QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

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There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

Though the Chiefs would have had a chance to respond with a TD on their own, how do you all see Josh or Lamar behind center on that last fateful play in OT during our last SB when Burford whiffed on their assignment and let Chris Jones immediately into the backfield untouched...

1) Lamar - maybe he would have spun to his left as soon as he saw Jones bearing down on him, then dumped off to CMC for the TD?
2) Allen - maybe he would have gone to Kittle as soon as he saw Jones barrelling towards him as I guess he would have saw Kittle a bit better than Brock could due to his height?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yea for the guys that talk about Brock not being a guy that can carry his team to a championship, their examples of Lamar and Allen fall flat. They are 0/14 combined. 0/14 and some act like winning a chip is as simple as having one of them. Throw Burrow in there and it's 0/19. It's not that simple

Here's the strawman again.

Point to anybody propping up Lamar and Allen under the idea that winning a championship is as simple as having them. It doesn't even make sense given their teams havent won.

What actually happens is people say these guys are two of the best players at their position in the league and other people hold their lack of championships against them as a counter argument to how great they are as individual players.

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Though the Chiefs would have had a chance to respond with a TD on their own, how do you all see Josh or Lamar behind center on that last fateful play in OT during our last SB when Burford whiffed on their assignment and let Chris Jones immediately into the backfield untouched...

1) Lamar - maybe he would have spun to his left as soon as he saw Jones bearing down on him, then dumped off to CMC for the TD?
2) Allen - maybe he would have gone to Kittle as soon as he saw Jones barrelling towards him as I guess he would have saw Kittle a bit better than Brock could due to his height?

The game would have been completely different. I don't think Lamar and Josh Allen are immune to having a play blown up by a free rusher, lol. No QB is.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Yea for the guys that talk about Brock not being a guy that can carry his team to a championship, their examples of Lamar and Allen fall flat. They are 0/14 combined. 0/14 and some act like winning a chip is as simple as having one of them. Throw Burrow in there and it's 0/19. It's not that simple

Here's the strawman again.

Point to anybody propping up Lamar and Allen under the idea that winning a championship is as simple as having them. It doesn't even make sense given their teams havent won.

What actually happens is people say these guys are two of the best players at their position in the league and other people hold their lack of championships against them as a counter argument to how great they are as individual players.

They are constantly used as guys that can carry the team. I think pointing out that they have no rings is just a counter to the thought that we need one of them

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Though the Chiefs would have had a chance to respond with a TD on their own, how do you all see Josh or Lamar behind center on that last fateful play in OT during our last SB when Burford whiffed on their assignment and let Chris Jones immediately into the backfield untouched...

1) Lamar - maybe he would have spun to his left as soon as he saw Jones bearing down on him, then dumped off to CMC for the TD?
2) Allen - maybe he would have gone to Kittle as soon as he saw Jones barrelling towards him as I guess he would have saw Kittle a bit better than Brock could due to his height?

The game would have been completely different. I don't think Lamar and Josh Allen are immune to having a play blown up by a free rusher, lol. No QB is.

Oh I'm not denying that. I'm just theorizing that Jackson would have probably fared better vs. Jones on that play than Allen or Purdy, and Allen - better than Purdy, after re-watching it.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Though the Chiefs would have had a chance to respond with a TD on their own, how do you all see Josh or Lamar behind center on that last fateful play in OT during our last SB when Burford whiffed on their assignment and let Chris Jones immediately into the backfield untouched...

1) Lamar - maybe he would have spun to his left as soon as he saw Jones bearing down on him, then dumped off to CMC for the TD?
2) Allen - maybe he would have gone to Kittle as soon as he saw Jones barrelling towards him as I guess he would have saw Kittle a bit better than Brock could due to his height?

The game would have been completely different. I don't think Lamar and Josh Allen are immune to having a play blown up by a free rusher, lol. No QB is.

Oh I'm not denying that. I'm just theorizing that Jackson would have probably fared better vs. Jones on that play than Allen or Purdy, and Allen - better than Purdy, after re-watching it.

We can say the same thing about Brady and how Lamar or Allen would've handled some pressures against the Giants

We could go through all of Brady's film, and there wouldn't be a play that Josh Allen couldn't theoretically make. What's impossible to know is which ones Allen wouldn't make

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They are constantly used as guys that can carry the team. I think pointing out that they have no rings is just a counter to the thought that we need one of them

it's a strawman, no one says josh allen alone will win a ring. teams wins rings. individuals do not. frank gore has no rings. cmc has no rings, and he fumbled in his super bowl. ty davis price has a ring. i guess TDP got the job done, that gore could not do. do we see how dumb this sounds? only a troll would say aha TDP has a ring, and CMC does not. as if that makes TDP better or says anything. it doesn't.

lol what in the world is going on. Hahaha

Originally posted by tankle104:
lol what in the world is going on. Hahaha

this is what happens without any regular season football

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this is what happens without any regular season football

It will happen during the season too, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this is what happens without any regular season football

It will happen during the season too, lol.

Our qb could be prime Joe Montana and people would still find things to complain about. lol

what cracks me up is that a teams success & failure have like a thousand variables that impact them. Some more so than others, but SO SO SO many things impact if a team wins or loses. Yet, so many still try to argue that one person or one play is the reason everything sucked or won.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

——

There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

Well, once again, you're missing the point. I'm not arguing that these guys aren't high caliber players within their systems. All I'm saying is that for all of the high esteem that people hold them in, it hasn't translated into them winning the games that matter. Have Jackson or Allen won a Super Bowl that I've missed? Have they even gotten to a Super Bowl? Jackson has one of the saddest playoff records you can imagine for a guy who has won two MVP awards. There were a lot of reasons why the 49ers didn't do well last year, and Brock's play contributed to that, as he himself acknowledged. I'm also not saying that because Brock got to a Super Bowl that he is a better player than either of them, he has physical limitations that obviously restrict his ability to be as dynamic a runner or thrower of the football than either of those guys. It may be that Allen and Jackson finally break their playoff curses and go on to win multiple Super Bowls each, or they may both end up being the next Dan Marino, QBs with exceptional individual traits at the position who could never quite bring home the prize in what is perhaps the ultimate team sport.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

They are constantly used as guys that can carry the team. I think pointing out that they have no rings is just a counter to the thought that we need one of them

it's a strawman, no one says josh allen alone will win a ring. teams wins rings. individuals do not. frank gore has no rings. cmc has no rings, and he fumbled in his super bowl. ty davis price has a ring. i guess TDP got the job done, that gore could not do. do we see how dumb this sounds? only a troll would say aha TDP has a ring, and CMC does not. as if that makes TDP better or says anything. it doesn't.

I never said they're bad players or can't win a championship

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

——

There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

Though the Chiefs would have had a chance to respond with a TD on their own, how do you all see Josh or Lamar behind center on that last fateful play in OT during our last SB when Burford whiffed on their assignment and let Chris Jones immediately into the backfield untouched...

1) Lamar - maybe he would have spun to his left as soon as he saw Jones bearing down on him, then dumped off to CMC for the TD?
2) Allen - maybe he would have gone to Kittle as soon as he saw Jones barrelling towards him as I guess he would have saw Kittle a bit better than Brock could due to his height?

And if my aunt was my uncle then wait what man I always screw this up. Oh yeah what if I picked the lottery winner oh wait that's not right either. Damn it let me go look through my book of what ifs.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

——

There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

Well, once again, you're missing the point. I'm not arguing that these guys aren't high caliber players within their systems. All I'm saying is that for all of the high esteem that people hold them in, it hasn't translated into them winning the games that matter. Have Jackson or Allen won a Super Bowl that I've missed? Have they even gotten to a Super Bowl? Jackson has one of the saddest playoff records you can imagine for a guy who has won two MVP awards. There were a lot of reasons why the 49ers didn't do well last year, and Brock's play contributed to that, as he himself acknowledged. I'm also not saying that because Brock got to a Super Bowl that he is a better player than either of them, he has physical limitations that obviously restrict his ability to be as dynamic a runner or thrower of the football than either of those guys. It may be that Allen and Jackson finally break their playoff curses and go on to win multiple Super Bowls each, or they may both end up being the next Dan Marino, QBs with exceptional individual traits at the position who could never quite bring home the prize in what is perhaps the ultimate team sport.

it's just par for the course in here, where ppl feel a need to do gymnastics to put down other QBs. invariably when talking QB, we will mention some of the other guys in the league, and some of the other guys can play. the fact they can play isn't a brock insult. no need to defend his honor, just cuz some other QBs out there are doing their job well. i see a lot of very good QB play in the league, in SF and around the nfl too. nothing wrong with that.