QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So far I was wrong about Wilson and Mac Jones, but right about Trey Lance.

So far.

So you are 0-3. maybe QB evals aren't your thing.

My take was
Lawrence: I thought he was an obvious #1 and one of the best prospects ever - but I was concerned with his lack of growth his final two years, although he still played well.

Wilson: never liked him. Never understood the hype. I have watched him this year just to talk s**t to my friend that was in love with him. Lol he played reckless and seemed immature to me. I'll admit - he does have a great arm and athletic.

Lance: I was sort of indifferent because I didn't know what to think because he barely played football and didn't really throw much. He threw 11 touchdowns combined in his last two years of high school. I wasn't exactly happy when we drafted him but I wasn't angry either.

fields: I liked fields a lot and still do. I think if he gets a good coach and some playmakers - he will grow.

Mac Jones: I liked Mac Jones too but I didn't really want to draft him, wouldn't of been upset if we did either because I thought he would be a good qb.

It's kind of happened how I expected but I thought Lawrence would if started faster (really meyers fault). I thought fields would of played better too but he has a rough situation.

I'll admit - I didn't expect Purdy to make the roster but I never looked into him. It was based on his draft status.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Well, we're number one in Power Rankings, and we don't have another quarterback that can play this year. Stop with people deciding what Brock's ceiling is.

Getting jimmy back for the playoffs is very important. We want him to be available if we need him.

back in 2001 when Brady replaced Bledsoe - Brady got hurt in the AFCC - and Bledsoe helped finish the game and led them to a victory. We want jimmy back just to make sure we have a functional QB if something else, or more, injuries happen to Purdy.

Yes, but I don't think we're going to have him, and if we do, he's going to be rusty. IMO, we lose anyway.

Yeah you don't want him playing, that means Purdy either sucks or hurt, but a Rusty Jimmy is better than an old Josh Johnson that hasn't played here. It's the best backup option we can hope for.

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
No need to trade Lance whilst he's still developing as a QB.

It's way too early to give up on someone you gave up a small fortune to acquire In the first place.

the top 3 draft pick that the 49ers gave up even more for needs "developing", while a rookie that was the last pick of the draft is playing like a 5 year veteran.

And outplaying the 9 year veteran. I'm not gonna lie, I'm beginning to find it hard to contain my excitement, even though I know at this point it is not rational. But good lord this kid keeps checking the boxes.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yea Treys best tape (Texans game) doesn't really impress me either. Purdys play is just so much more fluid than Treys. You can tell why Kyle rarely let Trey pass the ball when you watch his film

Even his scrambles look meh! That's supposed to be what separates him and he doesn't really even look good doing that. His best runs are the designed stuff.

He is okay running the ball up the gut. Kyle tried to run him outside a lot last season. Trey wasn't very good getting to the edge which I am sure is the reason why Kyle switched up and had him running up the gut this season.

I keep saying it! Lance isn't "mobile" because he isn't quick/elusive/agile etc - he's big and fast, so if you can get him running fast in the open, he's great. Outside of that - he was pretty ineffective.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am looking at the full body of work, not just Trey's 1.25 starts this season. We started off 3-5 last season and played very well down the stretch and went deep into the playoffs. Sounds like things are repeating themselves once again this season. To say that we wouldn't have turned things around again if it wasn't for CMC is a stretch of the imagination. Now that isn't to take anything away from CMC and the success he's had here. He has been great. But Kyle was also the one who turned Deebo into a star last season. To think that he wouldn't have found another way if we didn't acquire CMC is ignoring the fact that Kyle did the same thing with a different player the year before.

Just a collection of stuff. Our defense is lights out and we're hitting those downfield plays, which in fact opens everything (like we all said it would). I'd say the OL for the most part is doing much better now, then at the beginning of the season. I rewatched that WK1 game and they were pretty freaking bad. No team is the same early in the yr to now…and hell yeah CMC from a pass catching and scheme standpoint has been a big factor.

Agreed. And even with the schemed up shot plays, Brock is still nearly dead last in IAY at 6.5. This is a running and short pass offense with a couple set-up shot passing plays a game. The good news is 1) they've been open and 2) Brock threw to them and 3) the receivers caught them.

Here's the thing about Purdy:

His intended air yards per pass attempt is only 6.5. Jimmy's is 6.9. But Purdy's COMPLETED air yards per pass attempt is 6.1, compared to 4.8 for Jimmy's. Who is the greater deep threat? It's Brock and it's not close. So there is a difference, and the difference is that Purdy's deep balls are actually dangerous.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
One thing Purdy has already proved for me at least is that he will be our #1 or #2 QB for the foreseeable future. For the literal last pick in the draft; incredible value and steal. Love this kid

This seems inevitable.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by kdoggie:

Originally posted by dj43:
…JG was playing better than he ever had.

History.

What the what. Let's be very clear here.

Jimmy doesn't escape a collapsing pocket and look downfield for open receivers like BCB. Jimmy doesn't have the legs to move up or around defenders looking to sack him. Jimmy doesn't scare defenses bc he's not as multi-dimensional as BCB.

There's a reason why Aiyuk and Kittle are putting up better numbers with BCB at QB. Because he can AND will take those shots downfield.

For those pro Jimmy, go back and look at the tape in the NFCCG. Go back and look how many times Kittle and Aiyuk were streaking up the sidelines wide ass open and Jimmy G never looked their way. Aiyuk was dejected AF for being so open and Jimmy not going his way. Ever. That's what you guys yearn for? Get real. We finally have a QB that can run the offense that Shanny wants to run. Enjoy the damn ride.

So Jimmy set the bar so low that you can basically suck but still make the NFCC and SB? Should be easy for Brock then right? Anything less should be unacceptable. This is arguably a better defense too.

I'm being slightly passive aggressive/sarcastic there but I say let's let the kid prove himself first. Let him win a playoff game and then go in the road and have a game winning drive like Jimmy has against GB.

If Brock also gets two blocked field goals, including one returned for a touchdown, with an opponent offense that scored over 30 points in 6 of its previous 7 games being held to 10 points, then yeah, then you can judge Brock fairly against Jimmy's 2021 season.

I remember during the draft process of 2021, the topic of natural thrower was prevalent in the draft section. This play precisely encapsulates what a natural thrower is. Purdy's delivery is sped up and arm slot changed; it doesn't matter. He throws a seed. Purdy doesn't have elite arm traits, but he absolutely has arm talent. Also, I think this is a throw that Trey could struggle with due to the moving parts in his throwing.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So far I was wrong about Wilson and Mac Jones, but right about Trey Lance.

So far.

So you are 0-3. maybe QB evals aren't your thing.

Oh yah what was I wrong about??

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Trey played in rain that SET ****ING RECORDS for the city of Chicago that day. 4th quarter was non-playable and 3rd quarter rain falling super hard when the Niners had the football. I was there sitting in that sh** all day.

First half 10 points of offense and Deebo fumbled early at the Bears 7 yard line preventing the opportunity for another TD to give us 17 in that first half. Trey made some elite tight window throws in the first half when the rain was somewhat manageable and missed one big throw to Kroft. 13 3rd down conversions...9 converted with his legs and Brock or Jimmy def not doing that either.

Quit making excuses for your guy. At the beginning of the game, there was very little rain. Lance missed two layups - one to Kroft and one to Deebo. One was a TD and the other would have kept a drive alive. Call them a lack of experience or whatever, but don't blame them on the rain. The rain had no influence on the first half. Had Lance hit those throws, and a couple of others, we would be sitting on the #2 seed and two home playoff games now. If you are going to condemn JG, condemn Lance on the same basis.

We will agree that we now have a quality QB that looks capable of a deep playoff run.

The rain excuse is preposterous. Did the rain cease all of a sudden when Fields was on offense? No. But Fields got the job done and Lance didn't. And Fields had nowhere near the weapons that Lance had.

Yeah, yeah it literally did, at least late in the game.



Rainfall often varies over time. For whatever reason, in that game we got the brunt of the rainfall. It was still raining when the Bears had it, but they didn't have to deal with it to this degree as much as we did. That's what happened.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Purdy doesn't have elite traits...

Purdy does have 1 elite trait, though. It shows up when he's pressured. His 10 yard split is like 95th percentile. Its the reason why he's so nifty and quick in short area situations. It allows him the ability to evade defenders long enough to get a throw off.

I really have not seen anything to complain about from purdy. Given the cards he has and plays he's forced to run he has far and away crushed it.

I honestly think most of our offensive problems (of which there are few now) are due to predictable play calling and mglinctchey, sprinkled in with a few drops.

Rarely have I seen purdy not execute a play.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Love the win but folks are easily forgetting Trey is QB1. There is no controversy. The only controversy are those developed in this forum.

And this notion is based on what, his draft status? Just out of curiosity, in his limited appearances so far as the 49er's QB, in what area of play has Lance, inarguably and unequivocally, demonstrated that he is capable of playing the position at a higher level than Purdy is at the moment? I'm not talking about potential or upside or what may happen three years from now. I am asking as of right now, December 27th, 2022, what makes Lance the obvious choice to be the starter next year over Purdy?

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Insanity is when you get somebody good, you try to get rid of him as fast as you can.

Both of these guys are on their rookie deals. They'd have to prove they are a turd before you'd want to get rid of one of them. Brock has already proved he's not, and Lance sure hasn't shown he is.

This. Its moronic to sell low on a commodity you don't even have an ability to assess. Trey probably stays for the length of his rookie deal.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am looking at the full body of work, not just Trey's 1.25 starts this season. We started off 3-5 last season and played very well down the stretch and went deep into the playoffs. Sounds like things are repeating themselves once again this season. To say that we wouldn't have turned things around again if it wasn't for CMC is a stretch of the imagination. Now that isn't to take anything away from CMC and the success he's had here. He has been great. But Kyle was also the one who turned Deebo into a star last season. To think that he wouldn't have found another way if we didn't acquire CMC is ignoring the fact that Kyle did the same thing with a different player the year before.

Just a collection of stuff. Our defense is lights out and we're hitting those downfield plays, which in fact opens everything (like we all said it would). I'd say the OL for the most part is doing much better now, then at the beginning of the season. I rewatched that WK1 game and they were pretty freaking bad. No team is the same early in the yr to now…and hell yeah CMC from a pass catching and scheme standpoint has been a big factor.

Agreed. And even with the schemed up shot plays, Brock is still nearly dead last in IAY at 6.5. This is a running and short pass offense with a couple set-up shot passing plays a game. The good news is 1) they've been open and 2) Brock threw to them and 3) the receivers caught them.

Here's the thing about Purdy:

His intended air yards per pass attempt is only 6.5. Jimmy's is 6.9. But Purdy's COMPLETED air yards per pass attempt is 6.1, compared to 4.8 for Jimmy's. Who is the greater deep threat? It's Brock and it's not close. So there is a difference, and the difference is that Purdy's deep balls are actually dangerous.

Completed has just as much to do with the receiver and Kyle as it does the QB. That's the thing. Dudes like Aiyuk, Kroft and Ray-Ray were dropping deep balls left and right despite taking more deeper shots.

Now, two dudes are wide open, they're fighting over the ball with nobody around and they are making those catches uncontested. And a good chunk is because of the added focus on CMC now and 3rd stringers in the secondary. You gotta look at the full picture and context here.

Not to mention 1 catch greatly improves that overall % because of the low volume.