QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Objectively, Brock is not our main issue. Weapons are injured, OL is trash, CMC looks cooked and can't run the ball, WR's dropping balls and running into each other. Purdy's 2nd INT was a bad decision no doubt. The one to CMC batting it up in the air is not on him. Bourne couldn't catch a cold and had he caught that long one on 3rd down, he might have scored. Instead the next play the Jags ran the punt back for a TD. Purdy's fumble was like 2 seconds after the snap - we can't block for 2 seconds? Luke Farrell fumble. Jennings TD drop. And that's not even mentioning the defense's complete inability to generate a pass rush with Bosa out.

Yet you and others are in here crying about Purdy and expect him to overcome all of that. Same group of you, same stupid "arguments."

It was 100 percent on Purdy. It's an inaccurate ball into the middle of the field and it was a bad decision. You can't throw high balls into the middle of field and expect good results, and again his checkdown was wide open in front of him. It was 1st and 10. This is a recurring issue. He's noted it himself.

Also faulting Jennings for a TD drop is something I've seen multiple people say, including The Sanchize during the broadcast. That was a very poorly placed ball. It was low, which was good, but it was also behind Jennings. Guy had to effectively dive backwards for a chance to catch it. One of many poorly placed balls yesterday, which is unusual for Brock (and why I think he was obviously hurt).

100% lol. It was a little high, reach up and catch it. Instead he one hands it and then starts batting it up. It would have gone for 20+ yards, and you're arguing for him to check it down to a slow FB for 3-4 yards? I thought we all agreed that type of QB play was not going to get us over the hump.

Jennings dropped it. It hit both of his hands. Low and away from the defender to protect him and make it a safe pass. Waist high and leading him towards the middle would have put Jennings at risk (Jimmy's favorite thing to do).

A couple of the short throws that were dropped I think were on Purdy for throwing it harder than it needed to be. He definitely seemed off from his normal self. Just not as bad as some are making it sound. The team around him played like ASS but he kept it close and gave them a chance.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You say CMC looks cooked and can't run but you also say the O line is trash. How you going to run the ball when the O line isn't opening holes and the edge blockers aren't doing their job. Have you been watching? Half the time the defense is on the RB as soon as he gets the ball. All he can do is fight to get whatever yardage he can. I remember when thye were gashng teams and there were holes big enough to drive a truck through. Those aren't there now.

I think the pass protection has been better than a lot of fans seem to think. Run blocking probably a different story. We seem to consistently struggle when Kittle is down, and our anchor (TW) is nearing the end of his career.

Getting the run game going is key to making our offensive more effective. We don't want to be pass happy with a gutted group of skill players and a QB with a tendency to want to do too much.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I mean it's a legitimate point. I haven't really been in this thread in almost a year, and NY is still going on about the same nonsense. He clearly hasn't gotten over his crush on Lance.

Clearly you haven't been here for a yr if you think that's what I've been going on about.

the fact you can't get over this Lance debate is a you problem bud. I haven't talked about him….at this point it's a s**t rebuttal rooted in emotional nonsense. It just shows you're unwilling you are to keep things objective.

Objectively, Brock is not our main issue. Weapons are injured, OL is trash, CMC looks cooked and can't run the ball, WR's dropping balls and running into each other. Purdy's 2nd INT was a bad decision no doubt. The one to CMC batting it up in the air is not on him. Bourne couldn't catch a cold and had he caught that long one on 3rd down, he might have scored. Instead the next play the Jags ran the punt back for a TD. Purdy's fumble was like 2 seconds after the snap - we can't block for 2 seconds? Luke Farrell fumble. Jennings TD drop. And that's not even mentioning the defense's complete inability to generate a pass rush with Bosa out.

Yet you and others are in here crying about Purdy and expect him to overcome all of that. Same group of you, same stupid "arguments."

You say CMC looks cooked and can't run but you also say the O line is trash. How you going to run the ball when the O line isn't opening holes and the edge blockers aren't doing their job. Have you been watching? Half the time the defense is on the RB as soon as he gets the ball. All he can do is fight to get whatever yardage he can. I remember when thye were gashng teams and there were holes big enough to drive a truck through. Those aren't there now.

Hands on balls says our OL coach.

We use to be able to put anyone at running back and we would dominate. Not anymore.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You say CMC looks cooked and can't run but you also say the O line is trash. How you going to run the ball when the O line isn't opening holes and the edge blockers aren't doing their job. Have you been watching? Half the time the defense is on the RB as soon as he gets the ball. All he can do is fight to get whatever yardage he can. I remember when thye were gashng teams and there were holes big enough to drive a truck through. Those aren't there now.

I think the pass protection has been better than a lot of fans seem to think. Run blocking probably a different story. We seem to consistently struggle when Kittle is down, and our anchor (TW) is nearing the end of his career.

Getting the run game going is key to making our offensive more effective. We don't want to be pass happy with a gutted group of skill players and a QB with a tendency to want to do too much.

No running game and we are done even with a healthy WR/TE group. Your right, Purdy chucking it all over the yard is a recipe to lose.

Let me backtrack, mediocrity is not the correct term. There are plays converted consistently in each game that would make ESPN top plays 30 years ago.

Parity. We committed 4 turnovers (1 being desperation). Fighting the odds there. We will rebound.

Purdy has been sacked twice and hit 7 times in the 2 games he played. Herbert has been sacked 7 times and hit 26 times in the last 2 games he played. The Chargers O line is an absolute mess now with Slater and his replacement injured. Good thing Purdy isn't playing there. He would be in the hospital.

Originally posted by Furlow:
100% lol. It was a little high, reach up and catch it. Instead he one hands it and then starts batting it up. It would have gone for 20+ yards, and you're arguing for him to check it down to a slow FB for 3-4 yards? I thought we all agreed that type of QB play was not going to get us over the hump.

Jennings dropped it. It hit both of his hands. Low and away from the defender to protect him and make it a safe pass. Waist high and leading him towards the middle would have put Jennings at risk (Jimmy's favorite thing to do).

A couple of the short throws that were dropped I think were on Purdy for throwing it harder than it needed to be. He definitely seemed off from his normal self. Just not as bad as some are making it sound. The team around him played like ASS but he kept it close and gave them a chance.

CMC fully outstretched got one hand on it… in traffic. It was a bad throw and a bad decision and your straw man argument about fans generally wanting a more aggressive QB is useless. I want a QB who sees the field well, throws accurate balls, and makes good decisions. That includes not leaving big plays on the field which Brock's predecessor did consistently. That does not mean I want the QB to throw ill advised, inaccurate, YOLO balls into coverage when there is a completely viable 1st down gain with no risk right in front of him. It's bad QB'ing.

Again, the Jennings throw was low… which was good. I said that specifically. I didn't say anything about it needing to be waist high. It was behind him though and was poorly placed. He was inaccurate throughout the day and that was an example of it. It hit both of Jennings hands because it was a high level effort play by Jennings.

Brock is playing Hero ball. If you want a game manager then switch over to Seattle

It is easier to dial down bravado than dial up p***y

I don't think Brock has it in him to play scared. That's not his game. The people in this thread asking him to turn into Alex Smith are going to be disappointed. He was off on some throws yesterday, but I hope that he doesn't let that change his mentality.

I think once his foot mostly heals and we get Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, and Ben Bartch back we'll be fine. If we're honest, this offense has never looked particularly good without Kittle.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I mean it's a legitimate point. I haven't really been in this thread in almost a year, and NY is still going on about the same nonsense. He clearly hasn't gotten over his crush on Lance.

Clearly you haven't been here for a yr if you think that's what I've been going on about.

the fact you can't get over this Lance debate is a you problem bud. I haven't talked about him….at this point it's a s**t rebuttal rooted in emotional nonsense. It just shows you're unwilling you are to keep things objective.

Objectively, Brock is not our main issue. Weapons are injured, OL is trash, CMC looks cooked and can't run the ball, WR's dropping balls and running into each other. Purdy's 2nd INT was a bad decision no doubt. The one to CMC batting it up in the air is not on him. Bourne couldn't catch a cold and had he caught that long one on 3rd down, he might have scored. Instead the next play the Jags ran the punt back for a TD. Purdy's fumble was like 2 seconds after the snap - we can't block for 2 seconds? Luke Farrell fumble. Jennings TD drop. And that's not even mentioning the defense's complete inability to generate a pass rush with Bosa out.

Yet you and others are in here crying about Purdy and expect him to overcome all of that. Same group of you, same stupid "arguments."

You say CMC looks cooked and can't run but you also say the O line is trash. How you going to run the ball when the O line isn't opening holes and the edge blockers aren't doing their job. Have you been watching? Half the time the defense is on the RB as soon as he gets the ball. All he can do is fight to get whatever yardage he can. I remember when thye were gashng teams and there were holes big enough to drive a truck through. Those aren't there now.

OL pass blocking is trash, they are still solid run blocking. I would agree not as good as previous years though. As for CMC, he is just a shell of his former self, it's tough to watch. That Super Bowl run and what he sacrificed was amazing and I hate to even say a bad word about him, he is a true soldier and gives it everything he can. It's just not there anymore. He can't break a tackle to save his life.

Right now he's at 3.3 ypc and his longest run is 15 yards. Robinson is averaging 4.4 ypc and his longest is 19 yards; and he looks way more explosive and strong. Robinson needs to get more carries and CMC needs to be limited to 10-12 carries per game. Especially if CMC is going to be getting 10 passing targets per game (which is also dumb because those are normally checkdowns which lead to big hits). He's getting yards simply because of the volume of touches, but it's totally unsustainable and he's going to get injured again if Kyle doesn't drastically reduce his usage.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't think Brock has it in him to play scared. That's not his game. The people in this thread asking him to turn into Alex Smith are going to be disappointed. He was off on some throws yesterday, but I hope that he doesn't let that change his mentality.

I think once his foot mostly heals and we get Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, and Ben Bartch back we'll be fine.

It's about making proper reads and taking what the defense affords you whether that's a deep shot down the field or a checkdown. We don't want a QB to force the ball downfield because it's exciting. We also don't want* QB's to miss opportunities because they make a single read and then bail on a play with a checkdown.

It's a more complicated issue than whether or not a QB has courage.

Brock has got to start!!!! Don't want this dude sitting on the bench. I still got faith in the kid and hope for the best!!! He needs Kittle back !!!

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I don't think Brock has it in him to play scared. That's not his game. The people in this thread asking him to turn into Alex Smith are going to be disappointed. He was off on some throws yesterday, but I hope that he doesn't let that change his mentality.

I think once his foot mostly heals and we get Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, and Ben Bartch back we'll be fine. If we're honest, this offense has never looked particularly good without Kittle.

Agreed. Brock's gunslinger is arguably his best asset (in smaller tool box). Live & die by the balls. Hope is bring back injured stars and must find a running game.

This is a Playoff team. Growing pains we all knew would exist. Just maybe in different areas. Thats a team.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You say CMC looks cooked and can't run but you also say the O line is trash. How you going to run the ball when the O line isn't opening holes and the edge blockers aren't doing their job. Have you been watching? Half the time the defense is on the RB as soon as he gets the ball. All he can do is fight to get whatever yardage he can. I remember when thye were gashng teams and there were holes big enough to drive a truck through. Those aren't there now.

I think the pass protection has been better than a lot of fans seem to think. Run blocking probably a different story. We seem to consistently struggle when Kittle is down, and our anchor (TW) is nearing the end of his career.

Getting the run game going is key to making our offensive more effective. We don't want to be pass happy with a gutted group of skill players and a QB with a tendency to want to do too much.

No running game and we are done even with a healthy WR/TE group. Your right, Purdy chucking it all over the yard is a recipe to lose.

I don't disagree but you have to also remember who the f was he throwing to? Our what 4,5,6 receivers. I mean cmon. Everyone's so quick to point out his corp help with Mcaffrey kittle Debo yuk juice Jennings when the times are going good you can't neglect the fact that our 4/5/6 would barely make a roster.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
100% lol. It was a little high, reach up and catch it. Instead he one hands it and then starts batting it up. It would have gone for 20+ yards, and you're arguing for him to check it down to a slow FB for 3-4 yards? I thought we all agreed that type of QB play was not going to get us over the hump.

Jennings dropped it. It hit both of his hands. Low and away from the defender to protect him and make it a safe pass. Waist high and leading him towards the middle would have put Jennings at risk (Jimmy's favorite thing to do).

A couple of the short throws that were dropped I think were on Purdy for throwing it harder than it needed to be. He definitely seemed off from his normal self. Just not as bad as some are making it sound. The team around him played like ASS but he kept it close and gave them a chance.

CMC fully outstretched got one hand on it… in traffic. It was a bad throw and a bad decision and your straw man argument about fans generally wanting a more aggressive QB is useless. I want a QB who sees the field well, throws accurate balls, and makes good decisions. That includes not leaving big plays on the field which Brock's predecessor did consistently. That does not mean I want the QB to throw ill advised, inaccurate, YOLO balls into coverage when there is a completely viable 1st down gain with no risk right in front of him. It's bad QB'ing.

Again, the Jennings throw was low… which was good. I said that specifically. I didn't say anything about it needing to be waist high. It was behind him though and was poorly placed. He was inaccurate throughout the day and that was an example of it. It hit both of Jennings hands because it was a high level effort play by Jennings.

There are defenders near but no one about to hit him, not sure I'd call that "traffic." Again, a little high but he was simply late with bringing his right hand up (he said so himself). No reason to one hand it like that, he made a mistake.



Watch the play again. It's not a YOLO ball (good lord you guys are really going to latch onto this aren't you). There is not a "completely viable 1st down gain with no risk in front of him." Farrell is 2 yards past the LOS with a defender right behind him. Juice is 3 yards behind the LOS with a defender right behind him. We had a QB that routinely took those gains and you all hated him for it. It was definitely safer but it does make the margin for error a lot smaller, and it requires a defense that we no longer have.

As bad as we played as a team, 4 turnovers, 6 drops, a punt return TD and another long kickoff return (special teams still sucks) - and we still had a chance to win the game. With Jimmy at QB we lose that game by 20+. Purdy always gives us a chance. Dude had 309 yards despite those drops and the two INT's. He is much closer to being great than anyone else on offense, so it's very strange that you guys spend so much time nitpicking every little thing that he does. He is far and away our best offensive player.