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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by genus49:
We're talking about the 3rd and 15 high pass to CMC that got us a first down?
Yes that would be the one
Throwing a 15-yard comeback route from the far hash to your RB vs a corner who's converted to man-cov is wild. Melton kind of seems surprised they even attempted this throw, lol pic.twitter.com/trNSGU3K5z
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) November 18, 2025
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Throwing a 15-yard comeback route from the far hash to your RB vs a corner who's converted to man-cov is wild. Melton kind of seems surprised they even attempted this throw, lol pic.twitter.com/trNSGU3K5z
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) November 18, 2025
I don't think this is a hospital pass.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Throwing a 15-yard comeback route from the far hash to your RB vs a corner who's converted to man-cov is wild. Melton kind of seems surprised they even attempted this throw, lol pic.twitter.com/trNSGU3K5z
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) November 18, 2025
I don't think this is a hospital pass.
And this is why Genus49 over obsession for people to watch twice is pointless. As I'm clearly watching this play again and i still think CMC is in a defenseless position where the DB could f**k him up if he plays this differently.
People are going to see what they want to see even if you watch multiple times.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems like the Brock fans are always looking to show evidence that he's great. I don't understand why anyone doesn't like Brock. He's a good QB and other than a couple of unfortunate injuries he's been very sturdy. There's no reason to keep trying to make a case for him to be an elite QB or top 10 or whatever. He works well in Kyle's system. That's all that counts. Some more physically gifted QBs might not be suited for this system because they want to go off script too much. Kyle likes structure and Brock does well in a structured system. Jones has shown he does as well. It makes no difference if he's in the top 5, top 10 or top 20 as long as he plays well enough for the team to win.
I consider myself a Brock fan. I've never had him in the top 5, even in 2023.
I have no problem with people having him in their top 10 and I don't particularly care if some don't...as long as they don't have him closer to 20 than 10.
However the bold part of your statement made me laugh considering just how this thread is going. I think Brock has had a ridiculous microscope on him at all times since he took over as the starting QB. Personally I had it on him early on until I bought all the way in.
But there is way more criticism for Brock than majority of other QBs. You can find a number of reasons why people keep pushing him down. Whether it's Shanahan, the avengers, Mac's play etc...
People are so caught up in their own opinions that they will dig into his game to absurd levels to make them feel right about him. And what I find funny are that some of the biggest critics refuse to take a 2nd look at the game with the same microscope they use to bash the guy in real time.
It's just difficult to give a guy like Brock credit unless he's somehow doing it with terrible coaching and terrible WRs. And yet the same people will talk up Mac...cuz we saw how well he played with worse offensive coaching and players around him. So what's the difference? He's a former first round pick so he automatically gets the benefit of the doubt?
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Throwing a 15-yard comeback route from the far hash to your RB vs a corner who's converted to man-cov is wild. Melton kind of seems surprised they even attempted this throw, lol pic.twitter.com/trNSGU3K5z
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) November 18, 2025
I don't think this is a hospital pass.
And this is why Genus49 over obsession for people to watch twice is pointless. As I'm clearly watching this play again and i still think CMC is in a defenseless position where the DB could f**k him up if he plays this differently.
People are going to see what they want to see even if you watch multiple times.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems like the Brock fans are always looking to show evidence that he's great. I don't understand why anyone doesn't like Brock. He's a good QB and other than a couple of unfortunate injuries he's been very sturdy. There's no reason to keep trying to make a case for him to be an elite QB or top 10 or whatever. He works well in Kyle's system. That's all that counts. Some more physically gifted QBs might not be suited for this system because they want to go off script too much. Kyle likes structure and Brock does well in a structured system. Jones has shown he does as well. It makes no difference if he's in the top 5, top 10 or top 20 as long as he plays well enough for the team to win.
I consider myself a Brock fan. I've never had him in the top 5, even in 2023.
I have no problem with people having him in their top 10 and I don't particularly care if some don't...as long as they don't have him closer to 20 than 10.
However the bold part of your statement made me laugh considering just how this thread is going. I think Brock has had a ridiculous microscope on him at all times since he took over as the starting QB. Personally I had it on him early on until I bought all the way in.
But there is way more criticism for Brock than majority of other QBs. You can find a number of reasons why people keep pushing him down. Whether it's Shanahan, the avengers, Mac's play etc...
People are so caught up in their own opinions that they will dig into his game to absurd levels to make them feel right about him. And what I find funny are that some of the biggest critics refuse to take a 2nd look at the game with the same microscope they use to bash the guy in real time.
It's just difficult to give a guy like Brock credit unless he's somehow doing it with terrible coaching and terrible WRs. And yet the same people will talk up Mac...cuz we saw how well he played with worse offensive coaching and players around him. So what's the difference? He's a former first round pick so he automatically gets the benefit of the doubt?
I too am a Brock fan. I actually had him borderline top 5 in 23. I even think he played pretty good on Sunday.
All my comments are for the exact people CatchMaster80 is talking about. The ones that think he learned from Mac. This game wasn't much different from SEA or Jax except A: the defense and special teams played complimentary football and got us some short fields and B: Arizona didn't take advantage of the opportunities he gave them.
Brock f**ked up and showed us how great he can be in 22/23. That is the standard that got him paid. That is the standard I'm personally holding him to. Not because i don't like him. Because he showed us that's what he can be.
Originally posted by krizay:
I too am a Brock fan. I actually had him borderline top 5 in 23. I even think he played pretty good on Sunday.
All my comments are for the exact people CatchMaster80 is talking about. The ones that think he learned from Mac. This game wasn't much different from SEA or Jax except A: the defense and special teams played complimentary football and got us some short fields and B: Arizona didn't take advantage of the opportunities he gave them.
Brock f**ked up and showed us how great he can be in 22/23. That is the standard that got him paid. That is the standard I'm personally holding him to. Not because i don't like him. Because he showed us that's what he can be.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't think Brock has changed that much from 22/23 vs 24/25.
This was Brock in 2023. He's always been willing to take risks for better or worse.
Originally posted by Cosmo:
Didn't Jimmy G do the same thing at the end of his first season here? Came in, lit the world on fire, got paid and then gradually declined.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems like the Brock fans are always looking to show evidence that he's great. I don't understand why anyone doesn't like Brock. He's a good QB and other than a couple of unfortunate injuries he's been very sturdy. There's no reason to keep trying to make a case for him to be an elite QB or top 10 or whatever. He works well in Kyle's system. That's all that counts. Some more physically gifted QBs might not be suited for this system because they want to go off script too much. Kyle likes structure and Brock does well in a structured system. Jones has shown he does as well. It makes no difference if he's in the top 5, top 10 or top 20 as long as he plays well enough for the team to win.
I consider myself a Brock fan. I've never had him in the top 5, even in 2023.
I have no problem with people having him in their top 10 and I don't particularly care if some don't...as long as they don't have him closer to 20 than 10.
However the bold part of your statement made me laugh considering just how this thread is going. I think Brock has had a ridiculous microscope on him at all times since he took over as the starting QB. Personally I had it on him early on until I bought all the way in.
But there is way more criticism for Brock than majority of other QBs. You can find a number of reasons why people keep pushing him down. Whether it's Shanahan, the avengers, Mac's play etc...
People are so caught up in their own opinions that they will dig into his game to absurd levels to make them feel right about him. And what I find funny are that some of the biggest critics refuse to take a 2nd look at the game with the same microscope they use to bash the guy in real time.
It's just difficult to give a guy like Brock credit unless he's somehow doing it with terrible coaching and terrible WRs. And yet the same people will talk up Mac...cuz we saw how well he played with worse offensive coaching and players around him. So what's the difference? He's a former first round pick so he automatically gets the benefit of the doubt?
I too am a Brock fan. I actually had him borderline top 5 in 23. I even think he played pretty good on Sunday.
All my comments are for the exact people CatchMaster80 is talking about. The ones that think he learned from Mac. This game wasn't much different from SEA or Jax except A: the defense and special teams played complimentary football and got us some short fields and B: Arizona didn't take advantage of the opportunities he gave them.
Brock f**ked up and showed us how great he can be in 22/23. That is the standard that got him paid. That is the standard I'm personally holding him to. Not because i don't like him. Because he showed us that's what he can be.
Originally posted by goodthings19:
I don't have any issue with this throw. Is it a little unconventional? Perhaps. But to sit here and chalk it up as a bad decision is a stretch in my opinion
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've never seen a QB that doesn't have his share of bad games. I watched Montana throw a lot of bad passes but the good ones are the ones we remember. That's human nature. Ranking QBs is kind of futile since they each play with different receivers behind different O lines and have a different OC. The only wayI ever rank them is in groups. Tier 1, 2 or 3. Most are in tier 3 for me. But even doing it like that doesn't make a lot of sense since performances can vary from week to week.
Right now Mahomes isn't playing really well but that doesn't mean he suddenly sucks. Brock played well last week especially considering he hadn't played in some time. He could have a bad game this week or next. In either case it's not changing my opinion of him. He's a good QB until he shows he can't run Kyle's offense and make the plays he needs to.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by goodthings19:
I don't have any issue with this throw. Is it a little unconventional? Perhaps. But to sit here and chalk it up as a bad decision is a stretch in my opinion
I never said it was a bad decision. I called it a hospital ball
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by goodthings19:
I don't have any issue with this throw. Is it a little unconventional? Perhaps. But to sit here and chalk it up as a bad decision is a stretch in my opinion
I never said it was a bad decision. I called it a hospital ball
It wasn't a hospital ball. He threw it before CMAC made his cut and the defender was still on CMC's hip. To me, it looked like he threw it past the marker and CMC's momentum post cut was taking him inside the marker towards the throw, thus the need to jump. I think it was awkward because it was slightly mistimed not sure by who, but was still a great route and great anticipation throw.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Throwing a 15-yard comeback route from the far hash to your RB vs a corner who's converted to man-cov is wild. Melton kind of seems surprised they even attempted this throw, lol pic.twitter.com/trNSGU3K5z
— JonnydelsFA (@jonnydels) November 18, 2025
I don't think this is a hospital pass.
And this is why Genus49 over obsession for people to watch twice is pointless. As I'm clearly watching this play again and i still think CMC is in a defenseless position where the DB could f**k him up if he plays this differently.
People are going to see what they want to see even if you watch multiple times.