QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:
You can't be serious. The success rate of getting a 1st down on 2nd and 5 vs. 2nd and 8 is a big difference. And you simply don't check down on 1st and 10 and take 5 or 2 yards "just because it's there" when you have an open WR in the middle of the field for a potential TD.

You'd be much better off just admitting that it was the right decision, and then continue arguing that the throw was bad and what caused the INT (which is also false but at least you won't be arguing a stupid point).

Not the argument I made. He shouldn't have taken the checkdown simply because it was there. He should have taken it because he had to hold the ball waiting for CMC's route to clear through traffic. Holding the ball allowed that rusher to get up on his throwing arm and altered the release of the pass. Again… LOOK at how he releases that ball.

The route and timing of the play was disrupted. It was good defense. Brock can be smart and get off of it. Or we can continue to force the issue and give the ball to the other team as he has many many times going back to last season.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

#SF Advanced QB Stats by Week

Brock usually holds the ball longer and pushes it deeper downfield than Mac Jones. pic.twitter.com/sLskniDI0K

— SFdata9ers🏈📊 (@sfdata9ers) September 30, 2025

I feel like you can see the effect of the metatarsophalangeal joint sprain in the CPOE numbers. Brock didn't just forget how to throw the ball after two weeks.

All these stats, charts and graphs are for stat geeks and fantasy league players. They don't matter in ther real NFL. Only 2 things matter.

Wins and money. Unfortunately some players value money over wins.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by dj43:
Good point.

Now imagine the uneasiness Purdy feels when he looks around and sees Bourne, Moore, and Tonges, trying to run patterns that he can trust.

Bourne, Moore and Tonges wasn't even on the team when his issues started. This game was not a one off.

It's ridiculous

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Actually that is YOUR position because you loved QBR when arguing against Jimmy G. I am explaining my reasons for changing my mind and admitting I was wrong about Jimmy G.

Feel free to clear the air about your position on QBR, and if you've changed your mind on it, why.

I don't love any singular stat, lol. Find posts for me saying x qb played well because his qbr is this. They don't exist. I routinely argue that stats are misleading.

I wasn't even arguing against Jimmy G in those conversations. Certainly not in any conversation where the other option was Trey Lance.

You're talking out of your ass as usual because you got caught being a hypocrite. Again, your words couldn't be more clear. You hated QBR when it worked against your argument, and promoted passer rating instead. Now you ignore passer rating and promote QBR. Receipts will always be a problem for people like you.

Here is the post of mine that you found and quoted last night, since you're trying to now weasel out of this:

'QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.'
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'You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.'
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'So a written summary of the theory of what they're attempting to do is a better argument than the actual results of the calculation of their method? Come on, bro. Lol.

There are NINE QB's ranked ahead of Jimmy in QBR who he is clearly outplaying. You cannot find 9 QB's ranked lower than Jimmy in passer rating that are outplaying him. I doubt you can even find 5.

QB rating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QBR'

Clearly the conversation was about Jimmy and QBR and how he was not ranked highly in QBR. Like I said, I have admitted I was wrong about Jimmy; and also wrong about QBR, for similar reasons. I am also not saying that any one stat is perfect nor am I saying passer rating doesn't matter. But we're hearing posters say that Purdy is "bottom half" in the NFL and "playing poorly." If you only look at passer rating, that would make sense. But when you also look at QBR (which adjusts for drops and adds in other aspects of playing QB), you can see a more clear picture of his play.

So again, you liked QBR when it favored your argument against Jimmy, but now you don't like it when it hurts your argument against Purdy. The difference is I am admitting that I was wrong about Jimmy and QBR, and explaining why. You are not explaining why you have changed your mind on QBR. As usual, you're distracting from the discussion and trying to pivot to some weird argument about me.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yes, you have made that abundantly clear. However, what you havent made clear is where there is actually a definitive "easy 5 yard completion" to be had on this play. Juice is 2ish yards behind the line of scrimmage, standing flat footed with his back to the direction we are headed, with a linebacker closing in on him. You are banking on him catching the ball, turning around, and either juking the closing linebacker or running over him. In no way can you definitively claim that there was a 5 yard gain to be had on this play.

I guess it's about as clear as you saying if CMC catches it's an "easy" TD lol. You're banking on a ridiculous throw to be hit with pin point accuracy, with a guy in Brock's face and hope no one tips the ball in the middle of the field….then no one tackles CMC.

but yes the chance of juice making a positive play on 1st down is so dramatic

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You can't be serious. The success rate of getting a 1st down on 2nd and 5 vs. 2nd and 8 is a big difference. And you simply don't check down on 1st and 10 and take 5 or 2 yards "just because it's there" when you have an open WR in the middle of the field for a potential TD.

You'd be much better off just admitting that it was the right decision, and then continue arguing that the throw was bad and what caused the INT (which is also false but at least you won't be arguing a stupid point).

Not the argument I made. He shouldn't have taken the checkdown simply because it was there. He should have taken it because he had to hold the ball waiting for CMC's route to clear through traffic. Holding the ball allowed that rusher to get up on his throwing arm and altered the release of the pass. Again… LOOK at how he releases that ball.

The route and timing of the play was disrupted. It was good defense. Brock can be smart and get off of it. Or we can continue to force the issue and give the ball to the other team as he has many many times going back to last season.

Here you go again, not quoting the entire string of comments, hoping that people won't look back to see what you said.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yes, you have made that abundantly clear. However, what you havent made clear is where there is actually a definitive "easy 5 yard completion" to be had on this play. Juice is 2ish yards behind the line of scrimmage, standing flat footed with his back to the direction we are headed, with a linebacker closing in on him. You are banking on him catching the ball, turning around, and either juking the closing linebacker or running over him. In no way can you definitively claim that there was a 5 yard gain to be had on this play.

5 yards, 2 yards, it doesn't actually matter. It's taking what is there, and moving on to the next play instead of forcing a bigger play that ends up in a turnover.

Many people who have defended that decision have described it as 'it's who Brock is'. We are supposed to be improving in this area. Again, Brock has specifically addressed his need to take what's there and not force bigger plays. It is a point of emphasis, yet we have fans who think this problem… and it is a problem going back for some time… should be reinforced.

"5 yards, 2 yards, it doesn't actually matter." YOUR words.

Yes, it does matter, A LOT. There was NOT an option for a guaranteed 5 yards as you and others have been arguing. Juice was 2-3 yards behind the LOS, back facing the defense, flat footed, defender closing in. And you and others have argued for days now that THAT was the "right read" and that Purdy should have just thrown it to him. You've argued that the decision to throw to CMC was a "YOLO pass" and not the right read.

But we fully understand now that you want a checkdown QB to "take what's there." Even though we had that with Jimmy G and you hated it and said that we needed a more aggressive QB. Like I said, some fans are just grumpy and negative and like to complain about everything.

While most of you are yapping at each other over just how poorly Brock played he is now ruled out for Thursday. He was not ready to return and the team decision to allow him to play last week cost us the game. For the life of me I can't understand why they let him play. I can understand it if Mac was in worse shape… who knows. A healthy Mac is better than a banged up Brock. I hope we don't repeat the mistake and I hope we get A HEALTHY Brock back soon. s**t show of injuries continues. God bless Kyle for not losing his s**t completely.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yes, you have made that abundantly clear. However, what you havent made clear is where there is actually a definitive "easy 5 yard completion" to be had on this play. Juice is 2ish yards behind the line of scrimmage, standing flat footed with his back to the direction we are headed, with a linebacker closing in on him. You are banking on him catching the ball, turning around, and either juking the closing linebacker or running over him. In no way can you definitively claim that there was a 5 yard gain to be had on this play.

5 yards, 2 yards, it doesn't actually matter. It's taking what is there, and moving on to the next play instead of forcing a bigger play that ends up in a turnover.

Many people who have defended that decision have described it as 'it's who Brock is'. We are supposed to be improving in this area. Again, Brock has specifically addressed his need to take what's there and not force bigger plays. It is a point of emphasis, yet we have fans who think this problem… and it is a problem going back for some time… should be reinforced.

And for the umpteenth time, this is NOT an example of forcing a big play. CMC was open. It was a bad throw.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yes, you have made that abundantly clear. However, what you havent made clear is where there is actually a definitive "easy 5 yard completion" to be had on this play. Juice is 2ish yards behind the line of scrimmage, standing flat footed with his back to the direction we are headed, with a linebacker closing in on him. You are banking on him catching the ball, turning around, and either juking the closing linebacker or running over him. In no way can you definitively claim that there was a 5 yard gain to be had on this play.

I guess it's about as clear as you saying if CMC catches it's an "easy" TD lol. You're banking on a ridiculous throw to be hit with pin point accuracy, with a guy in Brock's face and hope no one tips the ball in the middle of the field….then no one tackles CMC.

but yes the chance of juice making a positive play on 1st down is so dramatic

Do we need to keep rehashing this? CMC was open. No one was going to "tip the ball in the middle of the field" because there isnt a player within 5 yards of him when t he ball arrives. There is a clear window to hit him, it was just a high throw. I say its an easy TD if he throws it accurately because there wasnt a player in on the screen that is fast enough to make up a 5 yard difference that they would have had to make up to catch up to CMC.

LOL at describing that as a "ridiculous throw." Its a throw Brock has made time and time again.

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:
While most of you are yapping at each other over just how poorly Brock played he is now ruled out for Thursday. He was not ready to return and the team decision to allow him to play last week cost us the game. For the life of me I can't understand why they let him play. I can understand it if Mac was in worse shape… who knows. A healthy Mac is better than a banged up Brock. I hope we don't repeat the mistake and I hope we get A HEALTHY Brock back soon. s**t show of injuries continues. God bless Kyle for not losing his s**t completely.

Mac Jones was more injured than Purdy was, which is why Purdy played.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Keep hedging bud.

I haven't moved a goalpost one inch in this conversation. It was a bad pass and a bad decision. I've supported those positions in detail. You can continue to contort yourself to minimize Brock's responsibility on the play.

Pardon the interruption: I've been lurking but no time to post.

I can agree it was not a good pass, however, based on the circumstances, it was not a bad decision. We should never judge the decision based only on results.

Would you rather have the ball in the hands of your #1 playmaker on the team (CMC) in an area where he might take it to the house, or toss it to your fullback who MIGHT pick up a first down if he can shake a tackle?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:
While most of you are yapping at each other over just how poorly Brock played he is now ruled out for Thursday. He was not ready to return and the team decision to allow him to play last week cost us the game. For the life of me I can't understand why they let him play. I can understand it if Mac was in worse shape… who knows. A healthy Mac is better than a banged up Brock. I hope we don't repeat the mistake and I hope we get A HEALTHY Brock back soon. s**t show of injuries continues. God bless Kyle for not losing his s**t completely.

Mac Jones was more injured than Purdy was, which is why Purdy played.

It's not what they reported… but was clearly the case. I can understand that.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Yes, it's called a Metatarsophalangeal joint sprain, otherwise known as "turf toe".

Someone called it 'death foot'. Much better…

Channel your inner Ronnie Lott, BP, chop it off, and get back out there.

For the record, the pass to CMC was no worse than this one, which he caught:

They rushed him back into that Jacksonville game and he probably maintained he was fine. Should have started Jones last week; if so we win that game.