see a problem, and I see 0 adjustments again for a qb that needs to get his feet under him. You want to find a way to make Kyle's figured out play work through perfect execution, instead of going to the source of the problem. Why has this play gotten so predictable that the backside corner doesn't even stay home anymore? I'm tired of saying "oh that was just a great play by that guy peeling off his zone" on the same route every damn week. Let's stop banging our head against that wall for a sec

That was an outlier. The play has been successful many times. This time Purdy was late with the throw - not the coach's fault. Next time, add some influence to keep the CB home - hindsight.

Done.

Originally posted by bud49:
I guess it's some think Brock should be able to check down or not make a throw into coverage or not throw late, and why has he dropped so far in the last 20 or so games?

And the other camp is the offense needs to be adjusted or it's where he missed time and he just needs time to get his feet back under him.

Outcome neither camp is going to see it the way the other one does.

IMO it's just bad QB play that can be fixed nothing
wrong with that. All QB's go through lulls Brock just needs to get his head right and if his toe is the cause then get that better.

Ppeople are misremebering last year if they think he was bad all season. Had a great first Rams game. Had a great game vs the Cowboys. Its just the bad games have been very poor. Needs to find his consistency again.

Originally posted by dj43:
That was an outlier. The play has been successful many times. This time Purdy was late with the throw - not the coach's fault. Next time, add some influence to keep the CB home - hindsight.

Done.

Every bad play will always be Kyle's fault. Even he makes McCaffrey fumble.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I see a problem, and I see 0 adjustments again for a qb that needs to get his feet under him. You want to find a way to make Kyle's figured out play work through perfect execution, instead of going to the source of the problem. Why has this play gotten so predictable that the backside corner doesn't even stay home anymore? I'm tired of saying "oh that was just a great play by that guy peeling off his zone" on the same route every damn week. Let's stop banging our head against that wall for a sec

That was an outlier. The play has been successful many times. This time Purdy was late with the throw - not the coach's fault. Next time, add some influence to keep the CB home - hindsight.

Done.

It's not an outlier though. That route gets jumped every week and we continue to walk ourselves into it. Backside corner jumping the route is new, but only happened because of how predictable it's become, which is the coach's fault. It's a completion if Horn doesn't immediately know what we're running, so it starts with the predictability

And I'm not saying Brock isn't struggling on his own, what I'm saying is we need a coach that can adjust and help a qb out in these situations, not force everybody into what he wants and expect robotic play at all times. There needs to be more answer plays like the Chiefs ran on us at the end of the SB. Andy's over there getting layups for his offense and Kyle's like "man, if you guys were perfect all my plays would work!"