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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
It *does* matter because how you front load the contracts and who you keep will enable the 49ers to extend the Superbowl window *PAST* Purdy's rookie contract year. There *IS* a reason why Paraag and Lynch project the cap out THREE years.
I have no idea how this is relevant to the conversation.
Originally posted by Giedi:
No problem, Average to me is basically a guy like Jeff Garcia. Good QB, but couldn't even get to the big dance. Jimmy is definitely a guy that got the 49ers to the big dance, and to me that's not *average* because how many QB's have actually QB'd a team in a super bowl, not many.
It's all good. I'm on the Jimmy thread in the NFL section and trying my best to get it to 10K
Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, thought so.
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by tankle104:
"Best QB in #NFL" Patrick Mahomes has an impressive 4,183 yards & 27 Pass TDs on the year.
— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) January 1, 2024
Brock Purdy has a remarkable 4,280 yards & 31 Pass TDs in his first yr as starter
WAIT.. Wait…That's not the impressive part
2023 Pass Attempts:
Mahomes 597 😳
Purdy 444 👀🤯
Just WOW! pic.twitter.com/iYfcSnXWHX
You obviously can't compare their situations apples to apples, but it's still interesting. I didn't think I'd see Brock have better stats than mahommes. Lol pretty damn cool, IMO.
I tend to forget he's only 1 1/2 years in. Wild
I couldn't believe the reads and throws he was making last season as a rookie. It was veteran-like from the beginning how he stayed calm to read the field, especially zone and how he used his eyes to move defenders. By the third game, I was convinced it wasn't a fluke because it was consistent and not considered 'flashing'. He can still get better. As DCs show him more things, he'll learn.
It doesn't surprise me at all to see those stats and stats that surpass Mahomes. Mahomes is a pretty darn good qb but honestly, he got pretty damn lucky with those Superbowls. The one where we played..KC wasn't the better team..they didn't shine..just the 7 mins of hell happened lol. And I have been saying it since the NFC Champ Game, we would have won against the Eagles..no question..had it not been for the injury.
I also have had no doubt that we would have our 6th ring had we faced KC. Our D would have had an injured Mahomes for lunch. And I believe BP was the better qb at the time. Yes, over Mahomes. KC won because they didn't face the true SB contenders. That's why the injury hit hard..sure, injuries happen..but I knew we had such a strong chance to get the ring, not only that but witnessing the best story to happen in NFL history. Luckily, the story did not end at that game.
I knew BP wasn't a fluke after the second start with SEA (and I sound like a broken record but damn lol). The consistency yes, along with, there were times when he was on the field, that I could not tell the difference if it was Steve Young or Purdy out there. That stunned me and simultaneously, I guess I experienced the epiphany that was Brock Purdy lol. I had to blink my eyes a few times because I just could not believe it. And..he made it look easy ..and with a broken rib.
I was happy to have Garcia and Alex..they were very good but Montana was magic, Steve also was amazing and ya start to think you won't see that kind of thing again..then..it happens. What's so awesome about it..ya weren't really expecting it..3rd stringer filling in..then BOOM. He not only took over for Jimmy..he made me forget all about Jimmy very quickly haha.
And yes, his calmness..Joe Cool like. When Joe was playing..it always exciting.."What great thing is he gunna do next?" And your eyes are locked on the TV screen..cause when Joe stepped on the field..that's what would happen. Same with Brock Purdy, "What great thing is he gunna do next?" And ya have that confidence that he will do just that, great, great things. And he does.
It took Kyle three games for him to decide Purdy was the franchise QB. It took me about a couple more after that, but yeah - this guy is a generational talent. 
It didn't take long for Shanahan to get a handle on what he had.
"I just remember the first day I got out and saw him in rookie camp, to walk up and see him for the first time in person, yeah, his height, that was accurate. But to see his legs, to see his quads, he was built differently," Shanahan says. "He looked like a 215-pound guy. He wasn't a small guy, as much as I'd thought on tape. Then the first day he threw, it was like, All right, that's more than I thought. There's more zip there. That isn't a third-string quarterback. He can play in this league. We'll see how he is, but that's a dude that's much better than I thought."
[...]
"His mind could keep up with Kyle's," Lynch says.
"I was able to take that [work with Hewlett and Gormley], and obviously the brains I've been developing the last couple years in college, and then put it into Shanahan's offense," Purdy says, "and become who I am now."
Really, everyone saw something just a little different than they had evaluating him months earlier. Where Shanahan noticed more raw arm strength and better body composition, Lynch was taken by what Purdy could do in situations where he wasn't leaning on the coach's scheme. "He made a lot of off-schedule plays," he says. "You started to see that this guy is a better athlete than we all gave him credit for."
[...]
"Right away, in that game, they came after him," Shanahan says. "And he made some big-time throws. And then it was as if they backed off, because he showed he was gonna punish them if they kept playing that aggressive. Right away, it was like, Damn, this guy is pretty damn good."
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/08/14/49ers-brock-purdy-believe-super-bowl-contender?
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, thought so.
I'm legitimately asking you. Apologize if it's coming off snarky… not my intent.
I don't see how it's relevant at all. The discussion is about whether it's a good or bad thing to have another year to evaluate Purdy… and again it's really purely philosophical as we have no choice but to wait until the end of next year to extend him.
Whether you've seen enough, or Random hasn't, this doesn't happen until after next year.
There are also bonuses that typically do not prorate and instead hit the salary cap all in one season. These are lump-sum roster bonuses. The most famous recent lump-sum roster bonus was in Jimmy Garoppolo's deal signed in 2018.
San Francisco had a lot of cap space and a roster that wasn't quite ready to compete, so unlike the traditional "backloading" of an NFL contract, they front-loaded Garoppolo's deal with a huge lumpsum roster bonus in 2018 (deal pictured below, roster bonus bolded/italicized):
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-salary-cap-terms-tricks-to-know-ahead-of-nfl-free-agency-2021
Originally posted by Giedi:
Here, do your homework.
There are also bonuses that typically do not prorate and instead hit the salary cap all in one season. These are lump-sum roster bonuses. The most famous recent lump-sum roster bonus was in Jimmy Garoppolo's deal signed in 2018.
San Francisco had a lot of cap space and a roster that wasn't quite ready to compete, so unlike the traditional "backloading" of an NFL contract, they front-loaded Garoppolo's deal with a huge lumpsum roster bonus in 2018 (deal pictured below, roster bonus bolded/italicized):
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-salary-cap-terms-tricks-to-know-ahead-of-nfl-free-agency-2021
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by Giedi:
No problem, Average to me is basically a guy like Jeff Garcia. Good QB, but couldn't even get to the big dance. Jimmy is definitely a guy that got the 49ers to the big dance, and to me that's not *average* because how many QB's have actually QB'd a team in a super bowl, not many.
It's all good. I'm on the Jimmy thread in the NFL section and trying my best to get it to 10K
Garcia is average? Disagree. Did he have the magic of Joe and Young? Nope not even but I wouldn't say he was average. And the big dance isn't the only thing that makes a good qb..obvious example, Marino. I also don't agree Deebo is Rice 2.0, great player but no where near Rice
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:No, it's better to start paying the *other* players *now* to free up the cap space for Purdy's blockbuster contract . Aiyuk, Gregory, Chase, etc... are all going to be free agents this offseason, and the 49ers have to decide *years in advance* how to absorb Purdy's future contract and plan for it *now.* That only happens if you think Purdy is worth it *now.* Extending the other players - Trent, Kittle, Bosa etc... is going to put a lot of dead money in the future if it's not handled right when Purdy's contract is up in 2025.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Here, do your homework.
There are also bonuses that typically do not prorate and instead hit the salary cap all in one season. These are lump-sum roster bonuses. The most famous recent lump-sum roster bonus was in Jimmy Garoppolo's deal signed in 2018.
San Francisco had a lot of cap space and a roster that wasn't quite ready to compete, so unlike the traditional "backloading" of an NFL contract, they front-loaded Garoppolo's deal with a huge lumpsum roster bonus in 2018 (deal pictured below, roster bonus bolded/italicized):
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-salary-cap-terms-tricks-to-know-ahead-of-nfl-free-agency-2021
I'm asking you how this is relevant to the discussion I just described. Is your contention that it'd be better to start paying Purdy's contract now because of the freedom we have to structure it around currently available cap space?
If so, how would this be better for the team than paying him 900 k next year? The cap space doesn't disappear. Wouldn't this apply to any successful young player on their rookie deal prior to their window to negotiate an extension? There's a reason we're in an envious position to have a very good player on a dirt cheap deal… and beyond that if you understand that the team plans three years in advance, that would include big money contract for QB two years from now instead of one.
Originally posted by Giedi:
No, it's better to start paying the *other* players *now* to free up the cap space for Purdy's blockbuster contract . Aiyuk, Gregory, Chase, etc... are all going to be free agents this offseason, and the 49ers have to decide *years in advance* how to absorb Purdy's future contract and plan for it *now.* That only happens if you think Purdy is worth it *now.* Extending the other players - Trent, Kittle, Bosa etc... is going to put a lot of dead money in the future if it's not handled right when Purdy's contract is up in 2025.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
No, it's better to start paying the *other* players *now* to free up the cap space for Purdy's blockbuster contract . Aiyuk, Gregory, Chase, etc... are all going to be free agents this offseason, and the 49ers have to decide *years in advance* how to absorb Purdy's future contract and plan for it *now.* That only happens if you think Purdy is worth it *now.* Extending the other players - Trent, Kittle, Bosa etc... is going to put a lot of dead money in the future if it's not handled right when Purdy's contract is up in 2025.
Ok, but if he regresses and/or suffers a serious injury next year, you have flexibility with the money you planned to budget for his top of the market deal correct? Maybe you sign him for less. Maybe you decide to move on.
Originally posted by Giedi:
No. You use the excess cap capacity to *sign* your current stars and keep them on the team now while Purdy is on his rookie contract. But, when Purdy's rookie contract is over, you time it just *right* so that the cap space is magically freed up just at the right moment to be able to pay him the biggest QB contract in NFL history.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Giedi:
No. You use the excess cap capacity to *sign* your current stars and keep them on the team now while Purdy is on his rookie contract. But, when Purdy's rookie contract is over, you time it just *right* so that the cap space is magically freed up just at the right moment to be able to pay him the biggest QB contract in NFL history.
Ok, lol. We'll try this one more time.
You decide Purdy is worth signing long term now, or more appropriately going into this next offseason. You use your excess cap space to sign your other stars in preparation to time Purdy's contract extension at the *right* time. Then the following season happens and Purdy shreds his knee in the NFC Divisional Playoffs. Is it a good thing that you have flexibility with the money you budgeted to sign Purdy the previous offseason? Would it be a bad thing if you had paid him the prior offseason and he shreds his knee on that enormous contract?
you just don't get me do you. Oh well. To each his own. See ya.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I get you just fine.
49ers have to decide if Purdy is worth it now so they can structure other player's contracts in preparation for a big Purdy deal in the future. Easy to understand. Irrelevant to the point.
Because whether you set that plan in motion or not Purdy's going to continue to be evaluated in the meantime and if something happens in that time (injuries or poor play) you can pivot away from giving Purdy that monster deal when you planned to. That's flexibility. The question is whether having that time and flexibility is a good or bad thing.
Cheers.
