QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:
How are all of these other QBs or their stats going to fix Brock's 4th quarter collapses?

What collapses are those, exactly?

This past season:
107 Rating is 1st halves this season.

83 rating in 4th quarters (71 rating career-wise). 4 TDs, 6 INTs in 4th quarters.

Week 2 vs. Minnesota, trailing by 6,...pick
Week 7 by KC,...trailing by 7....pick @ the goal line
Week 12 vs the Rams....trailing by 3....pick
Week 13 vs Miami.... down by 9...pick
Week 14 vs. Detroit...pick. Then down by 6...game in the balance again...2nd pick

Will the defense and the star offensive players need to do all the heavy lifting to put us far ahead in 4th quarters? Or can Brock get better as games like these go forward? Arm fatigue's a real thing,...I dont know how much that or the mental game factors in.

But it's there...and it's something we'll need to overcome. Can we continually put games in his hands? We'll see.

Johnny Del already broke late game film down. The OL was too weak to handle a pass rush that didn't have to worry about stopping the run. The solution to late game problems has already been found. Better OL play

Here's the breakdown

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Johnny Del already broke late game film down. The OL was too weak to handle a pass rush that didn't have to worry about stopping the run. The solution to late game problems has already been found. Better OL play

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Here's the breakdown

One play into the breakdown and it's Brock failing to recognize and hit an open hot, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Johnny Del already broke late game film down. The OL was too weak to handle a pass rush that didn't have to worry about stopping the run. The solution to late game problems has already been found. Better OL play

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Here's the breakdown

One play into the breakdown and it's Brock failing to recognize and hit an open hot, lol.

Good unbiased breakdown. Nobody said Brock is perfect. He also points out that he recognizes it because he's sliding away from the blitz. Just underestimated the time he needed to get it off

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

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There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

I'm in the middle of this argument cuz I think very highly of the top 4 QBs in the NFL but one thing i have to add is I saw a recent post on Twitter(I think coming from Cowherd lame take)calling out Brock for failing to lead the 49ers to the SB with the issues we had but praising CJ Stroud for getting Houston to the divisional round with his play.

Now if we look at each player last year…


You're telling me CJ had it worse with the injuries he had? Cuz I call BS on that.

Could it be the defense and special teams for Houston played much better and secured or protected more wins for CJ? Or did CJ's TDs count for more points?

Which leads me back to your what happened in 2024 question and the answer isn't simply Brock was worse.

"Take a look" with a list of stats?

Oh no....not head to head QB stats to then build a point....

If you got nothing to add to the conversation then don't respond 🤷‍♂?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
You realize people have literally done this with coaches right? We had several people here claim Sirianni is a better HC than Shanahan cuz he won a SB. Simple as that.

And you're going to extremes but look at how many people suddenly have Jalen Hurts in their top 5 at QB after he won the SB. How many even had him top 10 a few weeks prior to that?

And don't play the "it's a strawman argument" when plenty of people went to that type of thinking when discussing how much Brock should get paid. Obviously nobody expects a QB to go out there on his own and win a SB but the comments were filled with "Brock isn't good enough to take over a game and win with lesser talent"

Who says what lesser talent means? How do you account for all the other stuff? Every time you play the hypothetical QB swap game there is no real proof of what would've happened. Same crap was said between Brady and Manning. It's dumb. Each guy had their benefits and detriments with their own teams they had to overcome or glow up from.

QBs continue to develop and grow. Allen wasn't anything close to elite his first two seasons. Suddenly they added talent around him and suddenly he was a machine and he's only gotten better as he developed the mental part of the game to go with his physical tools. Same with Lamar.

But they need help like all the other guys.

That's explicitly what he said in his post.

The crap you're highlighting in your post is better directed to the guy judging QB accomplishment by team accomplishment, and wondering why guys like Allen and Lamar are praised in spite of not having won a SB.

Lol. He never directs this stuff @ the right posters. That's a big part of why it only gets crazier in here. All the energy is saved for those that dispute these insane posts.

Your posts are nothing but stirring up things or giving other people are hard time here. You have no right to call out anyone about things getting crazier when you literally go for pages arguing semantics in arguments you made up.

Just some extra data for the protection discussions(note it's not all OL indicative)


But does show that Brock faced the highest unblocked pressure rate in the league since 2023.

Originally posted by genus49:
Your posts are nothing but stirring up things or giving other people are hard time here. You have no right to call out anyone about things getting crazier when you literally go for pages arguing semantics in arguments you made up.

Truth.

Originally posted by genus49:
Just some extra data for the protection discussions(note it's not all OL indicative)

Counterpoint: Burrow has poor pocket management https://t.co/kEdCMOc6zB pic.twitter.com/1el9ace0GL

— Steven Patton (@PattonAnalytics) June 1, 2025

But does show that Brock faced the highest unblocked pressure rate in the league since 2023.

The play that Mr Sheen and I briefly talked about being one example.

Interesting that 3 of the 'top' 4 are from the Shanahan coaching tree.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

——

There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

I'm in the middle of this argument cuz I think very highly of the top 4 QBs in the NFL but one thing i have to add is I saw a recent post on Twitter(I think coming from Cowherd lame take)calling out Brock for failing to lead the 49ers to the SB with the issues we had but praising CJ Stroud for getting Houston to the divisional round with his play.

Now if we look at each player last year…


You're telling me CJ had it worse with the injuries he had? Cuz I call BS on that.

Could it be the defense and special teams for Houston played much better and secured or protected more wins for CJ? Or did CJ's TDs count for more points?

Which leads me back to your what happened in 2024 question and the answer isn't simply Brock was worse.

"Take a look" with a list of stats?

Oh no....not head to head QB stats to then build a point....

If you got nothing to add to the conversation then don't respond 🤷‍♂?

Seriously. The point so many of us have been making, over and over, is that Purdy is held to ridiculous standards while his peers are somehow absolved from their growing pains.

To the guys who think of Purdy as a middle of the pack QB right now, while guys like Love, Stroud, and Lawrence are considered top ten QBs, I call absolute b******t. But you can't win an argument that dismisses the numbers wholesale in favor of some nebulous eye-test instead.

Originally posted by Chance:
Seriously. The point so many of us have been making, over and over, is that Purdy is held to ridiculous standards while his peers are somehow absolved from their growing pains.

To the guys who think of Purdy as a middle of the pack QB right now, while guys like Love, Stroud, and Lawrence are considered top ten QBs, I call absolute b******t. But you can't win an argument that dismisses the numbers wholesale in favor of some nebulous eye-test instead.

I don't think anybody considers Lawrence a top 10 QB. Stroud, Love, and Purdy are probably all in the same grouping with most believing Stroud and Love have greater potential. Argument can be made that Brock has been more consistent over their early careers.

As far as your numbers/eye test comments aren't you willing to forego the numbers to draw conclusions about a QB as well?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Chance:
Seriously. The point so many of us have been making, over and over, is that Purdy is held to ridiculous standards while his peers are somehow absolved from their growing pains.

To the guys who think of Purdy as a middle of the pack QB right now, while guys like Love, Stroud, and Lawrence are considered top ten QBs, I call absolute b******t. But you can't win an argument that dismisses the numbers wholesale in favor of some nebulous eye-test instead.

I don't think anybody considers Lawrence a top 10 QB. Stroud, Love, and Purdy are probably all in the same grouping with most believing Stroud and Love have greater potential. Argument can be made that Brock has been more consistent over their early careers.

As far as your numbers/eye test comments aren't you willing to forego the numbers to draw conclusions about a QB as well?

I'm not willing to forego the numbers, nor rely on them to completely inform my opinion. The numbers are absolutely relevant though, and as I've said before, one of the few objective insights into the quality of a QBs performance. There's a reason every hall of fame QB has terrific numbers to match their status as a consensus top tier QB. Repeatable success over time will be reflected in the numbers, it's just the nature of how statistics inevitably follow success.

It's legitimately hard to project long-term success from a 2.5 season sample size, as Purdy could just as easily regress towards the mean than he could become the next Drew Brees. But 2.5 seasons (plus playoffs) is not nothing, and his per game numbers show us he's enjoyed success on par with elite QBs. But more data will eventually give us a higher degree of confidence. Until then, I'll choose to be more optimistic in him than you.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:
How are all of these other QBs or their stats going to fix Brock's 4th quarter collapses?

What collapses are those, exactly?

This past season:
107 Rating is 1st halves this season.

83 rating in 4th quarters (71 rating career-wise). 4 TDs, 6 INTs in 4th quarters.

Week 2 vs. Minnesota, trailing by 6,...pick
Week 7 by KC,...trailing by 7....pick @ the goal line
Week 12 vs the Rams....trailing by 3....pick
Week 13 vs Miami.... down by 9...pick
Week 14 vs. Detroit...pick. Then down by 6...game in the balance again...2nd pick

Will the defense and the star offensive players need to do all the heavy lifting to put us far ahead in 4th quarters? Or can Brock get better as games like these go forward? Arm fatigue's a real thing,...I dont know how much that or the mental game factors in.

But it's there...and it's something we'll need to overcome. Can we continually put games in his hands? We'll see.

I swear you've got to be the biggest hypocrite on here. The amount of things you've complained about other people doing to only turn around and do yourself is amazing.

Literally busting my balls about making a clear comparison between Stroud being praised for leading his team to the playoffs with stats either on par or worse than Purdy across the board to using stats to dog Purdy the page later without any context.

Here is some context for you

Week 2 vs. Minnesota, trailing by 6,...pick - didn't happen in the 4th quarter. In fact every drive in the 4th quarter they scored on in that game, including having a 99 yard TD drive.

Week 7 by KC,...trailing by 7....pick @ the goal line - the pick in the 4th quarter the 49ers were trailing by 9. This was the game without Jennings, Deebo and Aiyuk got hurt in the first half. Purdy was hit as he threw the ball to Chris Conley. Maybe it's a pick even if he's not hit but regardless bringing up that scenario as a Purdy 4th quarter collapse is a trash take.

Week 12 vs the Rams....trailing by 3....pick - Week 15 unless you're doing something special here - after Deebo drops a TD. Questionable decision to throw the ball given the game situation but as Kyle mentioned after the game there should've been a penalty on the DB covering Jennings that they conveniently didn't call.

Week 13 vs Miami.... down by 9...pick - Week 16, down by 5. You good? Bad pick yes but he was hit during the throw. I've seen this happen to many a QB.

Week 14 vs. Detroit...pick. Then down by 6...game in the balance again...2nd pick - Week 17 - only the 2nd pick was in the 4th quarter and yes it was a bad one.

Regardless of all that to pretend that Purdy is having all these 4th quarter collapses(when some of these you references weren't even in the 4th quarter) and leaving out all the context of the game and how each pick happened...all while giving other people a hard time for simply putting data out there is pure hypocrisy.

If this team has issues with 4th quarters it's because the offense isn't built to play well in those situations. It's not simply a Purdy issue but a Shanahan and receivers issue. The best thing for this offense is them trying to not have it go through any single person so it can keep playing at a high level if that player isn't out there or having an off day but also ensuring that the pass protection and receivers and yes Brock can handle things if we're not facing defenses who play heavy zone since we can shred those apart but struggle vs heavy man defenses who can also rush well up front.

Oh and lastly since you enjoyed my Purdy/CJ Stroud comparison so much...you should go check how well CJ Stroud played against that Vikings defense

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by random49er:
How are all of these other QBs or their stats going to fix Brock's 4th quarter collapses?

What collapses are those, exactly?

This past season:
107 Rating is 1st halves this season.

83 rating in 4th quarters (71 rating career-wise). 4 TDs, 6 INTs in 4th quarters.

Week 2 vs. Minnesota, trailing by 6,...pick
Week 7 by KC,...trailing by 7....pick @ the goal line
Week 12 vs the Rams....trailing by 3....pick
Week 13 vs Miami.... down by 9...pick
Week 14 vs. Detroit...pick. Then down by 6...game in the balance again...2nd pick

Will the defense and the star offensive players need to do all the heavy lifting to put us far ahead in 4th quarters? Or can Brock get better as games like these go forward? Arm fatigue's a real thing,...I dont know how much that or the mental game factors in.

But it's there...and it's something we'll need to overcome. Can we continually put games in his hands? We'll see.

I swear you've got to be the biggest hypocrite on here. The amount of things you've complained about other people doing to only turn around and do yourself is amazing.

I've never played QB before,...so I'll take the diss. Montana snuck one in too but she wholeheartedly agrees that a post you cant seem to find inflaming silly arguments (where all play and results are meaningless unless you made it to a SB that year) is kinda nuts. There are some great, great QBs that have never won one. It's not a measure of QB ability.

Brock's 4th quarters havent been all that great,..that's just the reality. And he knows that and has admitted as such. It's marked area for improvement,...without question.