QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Intangibles such as leadership, personality, study habits, moral compass, etc. certainly can play into a QBs success, but when we're talking about Purdy's ability to throw a guy open, or feather a throw with pinpoint accuracy, or process through reads quickly, or maneuver the pocket to evade rushers, etc., we are describing ways his brain and body are physically interacting. These are in fact tangible even if hard to measure. And I'd argue Brock's tangible traits related to how his brain physically processes the game, are in fact the most important traits to successfully QBing. So when you say the other guys have tangibles, I scoff to that idea because Brock has them too, and in spades where it counts most.

I mean you can say the same thing with those other guys as well as far as intangibles and being able to throw guys open/layer throws. They're all pretty accurate and smart as well.

What has gotten Brock to where he is, is his ability to process quickly and use his anticipation. He has to because he doesn't have that rocket arm. Margin of error is less from that standpoint. I wouldn't even say he has great mechanics, so that's something he can improve upon.

I'm just telling you why Brock doesn't get the benefit of the doubt vs other highly drafted QBs. He simply doesn't have the overall wow tangible traits, scoff all you like doesn't change anything…if he did, he would have been drafted much higher. He also plays on a team that had a ton of success with a guy deemed a backup in the league currently. That's not me hating on Brock, that's just the perception of all of it.

I get what you're saying, I'm just disagreeing with the validity of the reasoning given from Brock doubters. Where Brock is special, he may be the most promising of the bunch, and that's his brain. I'm personally very wowed by it. There's maybe two guys in the world that throw with better anticipation, and even that's arguable.

I think when we look at the success Jimmy had, and where he was talented, is the guy had a world class quick release. He could see a guy open and dart a pass in there. And for the most part, Shanahan could work with that skill. But Jimmy was not a guy that could consistently throw players open, or cycle through 5 progressions, or hit downfield throws, or make plays happen when the pocket collapse. He had mental limitations in areas we already know Brock excels in.

To me it's lazy for people to use the reason that Jimmy had success, therefore Brock just might be another Jimmy—a product of the Shanahan system. I mean, that could be true, we don't really know where Brock's career lands, but we can read the tea leaves and project more success based on the things Brock's is known to be good at that Jimmy never was.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe this has played a massive role in the media being very anti-Purdy and doubtful of Purdy.

And one franchise in particular that likely has a massive sway in media narratives? The Pittsburgh Steelers. The team that has won six Super Bowls, has very sustainable coaching/leadership, and doesn't seem to get criticized much in the media despite being just barely "good enough" for the last 15 years.

And what's been the Steelers' main issue the last few years? No QB. And… what did they do in the 2022 draft that no other team did?

They drafted TWO QB's. One early and one late. Neither of which was Purdy. And neither was even 10% as good as Purdy.

And so, to try to save face for their front office that has an amazing reputation, they are trying to push the media so, so hard to say that Purdy isn't that good.

Again, call me a tin-foil hat guy, but this has been my theory for a solid two years, now.

Well, lol I am all for blaming the Steelers for anything but yeah, seems like a stretch there. I think the Niners are a more popular team with more fans..thus more click bait type stuff. But agree, Steelers haven't had as much scrutiny. How fast was Kenny gone off the team? And he was a first rounder. Not too much talk about that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
on jimmy, yeah he's deemed a backup in his mid 30s, after a ton of surg. that happens. just cuz he's a backup now, doesn't mean he wasn't a good player for us 5 years ago. times change. cousins is a backup now, and rodgers is a street FA who doesn't seem to be garnering a ton of interest. guys get old.

Jimmy lasted half a season the following yr he left SF. He got replaced by a subpar rookie in O'Connell. You don't go from starter to basically an afterthought in half a season unless the rest of the league thought you weren't a legit starter to begin with.

Kirk is 36, rogers is like 40. Trying to compare that to a then 32 yr old Jimmy ain't it.

Originally posted by Chance:
I get what you're saying, I'm just disagreeing with the validity of the reasoning given from Brock doubters. Where Brock is special, he may be the most promising of the bunch, and that's his brain. I'm personally very wowed by it. There's maybe two guys in the world that throw with better anticipation, and even that's arguable.

I think when we look at the success Jimmy had, and where he was talented, is the guy had a world class quick release. He could see a guy open and dart a pass in there. And for the most part, Shanahan could work with that skill. But Jimmy was not a guy that could consistently throw players open, or cycle through 5 progressions, or hit downfield throws, or make plays happen when the pocket collapse. He had mental limitations in areas we already know Brock excels in.

To me it's lazy for people to use the reason that Jimmy had success, therefore Brock just might be another Jimmy—a product of the Shanahan system. I mean, that could be true, we don't really know where Brock's career lands, but we can read the tea leaves and project more success based on the things Brock's is known to be good at that Jimmy never was.

Brock is a better QB than Jimmy is. Every QB has their pluses and minuses.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
on jimmy, yeah he's deemed a backup in his mid 30s, after a ton of surg. that happens. just cuz he's a backup now, doesn't mean he wasn't a good player for us 5 years ago. times change. cousins is a backup now, and rodgers is a street FA who doesn't seem to be garnering a ton of interest. guys get old.

Jimmy lasted half a season the following yr he left SF. He got replaced by a subpar rookie in O'Connell. You don't go from starter to basically an afterthought in half a season unless the rest of the league thought you weren't a legit starter to begin with.

Kirk is 36, rogers is like 40. Trying to compare that to a then 32 yr old Jimmy ain't it.

jimmy was thought a stater here, we made him highest paid. he also got a starter contract in vegas after he left here. so the idea that he was some backup we were rolling with in the 2019 era, not true. he was a QB1. him being a backup now, doesn't change that he was a QB1 for us. times change. jimmy took a beating and had a bunch of operations if i recall correct. dak to me is in a similar situation, same with watson. these guys are starting to get some major injuries and that can impact your career path. cam newton is a guy who was washed up early 30s, cuz he had a huge frame and they ran him a lot. he aged like a darn running back. it's to the extent you get hit / injured. brock will age well if he gets the ball out and avoids unnecessary contact. that's a big part of having a long career.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
on jimmy, yeah he's deemed a backup in his mid 30s, after a ton of surg. that happens. just cuz he's a backup now, doesn't mean he wasn't a good player for us 5 years ago. times change. cousins is a backup now, and rodgers is a street FA who doesn't seem to be garnering a ton of interest. guys get old.

Jimmy lasted half a season the following yr he left SF. He got replaced by a subpar rookie in O'Connell. You don't go from starter to basically an afterthought in half a season unless the rest of the league thought you weren't a legit starter to begin with.

Kirk is 36, rogers is like 40. Trying to compare that to a then 32 yr old Jimmy ain't it.

Jesus Christ is Faithful still pushing the idea that he was a good QB?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
on jimmy, yeah he's deemed a backup in his mid 30s, after a ton of surg. that happens. just cuz he's a backup now, doesn't mean he wasn't a good player for us 5 years ago. times change. cousins is a backup now, and rodgers is a street FA who doesn't seem to be garnering a ton of interest. guys get old.

Jimmy lasted half a season the following yr he left SF. He got replaced by a subpar rookie in O'Connell. You don't go from starter to basically an afterthought in half a season unless the rest of the league thought you weren't a legit starter to begin with.

Kirk is 36, rogers is like 40. Trying to compare that to a then 32 yr old Jimmy ain't it.

Jesus Christ is Faithful still pushing the idea that he was a good QB?

i was pushing back on his post that the league finds him to be a QB2. sure, they do now. in 2017-2019 he was found to be a QB1, paid record money and he was starting in a super bowl. so he was QB1 then. this stuff is pretty obvious. it's disingenuous to say kyle winning games back then was doing it with a QB2. you don't get to look at him now after a ton of surg, and say oh he was always a QB2 caliber guy. that is false. it would be like looking at deebo now and saying well he must have always been bad, cuz he was bad in 2024, well in 2021, he was not bad, he was great. guys age. this isn't rocket science.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brock is a better QB than Jimmy is. Every QB has their pluses and minuses.

Sure, and I guess my whole point in this discussion was to say that Brock's pluses would translate to any team and not just one with Shanahan as the coach (which was essentially the quote by the unnamed exec, and has been the dead horse the media has been beating since 2022).

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
jimmy was thought a stater here, we made him highest paid. he also got a starter contract in vegas after he left here. so the idea that he was some backup we were rolling with in the 2019 era, not true. he was a QB1. him being a backup now, doesn't change that he was a QB1 for us. times change. jimmy took a beating and had a bunch of operations if i recall correct. dak to me is in a similar situation, same with watson. these guys are starting to get some major injuries and that can impact your career path. cam newton is a guy who was washed up early 30s, cuz he had a huge frame and they ran him a lot. he aged like a darn running back. it's to the extent you get hit / injured. brock will age well if he gets the ball out and avoids unnecessary contact. that's a big part of having a long career.

Yeah after 5 meaningless games.

yeah he got paid and lasted 5 games in LV as well and had guys like Devante Adams complaining about hospital balls.

you don't have to continue to stick up for him anymore. He played above his means for a couple yrs and got paid. IMO he held back this team because he played just well enough to fool the HC/FO from upgrading.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by random49er:
"Who cares about arm strength?! Let's discuss cake designs!!!" says 1 Brock thread gatekeeper that's supposedly against gatekeeping.

You got issues man lol

Some of us are really into football talk, though, and come here for it. Sorry if that upset you mam.

Uncalled for. Let the mods worry about gatekeeping these threads or report stuff you think isn't valid.

I don't mind people having a little fun with those pictures, though a few pages of cake talk is probably good enough. Easy enough to get back onto football talk. People usually run with the latest.

Let's hope the contract details drop soon so we can talk about that.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe this has played a massive role in the media being very anti-Purdy and doubtful of Purdy.

And one franchise in particular that likely has a massive sway in media narratives? The Pittsburgh Steelers. The team that has won six Super Bowls, has very sustainable coaching/leadership, and doesn't seem to get criticized much in the media despite being just barely "good enough" for the last 15 years.

And what's been the Steelers' main issue the last few years? No QB. And… what did they do in the 2022 draft that no other team did?

They drafted TWO QB's. One early and one late. Neither of which was Purdy. And neither was even 10% as good as Purdy.

And so, to try to save face for their front office that has an amazing reputation, they are trying to push the media so, so hard to say that Purdy isn't that good.

Again, call me a tin-foil hat guy, but this has been my theory for a solid two years, now.

The Steelers are definitely a media darling....that really isn't tin foil stuff. Mike Tomlin is still regarded as a 'great' HC but as you said, they've been fairly average for a long time....haven't won a playoff game in 8 or 9 years. He doesn't just 'get a pass'....he's still considered a top 5 type HC. Tomlin is basically an average guy IMO. I dunno about the Steelers connection to SF though.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
The Steelers are definitely a media darling....that really isn't tin foil stuff. Mike Tomlin is still regarded as a 'great' HC but as you said, they've been fairly average for a long time....haven't won a playoff game in 8 or 9 years. He doesn't just 'get a pass'....he's still considered a top 5 type HC. Tomlin is basically an average guy IMO. I dunno about the Steelers connection to SF though.

tomlin's claim to fame is he won a ring, and i think in a long period of time, he has never had a losing season. we just had one, so you can see how easy it is to go through one. pretty impressive to have zero. i was listening to how pittsburgh hires coaches, and why they get it right. they know what they are looking for. a lot of teams don't know what they are looking for, they simply conduct interviews and someone slick sells them on being the HC. the steelers want a young man, cuz they don't want to hire over and over, they want to hire once and have that guy for a long time, even decades. they want a defensive minded guy also. it's a tough town, that's their identity of blue collar and physical football. that's how they got noll, bill cowher and now tomlin. the rooney's run the team, and that's what they look for in HC.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Chance:
Intangibles such as leadership, personality, study habits, moral compass, etc. certainly can play into a QBs success, but when we're talking about Purdy's ability to throw a guy open, or feather a throw with pinpoint accuracy, or process through reads quickly, or maneuver the pocket to evade rushers, etc., we are describing ways his brain and body are physically interacting. These are in fact tangible even if hard to measure. And I'd argue Brock's tangible traits related to how his brain physically processes the game, are in fact the most important traits to successfully QBing. So when you say the other guys have tangibles, I scoff to that idea because Brock has them too, and in spades where it counts most.

biggest aspect i see now is he has to want to win and be great. brady improved daily for 20 seasons, that's why he's the best. lot of guys get the contract and shut it down. that's just human nature. i'm sure if many of us got $265m we would be out of our day jobs so fast the chair would be spinning. that happens in pro football as well. i think he wants to win and loves the game. i'm looking for those improvements over time, he needs to keep getting better. a lot of our guys simply didn't get better. alex got better, but colin k and jimmy and trey didn't really get better.

It's hard to have the will to be great as much as Brady considering the man arguably lost his marriage over it and we know Brock is definitely not going to do that.

Still Brock hasn't shown anything to make us believe he's going to take this money and coast. He's going into his 4th year and every year I think you can say he improved in some ways. Last year wasn't pretty in terms of stats but things obviously weren't as easy and I think Brock's scrambling was better last year.

As for your references I think they're very different from Brock.

Alex, I feel bad for in hindsight. Hearing him talk about how little structure/help he had under Nolan and the weight of that #1 overall pick definitely did some damage. His way to improve was basically becoming a game manager until that last year in KC.

Kap simply never developed the mental part of the game and once the talent on the team went away it just wasn't working.

Jimmy's issues IMO were he didn't understand his own limitations. He tried to play the game thinking his arm was better than it was but at the same time held himself back with easier throws even when the deeper ones were open. If you think about it...it's kind of completely backwards. A QB who passes up big gainers but tries to go for them when his arm can't deliver doesn't leave a lot of room for error.

Trey is an unknown that's not worth talking about anymore. Maybe if he didn't get hurt in 2022 he would've worked his way into a good, maybe even great QB but seeing him stick as #3 in Dallas showed that whatever it was, it wasn't happening. Will be curious to see how he does with Harbaugh.

Brock understands his limitations, that's why people bringing up Jimmy G is a lazy comp to me. Sure I get the "well look what they did with Jimmy G so it must be the system"

The problem is they're playing completely different type of football out there and it should be obvious to anyone willing to look at the tape. Brock's arm is mediocre but unlike Jimmy he knows what throws he can get away with and he's excellent at layering the football over defenders. That's a special skill. Jimmy had his quick release which helped him be a good QB when we had the YAC bros doing work. Brock is able to distribute the ball much better - inside or outside the hash marks.

I expect him to continue to grow and his work on chemistry/timing with his receivers will only play dividends.

I don't see him getting a big head at all. I think he'll continue being the same guy he was before the money came in, my only concern with him is if somehow God comes calling and tells him to do something else(hope that's not offending anyone religious here)

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Intangibles such as leadership, personality, study habits, moral compass, etc. certainly can play into a QBs success, but when we're talking about Purdy's ability to throw a guy open, or feather a throw with pinpoint accuracy, or process through reads quickly, or maneuver the pocket to evade rushers, etc., we are describing ways his brain and body are physically interacting. These are in fact tangible even if hard to measure. And I'd argue Brock's tangible traits related to how his brain physically processes the game, are in fact the most important traits to successfully QBing. So when you say the other guys have tangibles, I scoff to that idea because Brock has them too, and in spades where it counts most.

I mean you can say the same thing with those other guys as well as far as intangibles and being able to throw guys open/layer throws. They're all pretty accurate and smart as well.

What has gotten Brock to where he is, is his ability to process quickly and use his anticipation. He has to because he doesn't have that rocket arm. Margin of error is less from that standpoint. I wouldn't even say he has great mechanics, so that's something he can improve upon.

I'm just telling you why Brock doesn't get the benefit of the doubt vs other highly drafted QBs. He simply doesn't have the overall wow tangible traits, scoff all you like doesn't change anything…if he did, he would have been drafted much higher. He also plays on a team that had a ton of success with a guy deemed a backup in the league currently. That's not me hating on Brock, that's just the perception of all of it.

I get what you're saying, I'm just disagreeing with the validity of the reasoning given from Brock doubters. Where Brock is special, he may be the most promising of the bunch, and that's his brain. I'm personally very wowed by it. There's maybe two guys in the world that throw with better anticipation, and even that's arguable.

I think when we look at the success Jimmy had, and where he was talented, is the guy had a world class quick release. He could see a guy open and dart a pass in there. And for the most part, Shanahan could work with that skill. But Jimmy was not a guy that could consistently throw players open, or cycle through 5 progressions, or hit downfield throws, or make plays happen when the pocket collapse. He had mental limitations in areas we already know Brock excels in.

To me it's lazy for people to use the reason that Jimmy had success, therefore Brock just might be another Jimmy—a product of the Shanahan system. I mean, that could be true, we don't really know where Brock's career lands, but we can read the tea leaves and project more success based on the things Brock's is known to be good at that Jimmy never was.

Yeah I totally get the narratives. However I'm old enough to remember Brady being called a system QB, game manager and checkdown merchant even after he won 3 SBs. I also remember myself downplaying Kurt Warner cuz of his weapons

Brock just has to keep playing well, winning football games and ideally SBs and the accolades will eventually come.

I'm being a bit of a hypocrite since I definitely get annoyed when Brock gets hate with the "he's just another Jimmy G" or "He doesn't scare anyone" but at the same time...all I care is about what he's doing here.

Play well, win the SB - if people wanna hate, they'll look stupid for it. And hopefully there's a lot of stupid looking haters when Brock's career is done.

If the defense makes a stop, we wouldn't be having this discussion.