Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Chance:
I've watched every QB School breakdown of Brock's play, and many QB school breakdowns of other good young QBs. I've also watched many of the breakdowns from Chase Daniels. JTO and Chase Daniels aren't the be-all-end-all of QB gurus, but it's accessible to fans like you and I. Watching the all-22, it's clear that Brock is among the best in the league at throwing with anticipation. I'm not here arguing that other QBs aren't out here throwing with anticipation, and honestly, none of us have the time to find out just how many current guys are at Brock's level, but I trust when JTO, who watches all these guys play, says that only a couple of guys in the world do it at Brock's level.
And throwing with anticipation is a window we have into Brock's ability to process the game. He simply is very f**king good at this skill and impressive enough that the guys who study his film, tell us he's among the best. I take that to the bank more than I do what Cam Newton or TJ Whosyourmama have to say, because we know there's only a few of these guys watching every dropback.
We should also be careful of looking at personnel surveys. They are as prone to problematic thinking as are anyone else. We already know that the personnel in the NFL thought Brock was a UDFA in 2022. So it's not out of the question, they are wrong when they say he's fringe 10. It's also not out of the realm of possibilities that the personnel have a stake in being proven correct in the long-term about Brock (it's not easy when the NFL collectively whiffs at a guy who is competing as an MVP in his first full season playing). And even if these arbitrary ranking and tiers of QBs were accurate enough to predict future QB play, which they aren't, 10 is pretty f**king good for a guy who still is figuring out the game. I personally think he's better than most people think, or at least he will be better, but I'm also just an idiot on the internet.
Just an FYI, I agree Brock is 'elite' when it comes to anticipatory throwing. He has to be. So is Tua. It's one skill.
It's reliant on a suite of skills tied to mental processing. You and I have obviously both watched many HOF QBs over the decades. The best QBs in history excel in this skill more than any other. Being able to read the future is a pretty f**king important QB skill and it's not just knowing where your guy is going to be and delivering an accurate ball on time (multiple skills there), it's also knowing what the defense is doing with pre and post-snap evaluations (more skills). I haven't watched enough of Tua to evaluate where he and Brock compare on anticipatory throws, or the general decision-making and processing abilities that govern this skill.
Watching all those JTO videos you would have had to hear the questioning around Brock's ability that you see from many other competent analysts. He has pointed out issues along the way as well as his positives, as any objective analyst would. I would be surprised if he ranked Brock in the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL if he were to ever make a list.
You must confuse me with someone who does not recognize faults in Brock's game. I take it all in, and my opinion is where it is based on the information I've collated. JTO makes, what I consider, a very unbiased observation of Purdy's abilities. I do not agree that it would be surprising if he ranked Brock in the top ten. To the contrary, I think it would be surprising if he didn't. But we will probably never know, since such arbitrary rankings are inherently flawed.
As far as personnel surveys go, it was mainly an example specifically following Brock's great statistical season. The numbers said he was a top 2-3 QB in the NFL… I think people reviewing film across the league would disagree you were seeing top 2-3 QB in the NFL level play.
Specifically based on what?
I'm sure those surveys are going to upset some 49ers fans when they drop before next season, because I don't think there's much of a chance he'll be in the top 10 and wouldn't be all that shocked if he was out of the top 15. Is it the end all be all? No. It's subjective analysis, but it's at least coming from people who more than likely will have done significantly more work using the proper methods to actually understand what's happening out there… and it's not the same as projecting players transitioning from college to pro.
You're putting more faith into an unknown evaluation standard than I'm willing to do. People are people and are subject to the same issues that plague humanity in any field. This is not a science, it's, as you say, a subjective opinion--one we know is mirrored in media with incredibly problematic takes. But if this is what you want to hang your hat on, that's your prerogative. I've also watched decades of the game and know when a guy is deserving of the accolades. Brock in 2023 was absolutely one of the best three QBs in the game that season. To say otherwise is simply an opinion I will never agree with and can never be supported with objective data.
At the very least the fact that these opinions are out there, outside of ratings driven media environments, should give some pause to every fan who might think any lesser assessment of their favorite player is merely the product of engagement baiting or some rooted bias from the person giving the opinion.
Again, assuming there is no bias. One would think that personnel would have a stake in their initial opinion of Purdy being an UDFA caliber QB.
In the end, no one really knows who Purdy is and how his career will play out. I'm a fan of this team, and I'm going to believe in the best possible future until proven otherwise.