QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I haven't seen him make many throws that traveled 40 yards or more in the air where his receiver didn't need to slow up or come back to try and make the catch. He always has to put more air under the throw to get it that far. The guys with the really strong arms don't need to do that. The Niners big plays usually come from YAC not yards in the air.

Brock was 3rd in NFL in completed air yards per completion (2nd last yr) - yards the ball traveled in the air past the line of scrimmage prior to a completion.

he was 1st in completed air yards per pass attempt (1st last yr) - Air yards (on completed passes) per pass attempt

Dude throws the ball downfield at a high rate. He also holds onto the ball longer than most QBs.

NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

FYI, Brock's checkdown rate was even lower in 2023 when CMC won OPOY.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

FYI, Brock's checkdown rate was even lower in 2023 when CMC won OPOY.

interesting to note. here's an article that goes into more detail on it (NinersNation):

Pro Football Focus crunched the numbers for quarterbacks who rely on checkdowns from 2024, and the results might shock some people.

With a minimum of 300 passing attempts, only Caleb Williams of the Chicago Bears had a lower checkdown rate than Purdy. Of Purdy's 428 attempts, only 31 were deemed as a checkdown for a 7.2 % checkdown rate.

Brock Purdy typically is not quick to check down, as he has consistently ranked in the bottom half of the league across his three-year career. However, he's generated the third-best passer rating (99.6) in that span, fueled largely by his connection with Christian McCaffrey (92.2 three-year checkdown PFF receiving grade), who has been the recipient of 32 of his 86 checkdown targets.

McCaffrey's presence gives Purdy an outlet to create plays when downfield targets are taken away. Many of McCaffrey's targets aren't "checkdowns," but rather designed routes on a created mismatch against opposing defenses. With McCaffrey being out, that part of the 49ers' offense wasn't utilized, with Jordan Mason starting for much of the season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

I almost see it as a bit of a weakness how little Purdy checks down. Like you said this offense is geared and schemed to get yac. Just like the play against the rams he throws it deep on 2nd down a gets picked eliminating us from playoff contention when he had two check downs open we were in field goal range too to tie the game

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

Yup...that's the reason.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

Yup...that's the reason.

you don't think personnel dictates what we run out there? coach is gonna scheme things up based on who he has available, and what they are good at. we are probably chucking that whole wideback stuff altogether. i'm not saying QB doesn't play a role, but who your skill guys are plays a role also

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

I almost see it as a bit of a weakness how little Purdy checks down. Like you said this offense is geared and schemed to get yac. Just like the play against the rams he throws it deep on 2nd down a gets picked eliminating us from playoff contention when he had two check downs open we were in field goal range too to tie the game

Always easy for fans to point to the open guy once the decision is already made. It wasn't a good decision by Brock and it cost us, he'll learn from it hopefully but you don't have to look far from people holding it against him when he plays on the safer side.

You don't want the guy turning into our version of Alex Smith or Jimmy G where he's constantly giving up bigger plays to check it down and hope his guys make plays.

There is a middle ground and I think down/distance has to be in his mind when he's making those decisions. Where you are on the field matters, game situation, etc..

That comes with experience though.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

Yup...that's the reason.

you don't think personnel dictates what we run out there? coach is gonna scheme things up based on who he has available, and what they are good at. we are probably chucking that whole wideback stuff altogether. i'm not saying QB doesn't play a role, but who your skill guys are plays a role also

To a degree yes. But QBs are the ones who decide to pull the trigger on the play. There are plenty of instances where Brock has the underneath guy open but takes the bigger play and most of the time he completes it.

Jimmy would consistently take the short stuff even if the bigger play was open and Kyle calls games more on the strength of his QB than his receivers.

Getting Deebo YAC 20+ yards down the field > getting Deebo YAC at the LOS.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
NY beat me to it. You can take issue with how the ball gets there but one thing Purdy has done well consistently and unlike Jimmy G is those air yard numbers have been consistently towards the top of the league both per attempt and per completion.

Further reason why the idiots running around claiming Purdy is a checkdown merchant are instantly telling everyone they don't watch him play.

large part of this is personnel. if you are playing with prime deebo, you just want the ball in his hands, period. whether it's hand it to him or screen it to him. if cmc is out for a year, i don't expect a ton of checkdowns. i anticipate the number of checkdowns will go up when he is back. just giving him the ball in space vs a LB is usually a good idea.

Yup...that's the reason.

you don't think personnel dictates what we run out there? coach is gonna scheme things up based on who he has available, and what they are good at. we are probably chucking that whole wideback stuff altogether. i'm not saying QB doesn't play a role, but who your skill guys are plays a role also

Sure it does, but he was still pushing the ball in 2023 and he did it at Iowa state. Like I said he's a gunslinger…not a check down Charlie. Sometimes it bites him in the ass, but I'll take someone who's willing to read the field high to low vs looking at his first read and if not there check it down all game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sure it does, but he was still pushing the ball in 2023 and he did it at Iowa state. Like I said he's a gunslinger…not a check down Charlie. Sometimes it bites him in the ass, but I'll take someone who's willing to read the field high to low vs looking at his first read and if not there check it down all game.

that's how you are supposed to read it. touchdown to checkdown. i do think with cmc back, the checkdown isn't a bad play, should the downfield options not be open.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I haven't seen him make many throws that traveled 40 yards or more in the air where his receiver didn't need to slow up or come back to try and make the catch. He always has to put more air under the throw to get it that far. The guys with the really strong arms don't need to do that. The Niners big plays usually come from YAC not yards in the air.

TD passes to kittle vs jags & commanders, pass to aiyuk vs tb come to mind

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sure it does, but he was still pushing the ball in 2023 and he did it at Iowa state. Like I said he's a gunslinger…not a check down Charlie. Sometimes it bites him in the ass, but I'll take someone who's willing to read the field high to low vs looking at his first read and if not there check it down all game.

that's how you are supposed to read it. touchdown to checkdown. i do think with cmc back, the checkdown isn't a bad play, should the downfield options not be open.

he recently talked about where he wants to improve, and he said in '22 he was more decisive and wants to get back to that. i think that means taking the shorter options that are available, especially with cmc back

Originally posted by genus49:
To a degree yes. But QBs are the ones who decide to pull the trigger on the play. There are plenty of instances where Brock has the underneath guy open but takes the bigger play and most of the time he completes it.

Jimmy would consistently take the short stuff even if the bigger play was open and Kyle calls games more on the strength of his QB than his receivers.

Getting Deebo YAC 20+ yards down the field > getting Deebo YAC at the LOS.

I would agree as long as he's not trying to fit in in tight windows when its not completely necessary. Thats just one play I can think of but it seemed last season he made a lot of risky throws granted he did pretty damn well for the most part but he might need to work on his situational awareness which seems strange to say I originally thought that was a quality of his

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Sure it does, but he was still pushing the ball in 2023 and he did it at Iowa state. Like I said he's a gunslinger…not a check down Charlie. Sometimes it bites him in the ass, but I'll take someone who's willing to read the field high to low vs looking at his first read and if not there check it down all game.

That's what makes Purdy a good fit for this offense. Can't wait to see him learn and grow. I do believe he will help us get 1 or 2 SB's. JMHO