Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it depends on if you are asking what has he done as an individual player, or if you're asking what has his team accomplished.
i view that as distinct, not one and the same. purdy's hero was marino, who famously had maybe the best season of all time, but didn't have the team success of the ring. most ppl agree he's a heck of a QB, ring or not.
ppl are maybe looking for slights, where none exist. lot of ppl on here said hurts sucks or was overpaid, now he has the ring, and SB MVP. so you hear it less. but tbh, you still hear it, even with the ring. so ppl think whatever they want at the end of the day. i think TJ is saying ok if brock wants to show he's worth it, he needs to win some real hardware. that's probably true. but i think he can only control his own play, maybe some of the O around him. he can't control the D and ST and other stuff you need to win as a team. so in that sense, it's not fair to say he has to win a ring, as if he can just do that solo. marino showed he was an all time great, with no ring.
This ties directly in to the first part of your post: separating a player's individual ability, or even accomplishment, with team accomplishment.
People who are critical of Hurts are being critical of him as an individual player, and I think that's the bulk of what you see with criticism with Brock. It's about his individual worth and/or ability.
When someone like TJH says he wants to see Brock win a ring in order to justify his contract, it's easy for people to assume he's judging the player by team accomplishments a lot of which are out of his control. But I think in the full context of things that have happened with our team over the last 2-3 seasons, it's a sensical point probably worded poorly. For us to win a ring with our team as currently constructed, it will probably involve a much larger contribution from Brock than what was required 2-3 seasons ago. I think the argument from 'detractors' mainly stems from doubt he'll he able to do that.
This to me is why it's nonsensical to compare TJ's comments about Brock to players who also haven't won, but are paid, like Allen and Lamar. We've seen both of these guys be the clear cut best players on their teams for years… the biggest reasons those teams contend… and we haven't seen that from Brock.
[ Edited by SmokeyJoe on May 27, 2025 at 4:04 PM ]
