QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Now that's mental gymnastics lol. Saying that Lamar and Allen haven't won anything is just a fact. There is no mental gymnastics required. If they are the guys that can carry the team, then they shouldn't be 0-14

Hey somebody remind me, what are they "0-14" in?
Thanks

They've had 7 years each, so they're 0-14 in carrying their team to anything that matters. Again, nobody is saying they aren't amongst the best QBs in the nfl

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Lamar or Allen were in the NFC they'd have been in a SB.

Eagles also just won a SB hiding their QBs inability to play the position.

I dont think either of those guys need anyone's support here regarding level of play. What's going on here?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

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There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

I'm in the middle of this argument cuz I think very highly of the top 4 QBs in the NFL but one thing i have to add is I saw a recent post on Twitter(I think coming from Cowherd lame take)calling out Brock for failing to lead the 49ers to the SB with the issues we had but praising CJ Stroud for getting Houston to the divisional round with his play.

Now if we look at each player last year…


You're telling me CJ had it worse with the injuries he had? Cuz I call BS on that.

Could it be the defense and special teams for Houston played much better and secured or protected more wins for CJ? Or did CJ's TDs count for more points?

Which leads me back to your what happened in 2024 question and the answer isn't simply Brock was worse.

"Take a look" with a list of stats?

Oh no....not head to head QB stats to then build a point....

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Now that's mental gymnastics lol. Saying that Lamar and Allen haven't won anything is just a fact. There is no mental gymnastics required. If they are the guys that can carry the team, then they shouldn't be 0-14

Hey somebody remind me, what are they "0-14" in?
Thanks

They've had 7 years each, so they're 0-14 in carrying their team to anything that matters. Again, nobody is saying they aren't amongst the best QBs in the nfl

So unless you're Tom Brady, manning, Bree's, foles, Stafford or Mahomes, which are the guys that have won nearly all the most recent super bowls for the last 20 years, you suck?

essentially you're saying that Tom Brady and Mahomes have been the only good qbs in the league for the last 12 years or so?

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Well, once again, you're missing the point. I'm not arguing that these guys aren't high caliber players within their systems. All I'm saying is that for all of the high esteem that people hold them in, it hasn't translated into them winning the games that matter.

You've made your own definition of what matters, though.

They've both definitely played a huge part in alot of games that matter, given their relatively-short careers. They're not on the same planet as our QB,...and that's okay.

I dunno if Dan Marino won any games that matter by your measure,...but he's an all-time great and it really isint questionable.

So Trent Dilfer had more team success one year. Okay. So what?

Don't do this to yourself. Step away from the ledge.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
You realize people have literally done this with coaches right? We had several people here claim Sirianni is a better HC than Shanahan cuz he won a SB. Simple as that.

And you're going to extremes but look at how many people suddenly have Jalen Hurts in their top 5 at QB after he won the SB. How many even had him top 10 a few weeks prior to that?

And don't play the "it's a strawman argument" when plenty of people went to that type of thinking when discussing how much Brock should get paid. Obviously nobody expects a QB to go out there on his own and win a SB but the comments were filled with "Brock isn't good enough to take over a game and win with lesser talent"

Who says what lesser talent means? How do you account for all the other stuff? Every time you play the hypothetical QB swap game there is no real proof of what would've happened. Same crap was said between Brady and Manning. It's dumb. Each guy had their benefits and detriments with their own teams they had to overcome or glow up from.

QBs continue to develop and grow. Allen wasn't anything close to elite his first two seasons. Suddenly they added talent around him and suddenly he was a machine and he's only gotten better as he developed the mental part of the game to go with his physical tools. Same with Lamar.

But they need help like all the other guys.

That's explicitly what he said in his post.

The crap you're highlighting in your post is better directed to the guy judging QB accomplishment by team accomplishment, and wondering why guys like Allen and Lamar are praised in spite of not having won a SB.

Lol. He never directs this stuff @ the right posters. That's a big part of why it only gets crazier in here. All the energy is saved for those that dispute these insane posts.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Now that's mental gymnastics lol. Saying that Lamar and Allen haven't won anything is just a fact. There is no mental gymnastics required. If they are the guys that can carry the team, then they shouldn't be 0-14

Hey somebody remind me, what are they "0-14" in?
Thanks

They've had 7 years each, so they're 0-14 in carrying their team to anything that matters. Again, nobody is saying they aren't amongst the best QBs in the nfl

So unless you're Tom Brady, manning, Bree's, foles, Stafford or Mahomes, which are the guys that have won nearly all the most recent super bowls for the last 20 years, you suck?

essentially you're saying that Tom Brady and Mahomes have been the only good qbs in the league for the last 12 years or so?

Not what I said at all

How are all of these other QBs or their stats going to fix Brock's 4th quarter collapses?

That is the challenge for 2025. We already know that the game plan + Brock can do wonders in the 1st half.

Peeking around at more talented QBs wont change any of our woeful 2nd half performances tho. This is what matters to us, not Lamar Jackson.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Now that's mental gymnastics lol. Saying that Lamar and Allen haven't won anything is just a fact. There is no mental gymnastics required. If they are the guys that can carry the team, then they shouldn't be 0-14

Hey somebody remind me, what are they "0-14" in?
Thanks

They've had 7 years each, so they're 0-14 in carrying their team to anything that matters. Again, nobody is saying they aren't amongst the best QBs in the nfl

Hey Thanks CharlieSheen.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They've had 7 years each, so they're 0-14 in carrying their team to anything that matters. Again, nobody is saying they aren't amongst the best QBs in the nfl

Your favorite QB got to the SB once.

You then made that the "only thing that matters" at that point. Everyone that hasn't gotten to the dance is now there for you to micro-analyze, I guess. But again, it's all due to your favorite QB getting there.

IDK if one day -- the NFC CG that we won that happened to put us in the SB -- is the correct barometer to then measure and dismiss all other QBs that have not passed that point. It's pretty stupid analysis, in fact. If we hadn't won that one game u wouldn't be posting such garbage, because you'd have no "Brock" basis to.

And if we had won the SB, that'd be the "only thing that matters" and you'd be here dismissing even more QBs that havent.

This is all centered around our QB and trying your hardest to make him look better.

Those players are not just among the best QBs in the NFL,...they're much better difference makers @ QB than ours is. That's okay to admit. Stop it dude,....he's not desperate like this.

Originally posted by tankle104:
So unless you're Tom Brady, manning, Bree's, foles, Stafford or Mahomes, which are the guys that have won nearly all the most recent super bowls for the last 20 years, you suck?

essentially you're saying that Tom Brady and Mahomes have been the only good qbs in the league for the last 12 years or so?

He was saying that they are among the best qbs in the nfl but don't do anything that matters? Makes sense lol..may as well not even show up to work lol

Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Cunningham, Tarkenton.. essentially all bums who couldn't get it done. Lol

Originally posted by random49er:
How are all of these other QBs or their stats going to fix Brock's 4th quarter collapses?

What collapses are those, exactly?

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by tankle104:

So unless you're Tom Brady, manning, Bree's, foles, Stafford or Mahomes, which are the guys that have won nearly all the most recent super bowls for the last 20 years, you suck?

essentially you're saying that Tom Brady and Mahomes have been the only good qbs in the league for the last 12 years or so?

He was saying that they are among the best qbs in the nfl but don't do anything that matters? Makes sense lol..may as well not even show up to work lol

More words that I never said smh. I never once said they don't do anything that matters. I said they haven't carried their team to anything that matters, and that's what they are touted to be able to do

Originally posted by Montana:

Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Cunningham, Tarkenton.. essentially all bums who couldn't get it done. Lol

Yea dude Trent Dilfer >>> all those losers