QB Brock Purdy Thread

Purdy is no Momtana but he is similar in some ways. He fits Kyle's offense much like Montana did. Neither has a great arm. Montana was about as mobile as Brock when he was young. Both were accurate. Joe a little more so on deep passes. The bigggest difference so far that I see is Joe's ability to excel in bad situations. That and playing your best in the biggest games. Brock hasn't reached that level yet.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Talking heads (and others) get a rise/engagement out of niners fans by talking s**t about Brock purdy, news at 11

I don't think many people feel Purdy sucks. Just because they don't feel Purdy is a top 5 or top 10 QB doesn't mean anything. People see things differently and Niner fans are far more likely to look at Brock and see a top tier QB.

It's going to come down to performance and wins. He can have good stats but if he doesn't win in big games he'll be viewed as average at best. If he wins big games he'll be viewed as a top QB. Stats are irrelevant. Stafford is viewed more favorably now that he's lead a team to a SB win than he ever was at Detroit. His stats were better in Detroit but when you don't win your status drops. It's just the way many people view it.

The thing is there is clear draft bias at work with Purdy. If he was a first round draft pick and doing EVERYTHING that he's done so far including last season nobody would be questioning that deal.

They just need to ignore draft status and concentrate on the game. Keep the same energy for everyone you talk about. Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts surrounded by dominant OL play, great RBs and wonderful skill players at their disposal. Nobody drops them down in their rankings because of those things. That seems to only apply to a guy like Purdy.

There is a LOT that goes into good QB play and there isn't a single way to play well as a QB but it shouldn't be difficult to acknowledge the good and bad for each guy without tearing one down for having good skill players but ignoring that for another QB.

They definitely use different standards when talking about Purdy and other QB's. Hurts and the Eagles have one of the most stacked teams I've ever seen. They are outstanding on both lines, great RB, excellent skill players, great secondary. They almost have no flaws. They don't hold Hurts accountable for that though.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
You guys are arguing the wrong thing. Arm strength as far as "distance" thrown is not that big a deal. What IS a problem is arm strength lacking that "zip" as faithful6 was getting crap for. He was right. Everyone can see Purdy lacks in comparison with the rest of the league. It's why timing is more important for him than others and he NEEDS to throw it before the route breaks. I hold my breath admittedly on out routes due to his weak arm; those are easy pick sixes if not timed perfectly by Brock.

Let's get serious here...how many pick 6s has Brock thrown? I think it's absolutely hilarious that Faithful keeps bringing up lack of zip and arm concerns when his guy Jimmy G was notorious for playing well below his arm limitations and avoiding throws to the outside.

Brock's arm limitations are not an issue because he understands his arm. I've challenged him and others who have harped on Brock's arm to show me plays where Brock's arm strength hurts us in a game.

Yes his arm is weak when compared to a lot of the guys in the NFL. It's an NFL average arm overall but right now there are a lot of QBs with big arms in the NFL so if you want to pretend it's below league average as it stands right now then go for it but I'd say it's very similar to Joe Montana's arm which was good but nothing special but in the offense we ran it did the job VERY well so nobody cared.

As long as you can execute the offense well and not limit the offense due to his arm strength then what's the issue? So he can't throw a 60+ yard bomb off his back foot or flick it down the field when pressured and off balance. How about we stay out of those situations where those types of throws are necessary? Sure that's a great skill to have for the moments where it's needed but it's a 1% type of play.

Brock's arm is good enough where defenses can't just load up the middle of the field or defend underneath only. Schematically he may not threaten defenses like a Josh Allen or Mahomes but they're also not able to defend him like a Jimmy G.

Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Chance:
You must confuse me for someone that argued arm strength isn't important, or that Brock should not try and improve. Take your straw man elsewhere.

Ok. More directly, then, as I'm really only commenting on the one-liner with words from the players themselves:

Originally posted by Chance:
Average, below average, above average—who gives a s**t when you're slinging it around to all parts of the field and getting MVP talk.

17 games and the preparation for it can be grueling. There are a multitude of reasons for why they give a s**t and obsess about their arm strength when it's naturally on the mediocre spectrum without great preparation. This comment I'm responding to contradicts itself and really doesn't make sense. But yea, the player himself cares more than the pundits, even.

RPOs, playaction, screens. I noticed it long before this tweet went up. And I believe there were a couple of articles written about how unShanahan like the offense was earlier in the year and how little playaction we employed.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i am being accurate genus. saying brock's 2024 faults were entirely on Trent, CMC and BA, that's not accurate, and you should know that. the arm strength or as you say shoulder injury has nothing to do with supporting cast. i was giving an example of something that is entirely related to brock, not his teammates. you say yourself, he had a 'shoulder injury'. does that not explain at least partially why he's not as good as 2023? it does, and you should know it. yet you jump on my posts, for no reason.

I didn't say that first part. My issue was you coming in claiming Brock arm was the issue. You keep mentioning him floating passes, I'm asking you to back it up. Feels to me like maybe you remembered people mentioning his arm during the Bills game and ran with it like it was an issue all year long. It wasn't. And a guy whose arm isn't a bazooka having a shoulder issue, coming back to play in a cold weather game where the grip isn't great is probably not the best judgement of things to come.

So I'm not jumping on your posts for no reason but you haven't provided a single play to look at where him floating passes was the key issue last year. I can show you a lot of plays that were impacted by the losses that were mentioned, whether schematically or the trickle down effect you have when you have top guys being out of the lineup and the backups are forced to rise up the depth chart.

I would also say a lot of the plays you probably attribute to "arm issues" are more about timing and chemistry with the receiver than Brock's arm talent.

He definitely excels in Kyle's system more than he may in others, but deserves the money nonetheless. I'm sure the Dolphins would salivate at the thought of him playing there. Could you imagine him throwing to Hill and Waddle?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean is he blaming a shoulder injury on his arm strength at Iowa State as well? He's never had a plus arm…it's serviceable, but he relied on other skills to get him to where he is.

it's weird people downplay the talent around him in 2023 and then use the lack of talent around him in 2024 as to why he wasn't as good…the truth is somewhere in the middle.

We're not gonna play this game NY. I know you're smart enough to follow the conversation without inventing a narrative that wasn't there.

There is a difference in claiming Brock was floating passes all year long and that's why he wasn't as good in 2023 and saying Brock's otherwise perfect arm was impacted by a shoulder injury.

I'm well aware of Brock's arm limitations but sitting back and pretending the guy struggled last year because of his arm strength vs all the injuries and roster issues around him is a whole different ball game.

You're right the truth is somewhere down the middle and the fact is despite all the issues last year with the roster and his arm, he was still putting up pretty good numbers overall and yet people are acting like he was just awful with those guys out of the lineup.

Once again a reminder to some folks...this is Brock on his apparently noodle armed season with top players out of the lineup vs Trevor Lawrence who had the majority of his top guys available all year long with his big arm and flowing locks. Both in their 3rd season in the NFL.

As far as reaction to Lawrence getting paid I don't recall many people being critical of the deal. If anything people should be excited about Brock's future with a healthy team around him. The whole idea that he needs All Pros everywhere is unfounded. Like I said before nobody brings up the talent Goff or Hurts have around them...why not? Is their arm strength giving them that much more ability to play with lesser talent? The film certainly doesn't back that up when their top guys are out. So what is it about Brock that we're not feeling confident about outside of his draft status and physical traits?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the offense isn't driven by purdy. our MO has been to run the ball. i think the comp fits. KCs best player was mahomes. ours was the supporting cast around the QB. that's the point i think.

Tell that to Detroit in 2023.

Lance had 'the arm' and legs..what happened with him? Qb is mostly mental..and Lance..he couldn't zone in..spaghetti brain when it came to processing. It's like the game is too big for him or something...probably still needs more reps lol.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean is he blaming a shoulder injury on his arm strength at Iowa State as well? He's never had a plus arm…it's serviceable, but he relied on other skills to get him to where he is.

it's weird people downplay the talent around him in 2023 and then use the lack of talent around him in 2024 as to why he wasn't as good…the truth is somewhere in the middle.

We're not gonna play this game NY. I know you're smart enough to follow the conversation without inventing a narrative that wasn't there.

There is a difference in claiming Brock was floating passes all year long and that's why he wasn't as good in 2023 and saying Brock's otherwise perfect arm was impacted by a shoulder injury.

I'm well aware of Brock's arm limitations but sitting back and pretending the guy struggled last year because of his arm strength vs all the injuries and roster issues around him is a whole different ball game.

You're right the truth is somewhere down the middle and the fact is despite all the issues last year with the roster and his arm, he was still putting up pretty good numbers overall and yet people are acting like he was just awful with those guys out of the lineup.

Once again a reminder to some folks...this is Brock on his apparently noodle armed season with top players out of the lineup vs Trevor Lawrence who had the majority of his top guys available all year long with his big arm and flowing locks. Both in their 3rd season in the NFL.

As far as reaction to Lawrence getting paid I don't recall many people being critical of the deal. If anything people should be excited about Brock's future with a healthy team around him. The whole idea that he needs All Pros everywhere is unfounded. Like I said before nobody brings up the talent Goff or Hurts have around them...why not? Is their arm strength giving them that much more ability to play with lesser talent? The film certainly doesn't back that up when their top guys are out. So what is it about Brock that we're not feeling confident about outside of his draft status and physical traits?

I was never a fan of the Lawrence contract, another QB decoy. Nobody brings up Goof or Hurts cause..they weren't a 7th rounder I am guessing. 252. Some ppl who knew football, knew Brock was special right off the bat..others..well..needed to be convinced over quite a stretch of time, needed several other positive remarks for validation and may still feel the need to be critical..just in case idk. But I would take Brock over Goldylocks and Goff the ghost hunter any day.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
He definitely excels in Kyle's system more than he may in others, but deserves the money nonetheless. I'm sure the Dolphins would salivate at the thought of him playing there. Could you imagine him throwing to Hill and Waddle?

And he is a really good scrambler unlike Tua.

Originally posted by Montana:
I was never a fan of the Lawrence contract, another QB decoy. Nobody brings up Goof or Hurts cause..they weren't a 7th rounder I am guessing. 252. Some ppl who knew football, knew Brock was special right off the bat..others..well..needed to be convinced over quite a stretch of time, needed several other positive remarks for validation and may still feel the need to be critical..just in case idk. But I would take Brock over Goldylocks and Goff the ghost hunter any day.

Good point. You can argue about whether Kyle is a great HC or not but he is definitely a great football mind and he clearly bought into Brock VERY quickly.

I know I thought we'd have an open competition heading into 2023, especially with Brock's elbow injury but Kyle saw enough from both Brock, Trey and Darnold. That goes a long way with me.

We can compare stats until we're blue in the face, but in the end, guys like Lawrence doesn't have what Purdy has. One of the best play callers in the league, one of the best running backs, tight ends, left tackles and a good receiving corp. Purdy fits what Shanahan wants to do offensively, but so did Jimmy G, RG3, Kurt Cousins and Matt Ryan. As long as they win, then it will be a good contract for Purdy and with one of the easiest schedules given to any team in the last decade, if the Niners don't go at least 11-6, then it will be a disappointment.

Yeah, I thought initially that we would have a little competition in 2023..until I went to the Raiders preseason game..I was second row behind the bench where the qbs were..it was really telling. The playing, of course, but also the body language when they weren't playing. Trey looked like the kid nobody wanted to have lunch with at school anymore lol. It was kinda sad and definitely awkward..he wasn't talking much to ppl, they weren't talking to him a lot. He had this completely deflated look. I think Trey knew it was done and everyone else did too..like the elephant in the room. But yeah, after that game, I said, "Brock is definitely solid QB1, Darnold #2, Allen #3..and Lance, Lance is..I think he's a goner, dunzo". I got some heat for saying Lance was dunzo.. and I second guessed it for a bit..that maybe there would be some competition and I was rooting for Lance to play a bit..but..it was clear. Pooph! Just like that. Crappy for Lance but it's the NFL. Cut throat.