QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Jimmy wasn't 23/24 years old though. As our roster got better he got worse. He got to ride the insane Deebo and Kittle yac days, whereas Brock has had to make something out of normal receivers. Both the rating systems that take context of plays into account (passer rating doesn't) had him top 10 last year. I'll trust them over a Jimmy lover

just watch the games. brock's passes were softballs, and we got last place in a weak division. i'm not saying brock is a bad player. he is to QB what jennings is to WR. good player, overachiever, hard worker. if you are paying that guy a top of his position contract, or close to it, you are messing up.

A guy that fought for Jimmy G has no clue what he's talking about. Just remember that

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Jimmy wasn't 23/24 years old though. As our roster got better he got worse. He got to ride the insane Deebo and Kittle yac days, whereas Brock has had to make something out of normal receivers. Both the rating systems that take context of plays into account (passer rating doesn't) had him top 10 last year. I'll trust them over a Jimmy lover

just watch the games. brock's passes were softballs, and we got last place in a weak division. i'm not saying brock is a bad player. he is to QB what jennings is to WR. good player, overachiever, hard worker. if you are paying that guy a top of his position contract, or close to it, you are messing up.

A guy that fought for Jimmy G has no clue what he's talking about. Just remember that

which guy are you talking about, kyle, jed, lynch? or the 100% of the board that was excited for that move at the time

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Jimmy wasn't 23/24 years old though. As our roster got better he got worse. He got to ride the insane Deebo and Kittle yac days, whereas Brock has had to make something out of normal receivers. Both the rating systems that take context of plays into account (passer rating doesn't) had him top 10 last year. I'll trust them over a Jimmy lover

just watch the games. brock's passes were softballs, and we got last place in a weak division. i'm not saying brock is a bad player. he is to QB what jennings is to WR. good player, overachiever, hard worker. if you are paying that guy a top of his position contract, or close to it, you are messing up.

A guy that fought for Jimmy G has no clue what he's talking about. Just remember that

which guy are you talking about, kyle, jed, lynch? or the 100% of the board that was excited for that move at the time

At that time yea. But still to this day? lol that guy would have to be clueless

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Jimmy wasn't 23/24 years old though. As our roster got better he got worse. He got to ride the insane Deebo and Kittle yac days, whereas Brock has had to make something out of normal receivers. Both the rating systems that take context of plays into account (passer rating doesn't) had him top 10 last year. I'll trust them over a Jimmy lover

just watch the games. brock's passes were softballs, and we got last place in a weak division. i'm not saying brock is a bad player. he is to QB what jennings is to WR. good player, overachiever, hard worker. if you are paying that guy a top of his position contract, or close to it, you are messing up.

A guy that fought for Jimmy G has no clue what he's talking about. Just remember that

which guy are you talking about, kyle, jed, lynch? or the 100% of the board that was excited for that move at the time

Yeah I loved when we got him in 17. I wanted to move on after he lost in 19 lol.

Are you not high on Brock? What do you think they should do? (Sorry I haven't kept up in this thread)

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah I loved when we got him in 17. I wanted to move on after he lost in 19 lol.

Are you not high on Brock? What do you think they should do? (Sorry I haven't kept up in this thread)

i was high on brock and 2024 was a rough season. he had nothing on his passes. he held the ball longer than needed at times, and wasn't that accurate. other teams are now camping the middle of the field, sitting on our in breaking routes that we love to throw with brock. i can't say i like our QB room that much, especially if we do some huge contract on brock. his arm is an issue. there's really not a lot he does well. he's unflappable and he's got short area quickness to make a guy miss. that's about his skill set. i wouldn't say he throws outside the numbers well, or downfield well or is a designed run threat or anything like that. i would have tried to get a more dynamic playmaker QB2 on roster to see how the O looks with that guy, if brock is not available or not performing. this O is run oriented, why not get a QB who can add to that, and have the arm to back off safeties. i would draw a line in the sand on the contract, and say we're not gonna dramatically outbid the rest of the nfl in terms of his deal.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Jimmy wasn't 23/24 years old though. As our roster got better he got worse. He got to ride the insane Deebo and Kittle yac days, whereas Brock has had to make something out of normal receivers. Both the rating systems that take context of plays into account (passer rating doesn't) had him top 10 last year. I'll trust them over a Jimmy lover

just watch the games. brock's passes were softballs, and we got last place in a weak division. i'm not saying brock is a bad player. he is to QB what jennings is to WR. good player, overachiever, hard worker. if you are paying that guy a top of his position contract, or close to it, you are messing up.

A guy that fought for Jimmy G has no clue what he's talking about. Just remember that

which guy are you talking about, kyle, jed, lynch? or the 100% of the board that was excited for that move at the time

At that time yea. But still to this day? lol that guy would have to be clueless

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah I loved when we got him in 17. I wanted to move on after he lost in 19 lol.

Are you not high on Brock? What do you think they should do? (Sorry I haven't kept up in this thread)

i was high on brock and 2024 was a rough season. he had nothing on his passes. he held the ball longer than needed at times, and wasn't that accurate. other teams are now camping the middle of the field, sitting on our in breaking routes that we love to throw with brock. i can't say i like our QB room that much, especially if we do some huge contract on brock. his arm is an issue. there's really not a lot he does well. he's unflappable and he's got short area quickness to make a guy miss. that's about his skill set. i wouldn't say he throws outside the numbers well, or downfield well or is a designed run threat or anything like that. i would have tried to get a more dynamic playmaker QB2 on roster to see how the O looks with that guy, if brock is not available or not performing. this O is run oriented, why not get a QB who can add to that, and have the arm to back off safeties. i would draw a line in the sand on the contract, and say we're not gonna dramatically outbid the rest of the nfl in terms of his deal.

Ouch, last year was rough, but I more question Kyle since the years before that Purdy was better and aggressive throwing downfield etc. Kyles scheme emphasizes the middle of the field so I think defenses play those tendencies now. Same could be said of Jimmy G's tenure here tbh.

I think with improved protection Purdy is fine. His arm isn't anything great, but that's why he needs time for his timing etc. If we see the same trend, then we have to look at what the coach is coaching them.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah I loved when we got him in 17. I wanted to move on after he lost in 19 lol.

Are you not high on Brock? What do you think they should do? (Sorry I haven't kept up in this thread)

i was high on brock and 2024 was a rough season. he had nothing on his passes. he held the ball longer than needed at times, and wasn't that accurate. other teams are now camping the middle of the field, sitting on our in breaking routes that we love to throw with brock. i can't say i like our QB room that much, especially if we do some huge contract on brock. his arm is an issue. there's really not a lot he does well. he's unflappable and he's got short area quickness to make a guy miss. that's about his skill set. i wouldn't say he throws outside the numbers well, or downfield well or is a designed run threat or anything like that. i would have tried to get a more dynamic playmaker QB2 on roster to see how the O looks with that guy, if brock is not available or not performing. this O is run oriented, why not get a QB who can add to that, and have the arm to back off safeties. i would draw a line in the sand on the contract, and say we're not gonna dramatically outbid the rest of the nfl in terms of his deal.

Ouch, last year was rough, but I more question Kyle since the years before that Purdy was better and aggressive throwing downfield etc. Kyles scheme emphasizes the middle of the field so I think defenses play those tendencies now. Same could be said of Jimmy G's tenure here tbh.

I think with improved protection Purdy is fine. His arm isn't anything great, but that's why he needs time for his timing etc. If we see the same trend, then we have to look at what the coach is coaching them.

Who was Brock throwing to last season? Who was he handing the ball to on running plays? What sort of shape was the O-line in? You guys seem to be saying all that doesn't matter, Brock is weak. I'm sure glad that you fellas aren't in charge of personnel.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Typecast:
Only persons to bring up "insult" in this thread in the last year is you (and now me).

you cant possibly be this dense, can you?

https://www.thesaurus.com/

Brother, you used quotation marks. Do you know what quotation marks mean? You don't need to recommend a thesaurus. You need to crack a book on grammar. Why can't you ever just admit you were wrong?

Originally posted by random49er:
Sure,...you won't personally "commit" to any type of yes or no regarding "numbers",...but 99% your disagreement energy on this subject seems to go towards the posters that think he may not command $50M of cap space on a yearly basis just yet.

Originally posted by random49er:
Let's get to what the OP really means, which is what is the "bad look" stuff, and how extreme is it, and why on Earth some here would suggest it matters more than keeping cap hit values down so we can sign other good players.

Originally posted by random49er:
What is the WEIGHT of this supposed "Bad Look" in relation to huge cap hits that the 49ers have to abide by for years???

Trying to reply through this by repeatedly misusing quotation marks is silly.

Originally posted by eastie:
Who was Brock throwing to last season? Who was he handing the ball to on running plays? What sort of shape was the O-line in? You guys seem to be saying all that doesn't matter, Brock is weak. I'm sure glad that you fellas aren't in charge of personnel.

this shifts the convo away from brock and to situation. brock is very fortunate to have been drafted by SF. he was drafted into a SB contender, with elite O personnel and an elite playcaller HC.

I have a problem with giving a huge contract to a player that is still developing and has some questions surrounding him. It would be different if he hadn't had the elbow issue and had won the SB. I'm not going to blame him for losing it but the fact is it's one of the factors that GMs and fans look at when evaluatng a QB. The old llne is they get too much credit when the win and too much blame when they lose. He's had one really good season and one so-so season. That's not a lot of games under his belt. Plus he did have a serious elbow injury and hurt it again slightly in the final game this season.

I don't blame the Niners for being a little cautious after what they went through with JG. Whether they pay him $45 mil or $55 mil it's a lot of money. I said yesterday that I would like to see it heavily front loaded so in a couple of years they can get out of the deal if they want to without a major cap hit. In 2 years they'll have to make some decisions on Warner, Kittle and some others. Williams will be replaced. CMC will likely be gone. Same for Aiyuk. They may need to replace the TE, LB, Left Tackle, WR and RB. Starting in 2026 Bosa's cap hit will be over $40 mil. I imagine that they'll rework his deal but what if he decides to play hardball. All these factors come into play when negotiating Purdy's contract.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:
Okay. I disagree. Balance is necessary. Signing everyone to big contracts can even turn "good players" into average ones. You become attractive to guys maybe willing to retire but want one last good check,...like they gave with Brock, Aiyuk, et. al.

That kinda stuff is the opposite of a competitive advantage, IMO.

55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

55 aav mil is a "big contract" for a 25 year old franchise qb. 55M/yr (275M/5) would be T-3rd in extension AAV, 5th in total AAV. %cap, like extension AAV, is a terrible metric as the cap does not grow the same year-to-year. In 2021, the cap went down instead of up due to COVID.

Mahomes contract is a tricky contract. Yes, he signed a 450M/10 year extension in 2020. Yes, it dumpstered previous top contracts on averages. It was #1 in extension AAV until Rodgers (2022, 50.3M) and total AAV until Watson (2022, 46M). Mahomes and the Chiefs agreed that they would bring his money inline with the top QBs when COVID was over. In 2023, they did just that by adjusting the 417M/9 he had remaining. The Chiefs moved 45M in compensation from 2028-31 to pay out over 2023-26, ballooning his 2023 5-year cash flow from 216M to 261M (52.2M/yr). Compared to other total AAVs, that 52.2M/yr would be #3 (Allen 55M, Dak 53.8M, and Lamar 52M). In 2028, 156M and 4 years remain on his contract (39M/yr). Either the Chiefs will extend Mahomes or they will move more cash to juice Mahomes' 2028 cash before extending him in 2029. The Bills did the latter last season, moving up cash from 2025 to payout in 2024 before handing him a market-resetting contract in 2025.

Pay this b***h so we can get on with the offseason.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

I'm amazed to see how "the skies the limit" if we paid him 45-50M a year, but once we hit 51M a year, the team is going into the dumpster... Paying a quarterback 50-60M per year (TOTAL AAV, not extension AAV) isn't going to inhibit the front office from building a team around Purdy. The average cash he's going to get paid DOES NOT MATTER for building the team. Cap hits matter for the team. You can assuage the spending through bonus proration on the accounting, like most teams already do.

The QB market is what it is and it was exacerbated by owners wanting incoming players to prove themselves on a wage scale before getting their first big contract. When those players prove themselves, you pay them. Purdy has proven himself.