QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems like the Brock fans are always looking to show evidence that he's great. I don't understand why anyone doesn't like Brock. He's a good QB and other than a couple of unfortunate injuries he's been very sturdy. There's no reason to keep trying to make a case for him to be an elite QB or top 10 or whatever. He works well in Kyle's system. That's all that counts. Some more physically gifted QBs might not be suited for this system because they want to go off script too much. Kyle likes structure and Brock does well in a structured system. Jones has shown he does as well. It makes no difference if he's in the top 5, top 10 or top 20 as long as he plays well enough for the team to win.

Brock is good. Personally that conversation is settled. However questions about Purdy being the guy persist because of his inability to stay healthy. If he gets hurt again and is shut down again then the questions on going forward with him as the franchise QB will get louder. We've all seen potentially great careers of athletes in all sports derailed because of their inability to stay healthy.

it's the Shanny Injury Jinx...

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Hard disagree there. I think this game showed he 100% has learned to adjust his game from watching Mac. He's not going to stop being Brock completely but I believe all the questionable throws were at least on key downs and he wasn't forcing anything on early downs. He didn't even try to make anything of the busted play understanding the score and situation and just went down. Brock from week 1 would've tried to make a play of that 100%.

There is a line to playing QB so safe that you cut down on the potential of your offense and being too aggressive and turnover prone. I don't want Brock losing all of his aggressiveness but he's got to save it for the right situations. Give your guys a chance sometimes. Other times just get rid of it.

I think this game was 100% a step in the right direction…but I also got a vibe like he's a tad hesitant to run the ball cuz that toe is still on his mind.

A wise man once said...

Originally posted by genus49:
Try watching with eyes open next time. It helps.

You watch the game again? Feel free to provide for me the plays you think make my take invalid. I'd be happy to check again. Until you do that simply saying stuff from your first watch doesn't change anything.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Antix:
I think with Purdy you have to live with the dumb throws. I dunno, he just does it at least once or twice every game no matter what. I feel like he does it more now as time goes on than he did as a rookie and in '23. Besides the ones that were picked there were the passes to JJ and CMC which were pretty unadvisavle too but luckily caught. Its just what it is with him and its probably not going anywhere.

To me, I wanna see him get better in the 4th quarter of close games. That's where I wanna see improvement and not throwing stupid passes in those critical situations.

Thank you. Didn't want to be the one to bring up these passes but trust me. Was on my mind. Especially the hospital ball to CMC.

We're talking about the 3rd and 15 high pass to CMC that got us a first down?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Hard disagree there. I think this game showed he 100% has learned to adjust his game from watching Mac. He's not going to stop being Brock completely but I believe all the questionable throws were at least on key downs and he wasn't forcing anything on early downs. He didn't even try to make anything of the busted play understanding the score and situation and just went down. Brock from week 1 would've tried to make a play of that 100%.

There is a line to playing QB so safe that you cut down on the potential of your offense and being too aggressive and turnover prone. I don't want Brock losing all of his aggressiveness but he's got to save it for the right situations. Give your guys a chance sometimes. Other times just get rid of it.

I think this game was 100% a step in the right direction…but I also got a vibe like he's a tad hesitant to run the ball cuz that toe is still on his mind.

A wise man once said...

Originally posted by genus49:
Try watching with eyes open next time. It helps.

You watch the game again? Feel free to provide for me the plays you think make my take invalid. I'd be happy to check again. Until you do that simply saying stuff from your first watch doesn't change anything.

young and promising QBs tend to play different (decision making) when they see their back up able to play well and can win games... they get back to basic and play within the system in order to not make any mistake due to the fear of getting benched.. you can tell B-Rock Steady Purdy was less aggressive against the Cards...

makes me wonder tho... Shanny's yet to add some DEEP POST PATTERN in his playbook since the days of Beathard and Pettis !!

Why don't we ever throw deep by design?

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Brock showed why he can be great with that TD to Kittle..and a few other plays as well. There was one where he evaded the pass rush right up the middle, with a subtle shoulder shift.... stepped up and made a great pass...

but this game also showed he hasn't learned s**t with his time off watching from the sidelines. Still careless with the ball when it's not necessary. Luckily it worked out this game because the Cards were totally fine do themselves in.

I'm hoping this game was just him knocking off some rust. There was one shot of Kyle talking to Brock when he was sitting on the bench, and Brock had a look of "yeah I know I shouldn't be doing that". So we'll see if that is the case, because if he starts getting it all together...we will be set, and finally the running game might open up as well...and we'll be even more deadly. Like old times.

Hard disagree there. I think this game showed he 100% has learned to adjust his game from watching Mac. He's not going to stop being Brock completely but I believe all the questionable throws were at least on key downs and he wasn't forcing anything on early downs. He didn't even try to make anything of the busted play understanding the score and situation and just went down. Brock from week 1 would've tried to make a play of that 100%.

There is a line to playing QB so safe that you cut down on the potential of your offense and being too aggressive and turnover prone. I don't want Brock losing all of his aggressiveness but he's got to save it for the right situations. Give your guys a chance sometimes. Other times just get rid of it.

I think this game was 100% a step in the right direction…but I also got a vibe like he's a tad hesitant to run the ball cuz that toe is still on his mind.

Like late last year and this year so far... he's made mistakes at bad times. Like these are mistakes others would get killed on for not having Quarterback IQ. Situational awareness...etc.

I believe there was a point yesterday where we were up 9pts. (19-10?)... and in FG range. A FG makes it a 12 pt game... so a TD + two pt conversion) + FG wouldn't be enough. They would need two TDs or TD with two FGs.

He almost turned the ball over.

Here is my reaction when it happened, along with everyone else in real time.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/198260-49ers-cardinals-game-day-thread-2025/page56/

Again we got past the Cards. Just have to hope, again, that he learns from it. I just don't like to BS myself with what I see. I see the good, I see the potential, but I also see the obvious (which is the bad).

And that's why I urge everyone here to rewatch the game and then comment. I personally turn off my twitter notifications and stay off the web while watching the game because I know my first impressions aren't always accurate. I generally don't like to comment on player performance until I at least rewatch the game without the adrenaline of seeing things in real time.

And I'm sorry but almost turned the ball over is not an issue for me. I talked about that play and it's a play I am fine with him making...just need him to make a better throw because that's the part that was bad on there. Real time I thought he was throwing to Robinson...it's actually who the target is shown to be in All22 for that play. However I believe he was trying to throw it in front of JJ who he clearly trusts in contested catch situations. The throw was poor and that's why it looked so bad.

However once again...it was 3rd down. It also should've been 21-10 and we've scored TDs 3 of our first 5 drives. I'm fine with him taking a shot in that situation. Had that been on 1st and 2nd down then you'd have a point.

You don't want to neuter your QB completely. I'd rather we play for TDs considering vs better teams FGs won't get it done...especially if Eddy is injured.

Now can anyone show me Brock playing so called hero ball in this game? Because I can show you several plays where he decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and he threw the ball away.

Originally posted by genus49:
We're talking about the 3rd and 15 high pass to CMC that got us a first down?

Yes that would be the one

Originally posted by genus49:
And that's why I urge everyone here to rewatch the game and then comment. I personally turn off my twitter notifications and stay off the web while watching the game because I know my first impressions aren't always accurate. I generally don't like to comment on player performance until I at least rewatch the game without the adrenaline of seeing things in real time.

And I'm sorry but almost turned the ball over is not an issue for me. I talked about that play and it's a play I am fine with him making...just need him to make a better throw because that's the part that was bad on there. Real time I thought he was throwing to Robinson...it's actually who the target is shown to be in All22 for that play. However I believe he was trying to throw it in front of JJ who he clearly trusts in contested catch situations. The throw was poor and that's why it looked so bad.

However once again...it was 3rd down. It also should've been 21-10 and we've scored TDs 3 of our first 5 drives. I'm fine with him taking a shot in that situation. Had that been on 1st and 2nd down then you'd have a point.

You don't want to neuter your QB completely. I'd rather we play for TDs considering vs better teams FGs won't get it done...especially if Eddy is injured.

Now can anyone show me Brock playing so called hero ball in this game? Because I can show you several plays where he decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and he threw the ball away.

This is why re-watching a game is pointless. We all have what we want to see from our QB. Everyone's flavor is different. Which is OK. Some like you will be ok with certain stuff while others like me want something different. That's just what it is.

Re-watching a game and pointing out something that bothers me isn't going to change what it is you're looking for or what you're OK with.

Just as the QBs all over the league play the position differently. We as fans all over the world watch and want(for lack of a better word) differently.

Originally posted by jed_X:
Can we take off the layered throw between the safeties and linebackers in the middle off the playbook? Seems like whenever brock attempts to throw there it's getting intercepted half the time. It used to be a strength of his in 2023 now it's a weakness.

No...

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems like the Brock fans are always looking to show evidence that he's great. I don't understand why anyone doesn't like Brock. He's a good QB and other than a couple of unfortunate injuries he's been very sturdy. There's no reason to keep trying to make a case for him to be an elite QB or top 10 or whatever. He works well in Kyle's system. That's all that counts. Some more physically gifted QBs might not be suited for this system because they want to go off script too much. Kyle likes structure and Brock does well in a structured system. Jones has shown he does as well. It makes no difference if he's in the top 5, top 10 or top 20 as long as he plays well enough for the team to win.

I consider myself a Brock fan. I've never had him in the top 5, even in 2023.

I have no problem with people having him in their top 10 and I don't particularly care if some don't...as long as they don't have him closer to 20 than 10.

However the bold part of your statement made me laugh considering just how this thread is going. I think Brock has had a ridiculous microscope on him at all times since he took over as the starting QB. Personally I had it on him early on until I bought all the way in.

But there is way more criticism for Brock than majority of other QBs. You can find a number of reasons why people keep pushing him down. Whether it's Shanahan, the avengers, Mac's play etc...

People are so caught up in their own opinions that they will dig into his game to absurd levels to make them feel right about him. And what I find funny are that some of the biggest critics refuse to take a 2nd look at the game with the same microscope they use to bash the guy in real time.

It's just difficult to give a guy like Brock credit unless he's somehow doing it with terrible coaching and terrible WRs. And yet the same people will talk up Mac...cuz we saw how well he played with worse offensive coaching and players around him. So what's the difference? He's a former first round pick so he automatically gets the benefit of the doubt?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems like the Brock fans are always looking to show evidence that he's great. I don't understand why anyone doesn't like Brock. He's a good QB and other than a couple of unfortunate injuries he's been very sturdy. There's no reason to keep trying to make a case for him to be an elite QB or top 10 or whatever. He works well in Kyle's system. That's all that counts. Some more physically gifted QBs might not be suited for this system because they want to go off script too much. Kyle likes structure and Brock does well in a structured system. Jones has shown he does as well. It makes no difference if he's in the top 5, top 10 or top 20 as long as he plays well enough for the team to win.

Brock is good. Personally that conversation is settled. However questions about Purdy being the guy persist because of his inability to stay healthy. If he gets hurt again and is shut down again then the questions on going forward with him as the franchise QB will get louder. We've all seen potentially great careers of athletes in all sports derailed because of their inability to stay healthy.

it's the Shanny Injury Jinx...

His injuries aren't becuse he's not huge or because he runs around too much. They were just bad luck. His arm gets hit just as he's throwing a pass. Boom. Torn elbow ligament. It could happen to any QB on any dropback. Then he ends up with turf toe. Another injury that has nothing to do with size or conditioning. Big linemen get them. So do receivers.

He's not injury prone. He's just been unlucky. He could go the next 5 years without any significant injury.

Originally posted by krizay:
This is why re-watching a game is pointless. We all have what we want to see from our QB. Everyone's flavor is different. Which is OK. Some like you will be ok with certain stuff while others like me want something different. That's just what it is.

Re-watching a game and pointing out something that bothers me isn't going to change what it is you're looking for or what you're OK with.

Just as the QBs all over the league play the position differently. We as fans all over the world watch and want(for lack of a better word) differently.

lol ok man...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jed_X:
Can we take off the layered throw between the safeties and linebackers in the middle off the playbook? Seems like whenever brock attempts to throw there it's getting intercepted half the time. It used to be a strength of his in 2023 now it's a weakness.

No...

genus49 must love interceptions and almost interceptions. Or is it the hospital balls up high across the middle that get you going?

Originally posted by krizay:
Thank you. Didn't want to be the one to bring up these passes but trust me. Was on my mind. Especially the hospital ball to CMC.

Yeah he probably should have just ate the sack there like Mac or previous QBs would have done instead of making a great play getting the ball to one of his playmakers while being hit right when releasing the ball.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems like the Brock fans are always looking to show evidence that he's great. I don't understand why anyone doesn't like Brock. He's a good QB and other than a couple of unfortunate injuries he's been very sturdy. There's no reason to keep trying to make a case for him to be an elite QB or top 10 or whatever. He works well in Kyle's system. That's all that counts. Some more physically gifted QBs might not be suited for this system because they want to go off script too much. Kyle likes structure and Brock does well in a structured system. Jones has shown he does as well. It makes no difference if he's in the top 5, top 10 or top 20 as long as he plays well enough for the team to win.

This is an absurd statement. It is literally the exact opposite.

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jed_X:
Can we take off the layered throw between the safeties and linebackers in the middle off the playbook? Seems like whenever brock attempts to throw there it's getting intercepted half the time. It used to be a strength of his in 2023 now it's a weakness.

No...

genus49 must love interceptions and almost interceptions. Or is it the hospital balls up high across the middle that get you going?

What gets me going are when people can back up their wild claims with what actually happened.

Quick show me an interception Brock threw.

Show me the hospital balls up high across the middle he threw.

And no i don't give a damn about almost interceptions.

Look forward to your answer and specific plays you're talking about. You don't need to even give me the clips. Just tell me what time in the game they happened and I'll dig them up.