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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Stafford situation isn't similar at all. I'm sorry dude


It can be completely different. That's fine. Where people were confused at is what "market value" really means.

If you have a player that 31 other teams refuse to sign,...they have no market value. You sign them for the minimum if you want to take a chance for them.

I hope you're getting the point? And that situation doesn't need to be similar to Brock, lol. What market value really means has been evidenced time and time again.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Stafford situation isn't similar at all. I'm sorry dude


It can be completely different. That's fine. Where people were confused at is what "market value" really means.

If you have a player that 31 other teams refuse to sign,...they have no market value. You sign them for the minimum if you want to take a chance for them.

I hope you're getting the point? And that situation doesn't need to be similar to Brock, lol. What market value really means has been evidenced time and time again.

Cool…once the 49ers find themselves in such an instance I'm sure they'll look for negotiation advice from us.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Stafford situation isn't similar at all. I'm sorry dude


It can be completely different. That's fine. Where people were confused at is what "market value" really means.

If you have a player that 31 other teams refuse to sign,...they have no market value. You sign them for the minimum if you want to take a chance for them.

I hope you're getting the point? And that situation doesn't need to be similar to Brock, lol. What market value really means has been evidenced time and time again.

Cool…once the 49ers find themselves in such an instance I'm sure they'll look for negotiation advice from us.

It's not advice. It's a definition.



investopedia.com/terms/m/marketvalue

People's willingness to debate clearly-defined definitions that aren't up for debate tells us just how far from reality we tend to get here.
[ Edited by random49er on Feb 23, 2025 at 2:10 PM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
We are win now right?

how about we let Purdy, who had a crappy season last season, either sit or we trade him and bring stafford here for 1-2 years. Stafford is more "win now" ready than Brock is.

Right now stafford is a better QB.

Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…

OMG, you brought numbers to back up your comments.

I saw no comparisons made tho. Only numbers. He didn't make any comment,....lol. The numbers thing is an automatic FAIL without any argument made that they can then support.

Do you even know what you're saying here?
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
We are win now right?

how about we let Purdy, who had a crappy season last season, either sit or we trade him and bring stafford here for 1-2 years. Stafford is more "win now" ready than Brock is.

Right now stafford is a better QB.

Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…

OMG, you brought numbers to back up your comments.

I saw no comparisons made tho. Only numbers. He didn't make any comment,....lol. The numbers thing is an automatic FAIL without any argument made that they can then support.

Do you even know what you're saying here?


Numbers blurted out with no argument attached are just that....numbers. Numbers are great. Let's use them right tho....just as we should with dictionaries (see above).
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Stafford situation isn't similar at all. I'm sorry dude


It can be completely different. That's fine. Where people were confused at is what "market value" really means.

If you have a player that 31 other teams refuse to sign,...they have no market value. You sign them for the minimum if you want to take a chance for them.

I hope you're getting the point? And that situation doesn't need to be similar to Brock, lol. What market value really means has been evidenced time and time again.

Cool…once the 49ers find themselves in such an instance I'm sure they'll look for negotiation advice from us.

It's not advice. It's a definition.

Once again…what?

You're in here trying to educate people on what market value is while brining up a hypothetical case that doesn't apply to the discussion. So you're either offering up nothing to the discussion in this thread or have no idea what you're even talking about.

Which is it?
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The Stafford situation isn't similar at all. I'm sorry dude


It can be completely different. That's fine. Where people were confused at is what "market value" really means.

If you have a player that 31 other teams refuse to sign,...they have no market value. You sign them for the minimum if you want to take a chance for them.

I hope you're getting the point? And that situation doesn't need to be similar to Brock, lol. What market value really means has been evidenced time and time again.

Cool…once the 49ers find themselves in such an instance I'm sure they'll look for negotiation advice from us.

It's not advice. It's a definition.

Once again…what?

You're in here trying to educate people on what market value is while brining up a hypothetical case that doesn't apply to the discussion. So you're either offering up nothing to the discussion in this thread or have no idea what you're even talking about.

Which is it?

Dude is only here for snarky comments and basically critique everyone else's post.
[ Edited by Kolohe on Feb 23, 2025 at 2:19 PM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
We are win now right?

how about we let Purdy, who had a crappy season last season, either sit or we trade him and bring stafford here for 1-2 years. Stafford is more "win now" ready than Brock is.

Right now stafford is a better QB.

Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…

OMG, you brought numbers to back up your comments.

I saw no comparisons made tho. Only numbers. He didn't make any comment,....lol. The numbers thing is an automatic FAIL without any argument made that they can then support.

Do you even know what you're saying here?


Numbers blurted out with no argument attached are just that....numbers. Numbers are great. Let's use them right tho....just as we should with dictionaries (see above).

You repeatedly keep missing the point in threads and pretend your lack of comprehension or lazy logic should apply to everyone else.

It's not a complicated set of posts to follow. The man claimed Purdy in his 3rd season in the NFL filled with regression across the board on his team had a "crappy season" and that the smart thing would be to trade with a division rival for Stafford who is a better QB.

I posted that "better QBs" numbers in comparison to "crappy season" Brock to explain how Stafford is that much better given the post is looking for us to push Purdy aside and trade(and likely pay extra as a division rival) for Stafford whose worse performance number wise, arguably with an equal or greater team and playcalling around him last season was a smart move.
Originally posted by genus49:
Once again…what?

You're in here trying to educate people on what market value is while brining up a hypothetical case that doesn't apply to the discussion. So you're either offering up nothing to the discussion in this thread or have no idea what you're even talking about.

Which is it?

Market value is exactly what it's called (The personal you're doing this and you're doing that stuff, as said before, I have no interest in)



Multiple potential buyers need to be included to assess market value. So one team vastly overpaying a player that was NOT anywhere close to testing the market does not Auto-Assess another players market value.

This is a huge FAILURE of an argument we've seen here when 1st Overall picks like Trevor Lawrence are brought up. Lol...his contract does NOT set another players market value in any way.

It should be clear what the term really means so we can discuss it properly. Your brother, NY, linked you to evidence of it. It's really an open and shut case.
[ Edited by random49er on Feb 23, 2025 at 2:22 PM ]
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
We are win now right?

how about we let Purdy, who had a crappy season last season, either sit or we trade him and bring stafford here for 1-2 years. Stafford is more "win now" ready than Brock is.

Right now stafford is a better QB.

Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…

OMG, you brought numbers to back up your comments.

I saw no comparisons made tho. Only numbers. He didn't make any comment,....lol. The numbers thing is an automatic FAIL without any argument made that they can then support.

Do you even know what you're saying here?


Numbers blurted out with no argument attached are just that....numbers. Numbers are great. Let's use them right tho....just as we should with dictionaries (see above).

You repeatedly keep missing the point in threads and pretend your lack of comprehension or lazy logic should apply to everyone else.

It's not a complicated set of posts to follow. The man claimed Purdy in his 3rd season in the NFL filled with regression across the board on his team had a "crappy season" and that the smart thing would be to trade with a division rival for Stafford who is a better QB.

I posted that "better QBs" numbers in comparison to "crappy season" Brock to explain how Stafford is that much better given the post is looking for us to push Purdy aside and trade(and likely pay extra as a division rival) for Stafford whose worse performance number wise, arguably with an equal or greater team and playcalling around him last season was a smart move.

This is not what you said. You said this:

Originally posted by genus49:
Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…


This is what you said (it's right above, lol). There was no comparison made....just a question asked ("Is he?") and 2 sets of numbers we can all individually compare for ourselves, I guess.

As said before, numbers are numbers. They aren't their own, independent argument. (This is me making my own argument, not trying decipher a hidden one you may have and "getting it wrong"...lol)

I dont think anyone here is against numbers when alot of the game revolves around them. But there are some people that are against using them without a clue of how to put them in some kind of coherent context.

And a tidbit on Dak's contract and what happened (as compared to Watson)....since that one gets floated around as well....



Dak Prescott Won His Negotiations Again
[ Edited by random49er on Feb 23, 2025 at 2:35 PM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Once again…what?

You're in here trying to educate people on what market value is while brining up a hypothetical case that doesn't apply to the discussion. So you're either offering up nothing to the discussion in this thread or have no idea what you're even talking about.

Which is it?

Market value is exactly what it's called (The personal you're doing this and you're doing that stuff, as said before, I have no interest in)



Multiple potential buyers need to be included to assess market value. So one team vastly overpaying a player that was NOT anywhere close to testing the market does not Auto-Assess another players market value.

This is a huge FAILURE of an argument we've seen here when 1st Overall picks like Trevor Lawrence are brought up. Lol...his contract does NOT set another players market value in any way.

It should be clear what the term really means so we can discuss it properly. Your brother, NY, linked you to evidence of it. It's really an open and shut case.

It's laughable that you're the first one to run in to point out people leaving out key information and want to pretend that market value in business settings is the same as the NFL?

Your own definition doesn't apply to the discussion here so you can cite whatever you want it does nothing for your point.

There are several teams in the NFL who do not have a proven QB right now and would be very willing to pay a proven player like Brock Purdy with his limitations and all because he is young, proven and doesn't come with extra baggage and locker room disruption tendencies.

So the whole "if 31 other teams won't pay him" blah blah goes out the window.

And as for prior contracts they 100% do just that. Agents use former contracts as part of the negotiations and Brock's agents will certainly bring that up as well as listing how little Lawrence accomplished. The 49ers will bring up Brock's limitations, his injuries and everything else to lower his value.

That's the game but in the end you're not trying to damage the relationship with the guy you see as your franchise leader so it's a fine line to walk. They will not play the "go see what other teams will pay you and come back to us" and I don't think Brock will make them go that route.

But the whole red herring that you and others keep grabbing on to is that market value is thrown around based on the APY stuff thrown around. That number is easy to fluff and the 49ers are one of the best teams of doing it.

So Brock may very well get the "market value" in terms of APY which takes into account the averages of the top guys and maybe we can fluff his APY all the way into the "highest QB deal ever" category similar to how Jalen Hurts did but when the details come out the cap hits will be far from the market value people fear.

Which is why I've said for many a page in here we're arguing for no good reason. The deal will get done, we'll hear the details and then everyone can react.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
We are win now right?

how about we let Purdy, who had a crappy season last season, either sit or we trade him and bring stafford here for 1-2 years. Stafford is more "win now" ready than Brock is.

Right now stafford is a better QB.

Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…

OMG, you brought numbers to back up your comments.

I saw no comparisons made tho. Only numbers. He didn't make any comment,....lol. The numbers thing is an automatic FAIL without any argument made that they can then support.

Do you even know what you're saying here?
We all know what these guys would say if the numbers favored the other guy lol
Originally posted by genus49:
It's laughable that you're the first one to run in to point out people leaving out key information and want to pretend that market value in business settings is the same as the NFL?

Your own definition doesn't apply to the discussion here so you can cite whatever you want it does nothing for your point.

It 100% applies to it because it's the very definition of it. Some guys get overpaid (Trevor? Dak? We'll see),...some guys get underpaid (Brady for multiple yrs, obviously).

But this does not spell out what their true market value is. What they'd fetch on the open market is their market value. Nothing else.

It's not advice, it's just a simple definition that no, homer 49ers can't sit around and recreate due to a love of their favorite player. Brother NY clearly linked us to a current, real-time example of the use of it.
[ Edited by random49er on Feb 23, 2025 at 2:48 PM ]
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by bud49:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
We are win now right?

how about we let Purdy, who had a crappy season last season, either sit or we trade him and bring stafford here for 1-2 years. Stafford is more "win now" ready than Brock is.

Right now stafford is a better QB.

Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…

OMG, you brought numbers to back up your comments.

I saw no comparisons made tho. Only numbers. He didn't make any comment,....lol. The numbers thing is an automatic FAIL without any argument made that they can then support.

Do you even know what you're saying here?


Numbers blurted out with no argument attached are just that....numbers. Numbers are great. Let's use them right tho....just as we should with dictionaries (see above).

You repeatedly keep missing the point in threads and pretend your lack of comprehension or lazy logic should apply to everyone else.

It's not a complicated set of posts to follow. The man claimed Purdy in his 3rd season in the NFL filled with regression across the board on his team had a "crappy season" and that the smart thing would be to trade with a division rival for Stafford who is a better QB.

I posted that "better QBs" numbers in comparison to "crappy season" Brock to explain how Stafford is that much better given the post is looking for us to push Purdy aside and trade(and likely pay extra as a division rival) for Stafford whose worse performance number wise, arguably with an equal or greater team and playcalling around him last season was a smart move.

This is not what you said. You said this:

Originally posted by genus49:
Is he?

Purdy with his "crappy season" compared to a better QB Stafford…


This is what you said (it's right above, lol). There was no comparison made....just a question asked ("Is he?") and 2 sets of numbers we can all individually compare for ourselves, I guess.

As said before, numbers are numbers. They aren't their own, independent argument. (This is me making my own argument, not trying decipher a hidden one you may have and "getting it wrong"...lol)

And a tidbit on Dak's contract and what happened (as compared to Watson)....since that one gets floated around as well....



Dak Prescott Won His Negotiations Again

Like I said, it was clear for anyone not looking to start something.

A better QB who should be traded for with a division rival should be blowing away the "crappy QB" out of the water, especially when that better QB has a comparable if not better situation.

As for Dak, I don't care. He wasn't coming off his rookie season and Dallas is a whole other animal when it comes to contract negotiations.

If you want to put money on it I've got $100 on Brock getting a fluffed up deal that is a lot more like the Jalen Hurts deal than the one Dak or Joe Burrow signed.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
It's laughable that you're the first one to run in to point out people leaving out key information and want to pretend that market value in business settings is the same as the NFL?

Your own definition doesn't apply to the discussion here so you can cite whatever you want it does nothing for your point.

It 100% applies to it because it's the very definition of it. Some guys get overpaid (Trevor? Dak? We'll see),...some guys get underpaid (Brady for multiple yrs, obviously).

But this does not spell out what their true market value is. What they'd fetch on the open market is their market value. Nothing else.

It's not advise, it's just a simple definition that no, homer 49ers can't sit around and recreate due to a love of their favorite player. Brother NY clearly linked us to a current, real-time example of the use of it.

Jesus man are you so hung up on being right about trivial BS that you need to drill into definitions and ignore the clear context being talked about?

People throwing around market value…going rate better for you?

Contracts are negotiated outside of free agencies still use other contracts around the league. No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise it's still the case.

As far as what NY brought up it doesn't apply to the 49ers and Purdy so while it serves a purpose to showing a possible scenario it's in essence pointless because that's not going to be the same situation here.

People miss the human element of these things and the culture setting part.

Purdy saved this regime after the Trey miss, to throw him out there in a contentious negotiation would be a major black eye to the 49ers. Rams don't have that problem, yes Stafford won a SB with them but everyone understands he's older and regressing and he's made millions.

Purdy has played well above his contract and if the 49ers come off super cheap given what he's done it will not be a good look at all, especially after them paying Deebo, Bosa and Aiyuk the deals they got.

So a real world scenario that doesnt apply doesn't mean much in the discussions we have.
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