QB Brock Purdy Thread

Throwing into double coverage isn't advised but it sometimes can produce the biggest reward. Instead of playing it safe and getting a 5-10 yard completion, you take a risk and go for the 30 yard TD. It may get knocked down or intercepted but if it's a TD the reward was worth the risk.

The key is knowing when to take that risk and when to be conservative. You don't take that risk when trying to make a game winning drive with a couple minutes left. On the other hand, if it's at the end of the half and you're getting the second half kickoff, then you might go for it. Conservative play can give good results in the right situation but it's not very effective if you have to come from 2 or more scores down. Being aggressive and taking risks on a semi regular basis can get you prepared for those late game comebacks so the team and the QB don't panic.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Just to throw some gas on this… hahaha Geno Smith had 2-3 EASY EASY pics that we dropped - hit us right in the bread basket.
Should his pro bowl be stripped?

You tell me. It's opinion.

I enjoy data and use it daily in my career to make decisions. I love sifting through data and analyzing - but it's also just as dangerous as it is awesome. With PFF/AWS etc - the amount of data available today is EXPONENTIALLY more than ever before, which is awesome. We can analyze things and break them down in a granular fashion.

with that said, i don't understand these kind of debates on here. They seem unproductive.

I believe that an overwhelming majority of us will support and ride with whoever is our QB. Obviously, some on here and just trolls, but most of us just want our team to succeed and whoever it is at QB - it is.

A truck is dangerous (extremely dangerous, in fact) if you don't know how to drive it. If you know what you are doing with it, it's extremely beneficial.

I'm not going to go amongst a bunch of truck drivers and yell @ them that they need to stop driving trucks. This rationale applies to alot of stuff.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Sometimes throwing into double coverage isn't bad, sometimes it is.
The problem is with where to draw the line.

No line needed. They compile over time and you take them @ face value. Microanalysis of one stat by itself is unnecessary. As suggested,...simply leave it to others that appreciate and understand the extra information.

As I've already proven in multiple ways, it can be very useful.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Throwing into double coverage isn't advised but it sometimes can produce the biggest reward. Instead of playing it safe and getting a 5-10 yard completion, you take a risk and go for the 30 yard TD. It may get knocked down or intercepted but if it's a TD the reward was worth the risk.

The key is knowing when to take that risk and when to be conservative. You don't take that risk when trying to make a game winning drive with a couple minutes left. On the other hand, if it's at the end of the half and you're getting the second half kickoff, then you might go for it. Conservative play can give good results in the right situation but it's not very effective if you have to come from 2 or more scores down. Being aggressive and taking risks on a semi regular basis can get you prepared for those late game comebacks so the team and the QB don't panic.

Exactly, there is a time and a place for aggressive and conservative play. In our limited sample size, I think Brock navigates that fine line very well so far.

I think the real question regarding tight window/throwing into traffic is… is the qb accurate enough to make those throws consistently? So far, Brock has been. If he keeps it up, that's a trait that the elites have. Very exciting.

i don't think we've had a QB since maybe Garcia that would/could fit the ball into tight windows between a few defenders. If Purdy can continue to hit those tight window throws - it's going to be awesome

Originally posted by random49er:
A truck is dangerous (extremely dangerous, in fact) if you don't know how to drive it. If you know what you are doing with it, it's extremely beneficial.

I'm not going to go amongst a bunch of truck drivers and yell @ them that they need to stop driving trucks. This rationale applies to alot of stuff.

Yeah, I'm not going to either - to each their own. I was just saying idk why people spend there time debating those kind of "trucks" hahaha.

people are going to believe what they want to believe. At least we know one thing for certain - we have two young QBs who at worst, are functional in this offense to help us win. It could be 2016 and we can't buy a win or decent qb play 😭😭

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Yes, and you are a string advocate of benching Brock for Trey next year.

This is the disingenuous, unproductive nature of this forum sometimes. Purposely lying on what a guy has been saying to ignite an inciteful response. And with certain posters here, we're pretty used to it by now.

You could've spent this post discussing something about the 49ers instead of trying to bait NY in on this one. There's a helluva lot of other stuff he's said that you can disagree with instead of making up things he never said.

Does anyone have the data on how many sacks Purdy has avoided? The line has been playing well but Purdy seems to have done a great job avoiding sacks/throwing it away.

i find this interesting because his mobility in the pocket has saved us a lot of negative plays, even if the play ended up 0 net positive yards

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The INT stat itself is objective because it stands and will forever be counted on that players stat sheet. The stat is also subjective because of reasons that can be debated over who was at fault for the INT. That is where the stat TWP comes into play. It attempts to place fault on the QB for plays that were and leave out plays that were not.

Yea the point is, you 2 were discussing it in completely different definitions that do not relate to each other.

In the context of what THL is saying, it's not in any way subjective. It's completely objective and this isin't debatable.

I think I clearly stated in the post you just quoted what is objective and what is subjective.

The topic started on the basis of placing fault on an individual player for the purpose of player evaluation. Which is why the TWP stat was created in the first place. The INT stat leaves a lot to be desired because it doesn't separate individual performance but instead is a derogatory remark on the QB only inspite of the variables on each individual INT.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Does anyone have the data on how many sacks Purdy has avoided? The line has been playing well but Purdy seems to have done a great job avoiding sacks/throwing it away.

i find this interesting because his mobility in the pocket has saved us a lot of negative plays, even if the play ended up 0 net positive yards

13.7% pressure to sack % is best I can do for you.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Does anyone have the data on how many sacks Purdy has avoided? The line has been playing well but Purdy seems to have done a great job avoiding sacks/throwing it away.

i find this interesting because his mobility in the pocket has saved us a lot of negative plays, even if the play ended up 0 net positive yards

13.7% pressure to sack % is best I can do for you.

Hmm do you mind expanding on what that means? Or providing a link where I can read up on it?

does that mean that he gets sacked 13.7% of the time he is pressure? Do you have those numbers for Lance and jimmy This year or last?

lances is a small sample size but I'm just curious

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Sometimes throwing into double coverage isn't bad, sometimes it is.
The problem is with where to draw the line.
I have no idea what the "results" are of what other unknown people deem to be TOWP or First Down Worthy Plays or Reception Worthy Plays or Touchdown Worthy Plays because I dismiss them.
I use my eyes and statistics to evaluate 49er QBs.

Not my problem if you don't want to take the time to understand how certain data is produced…saying you don't like it "just because" doesn't sound like a great rebuttal to me. TWPR is a statistic that has a ton of correlation to bad QB play and INTs year after year. If you can't "see" that a pass is inaccurate, that a QB miss reads a coverage or yes throws into double coverage when he shouldn't be…again that's not my problem and it doesn't take away anything from that stat overall imo.

It also doesn't mean Brock hasn't been playing good ball, he's gotta tighten up on some stuff if we want to go all the way.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So does every other fan who is interested in player evaluation. The individual fan is always biased in which stats they choose to accept and ignore depending on how they feel about each individual player.

Bingo

Originally posted by tankle104:
Does anyone have the data on how many sacks Purdy has avoided? The line has been playing well but Purdy seems to have done a great job avoiding sacks/throwing it away.

i find this interesting because his mobility in the pocket has saved us a lot of negative plays, even if the play ended up 0 net positive yards

He's also much better than Jimmy in regards of throwing balls away when the play is dead.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Does anyone have the data on how many sacks Purdy has avoided? The line has been playing well but Purdy seems to have done a great job avoiding sacks/throwing it away.

i find this interesting because his mobility in the pocket has saved us a lot of negative plays, even if the play ended up 0 net positive yards

Brock being able to evade pressure without looking directly at the pressure is one of the more impressive traits he's displayed. He's bailed the OL out of several pressures given up. His short area quickness is a skillset I never knew he had until he played.

Purdy's pass that bounced off Kittle's chest in the end zone. Purdy zipped it between two defenders to hit Kittle.
is it a Turnover worthy play, or Touchdown worthy play… or both?

I was thinking of the TOWP as an analysis of incompletions, but plays like this really could be both. A tick under each for one incompletion, which kinda confuses the data a little for me. Perhaps not, and I'm overthinking,