QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I wasn't asking so much about whether the Niners will sign him They prbably will but it depends a lot on how much he wants and how many players they need to re

place.

I'm wondering more about how many teams will try and copy the Niners if they win this year and maybe again next year. it's a copy cat league and high priced QBs may be pricing themselves out of jobs. I bring up my idea of exempting QBs from the salary cap.

Oh, we'll sign him, and it won't depend on how much he wants or how many players they need to sign. Many teams invest way too much in their quarterback, because "you gotta have a quarterback to win the SB". We did that, twice. Once making Jimmy the highest paid player in the league on a long term contract, when he clearly had holes in his game with anticipation and deep balls, making him defensible. And again with Trey, investing way too much draft capital reaching for a low percentage prospect.

Not many coachs can fully benefit by having a quarterback that can keep up with them mentally, perhaps at the expense of "traits", if that coach is himself not an innovator. Best stick with Kap if you're Harbaugh.

Here's what you've got to do. Hire a smart innovative offensive HC. Find a smart quarterback that can demonstrate that ability against NFL defenses, with enough physicallity to do it all. Defenses can stop Anything, but they can't stop Everything, so you must be able to do it all. These guys might be Mr. irrelevant or even on somebody's practice squad that just never get a chance because he's not 6'4" like the guy in front of him. Pay him the going rate and lock him down when you must. Now for roster talent, you do need some stars. After that, you need good depth. You can't pay everybody star money, so you must turn some of those guys into rookie draft picks, and have a great GM with the organization to hit on many later round picks. If your offense is different from what everybody else is doing, e.g., needing smart mobile OL men, or RB's with vision to anticipate cut back lanes before they are there, you might look awfully good without your top picks. Use your high picks on the big fast athletic guys on the DL that are rare in the population. There are millions of us little guys, so the pool for DB's is huge, and even to some extent WR's.

Here's the bottom line. If you want a top quarterback and other stars, you need a higher percent of your team on rookie deals. Keep shuffling those coordinators and over priced players off and keep those draft picks rolling in. If you're a winning organization, everybody will be lining up to be your coordinator, back up quarterback, and everything else. The ultimate bottom line is be smarter than the other guys.

Just draft a guy like Purdy in the later rounds. Simple.

Originally posted by Chance:
Just draft a guy like Purdy in the later rounds. Simple.

Lol. Truth.

It's insanely hard to find a good one anywhere really. That's why you hang on for deal life when it happens.

-if ravens win then lamar is the mvp

-if niners win cmc should be the mvp because it shouldn't automatically go to the qb

people just dont want purdy to win it, hilarious

Kinda like that throw against Dallas in the playoff last year. Same one hander by Kittle

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Purdy will be a 49er for life.

It's looking that way.

Originally posted by Chance:
Just draft a guy like Purdy in the later rounds. Simple.

I'd actually put money on us drafting a QB next year. If the guy even HINTS at being halfway decent, it helps with Purdy's contract negotiations.

Originally posted by random49er:
I'd actually put money on us drafting a QB next year.

I think that's a pretty safe bet. That's going to be targeting a back up though.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I wasn't asking so much about whether the Niners will sign him They prbably will but it depends a lot on how much he wants and how many players they need to replace.

I'm wondering more about how many teams will try and copy the Niners if they win this year and maybe again next year. it's a copy cat league and high priced QBs may be pricing themselves out of jobs. I bring up my idea of exempting QBs from the salary cap.

Oh, gotcha.
All teams are aware of the benefits of having a QB on a rookie (or cheap) contract, so that they can afford a well-balanced, championship-level roster. The Russell Wilson Seahawks was the example I had, and you explained the issues plaguing the Chiefs right now. The 49ers were talking about it quite a bit when we drafted Trey Lance. We don't see this discussion come into play too much though, because a lot of teams just can't build a good roster and/or find a good QB.

But I think where it becomes an interesting discussion, when teams have to re-sign guys:
--- If you're a team like the Chiefs, you just... HAVE to extend Patrick Mahomes to a colossal megadeal. He's put up prolific numbers, and I believe, at the time of his contract extension, he just beat us to win the Super Bowl. That's a guy you HAVE to pay, and you figure out the details later. There's a hope that maybe he'll take a discount, like Tom Brady, so that you can squeeze in one or two more quality players onto your roster.

--- But when it comes to extending guys like... Daniel Jones. Or Dak Prescott... or Jimmy Garoppolo. Those aren't guys that I think are worth paying $30, $40million a year. In the case of the Giants last year, yes, Daniel Jones had a good year, but I don't think he was worthy of that contract, and we're seeing what we're seeing this year when the Giants fell back to earth.

Same thing with the Cowboys. Yes, Dak's having a great year this year and looks great every year in the regular season, but I fully expect the Cowboys to get bounced in the Divisional Round, because they paid Dak to be a superstar QB, but he can't be a superstar QB in the playoffs.

CatchMaster, I think I know what you are asking. Pay a QB huge money, or field an all star roster while finding a functional 'plug and play' QB that doesn't have to be paid huge bucks, allowing for the all star roster to stay intact. All 32 teams are trying to find elite talent at all positions. So in that sense they are all trying to copy the 49ers, and each other. Even the teams that paid their QB big money are trying to find elite talent at all positions - it's a never ending quest.

I could argue that it's easier to find a star QB because a team only has to hit one position. Think about how hard it is to get All Pro talent at all the positions that the 49ers have, and to have them all similar in age so they can play together. So to answer your question, all teams are following the same formula, acquire elite talent at all possible positions. The only question they have to ask themselves is whether the QB they have is deserving of a huge deal. Because if they get the answer wrong, then they are stuck with a high priced QB that isn't worth the cap hit, and it handcuffs their ability to extend players.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
I'd actually put money on us drafting a QB next year.

I think that's a pretty safe bet. That's going to be targeting a back up though.

At least for a third string developmental guy that is easy on the cap. As of now, we have 1 QB under contract next year. I think we may resign a guy (maybe even darnold if he's enjoying his time here) and then have our third stringer be a development guy on the cheap contract.

Originally posted by thl408:
CatchMaster, I think I know what you are asking. Pay a QB huge money, or field an all star roster while finding a functional 'plug and play' QB that doesn't have to be paid huge bucks, allowing for the all star roster to stay intact. All 32 teams are trying to find elite talent at all positions. So in that sense they are all trying to copy the 49ers, and each other. Even the teams that paid their QB big money are trying to find elite talent at all positions - it's a never ending quest.

I could argue that it's easier to find a star QB because a team only has to hit one position. Think about how hard it is to get All Pro talent at all the positions that the 49ers have, and to have them all similar in age so they can play together. So to answer your question, all teams are following the same formula, acquire elite talent at all possible positions. The only question they have to ask themselves is whether the QB they have is deserving of a huge deal. Because if they get the answer wrong, then they are stuck with a high priced QB that isn't worth the cap hit, and it handcuffs their ability to extend players.

I think the key is to not always look for a player that can be an all star in any system, but an all star in your teams system. I think we do a great job drafting guys In the mid to late rounds that really fit what we desire and ask of them.

then we coach em up and get them playing at a high level. Once you have a handful of guys playing at a high level in your system, it helps elevate the guys around them and make them more effective in your system.

but yes, it's extremely hard to find anyone at any position that will be even a pro bowler, let alone an all pro.

what we've done is outstanding and insanely impressive. Not all our guys would be top tier players in every system, but they fit our system perfectly. They also are high character guys who love football and are selfless - very rare. Just look at a guy like AJ Brown or DK, they're pissed if they aren't getting the ball.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

49ers Brock Purdy proves consistently that he can make plays outside of structure

Cardinals show zero blitz and then drop 9 in coverage!

Brock's pocket presence and patience allows for a on-the-fly adjustment by Kittle and Brock puts it only where Kittle can snag it pic.twitter.com/FRSYJfmMD7

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) December 19, 2023

Kinda like that throw against Dallas in the playoff last year. Same one hander by Kittle

He put it where only Kittle could get it. Perfect throw.

Originally posted by tankle104:
At least for a third string developmental guy that is easy on the cap. As of now, we have 1 QB under contract next year. I think we may resign a guy (maybe even darnold if he's enjoying his time here) and then have our third stringer be a development guy on the cheap contract.

I think a lot of the fans expectations got clouded as far as depth at the position based on what we did last offseason. We signed a fairly expensive backup (and offered incentives) because of Purdy's injury and the fact that Trey was unplayable. Provided Brock makes it through the season healthy, I think we invest minimally at the backup spots going forward. A dirt cheap vet (hopefully Darnold if his market is dry) and a rookie. The same plan we had at the beginning of '22 offseason (Sudfeld/Purdy)

Originally posted by Chance:
Just draft a guy like Purdy in the later rounds. Simple.

Every team should find their franchise QB in the 7th round and if they can't then they just aren't trying hard enough. 🤷

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think the key is to not always look for a player that can be an all star in any system, but an all star in your teams system. I think we do a great job drafting guys In the mid to late rounds that really fit what we desire and ask of them.

then we coach em up and get them playing at a high level. Once you have a handful of guys playing at a high level in your system, it helps elevate the guys around them and make them more effective in your system.

but yes, it's extremely hard to find anyone at any position that will be even a pro bowler, let alone an all pro.

what we've done is outstanding and insanely impressive. Not all our guys would be top tier players in every system, but they fit our system perfectly. They also are high character guys who love football and are selfless - very rare. Just look at a guy like AJ Brown or DK, they're pissed if they aren't getting the ball.

We got insanely lucky on Brock. To try and repeat the strategy at that position would be foolish (for any team).

Want to build up the team before you draft a young QB? No problem.

But those teams are dead in the water if they think they can faithfully rely on a lower round QB to be a SB quality QB.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just want to throw out a question. Most football people think the Niners have the best roster not only for the starters but also in depth. They often point out that they have a starting QB performing at a high level that's not being paid much which allows them to sign or keep players like Bosa, Willams, CMC and Deebo that might be gone if they were paying the QB $35-40 mil per year.

The Niners have Brock for 2 more seasons at a low rate. If he continues to play well I assume they'll try and resign him but what if they elect to go with another young player so they can keep all the talent around him. Other teams will try and copy this if it works out long term. The days of looking for a QB that can lead the team for 15-20 seasons may be over because of the crazy high salaries they are demanding. No QB can win without tlented supporting players both on offense and defense.

Look at Mahomes this year. As good as he is he has no receivers worth a damn. Kelce isn't playing as well and the WRs are dropping as many as they catch. Herbert has no running game and one WR. The results have been so-so. Then you look at Miami that's loaded at every position on offense and Tua is having a good year. Before they got Hill and Achane the only real threat was waddle. Now they look like the Niners with all their weapons.

It's going to be interesting to see how many teams stay with their high paid QBs if they don't win. I know the chances of finding another Purdy so late in the draft are slim but even a first round QB is going to be cheap compared to a guy like Rodgers or Stafford. The Chiefs have 29% of their payroll tied up with Mahomes ($37 mil and Chris Jones at $27 mil). It's hard to build or sustain a team when that much is tied up in your QB and a DT.

You mean, hypothetically, move on from Purdy at the end of his deal and just find another QB, just so we can keep all our stars?
I see the reasoning. The Seahawks were always contenders during the Russell Wilson years, but just didn't have as complete a roster when he signed his mega deal.

But the thing is... eventually we'll need to move on from CMC, Deebo, Kittle, etc., depending on how well they age and what their contract demands are. When it comes to Purdy's re-signing, we're going to look at a player we want to have in the building for the next couple years, and then the older stars will eventually leave the team. No guarantee that we can retain/replace weapons on offense either, but we'll still have Purdy.

And simply put... it's hard enough to find a QB. This organization invested 3 first rounders to try and find a franchise QB, and were fortunate we found one with the last pick in the draft the following year. Maybe we can find a young QB at a bargain, but we're seeing that there's a difference between a mid-tier QB and a SPECIAL QB like Brock Purdy.

I wasn't asking so much about whether the Niners will sign him They prbably will but it depends a lot on how much he wants and how many players they need to replace.

I'm wondering more about how many teams will try and copy the Niners if they win this year and maybe again next year. it's a copy cat league and high priced QBs may be pricing themselves out of jobs. I bring up my idea of exempting QBs from the salary cap.

At one time, the NFL had half of the Head Coaches being former Assistants of Walsh or the Assistant of the assistant of Walsh etc... and they still couldn't beat the 49ers because they didn't have Montana, Rice and Craig. You can copy scheme, but not necessarily the players.

MOst likely Purdy will get market value for his contract when his rookie contract ends, and we'll lose our superstars like Kittle, Deebo, and Aiyuk. Key is for ShanaLynch to keep reloading and drafting well so we can get the Kittle 2.0's, Bosa 2.0's and Aiyuk 2.0's. At one time Bill Belichick was a great drafter and had some great talent, but he never continued drafting and developing well and here he is now - in danger of being fired. After Tom Brady? Andy Ried, had McNabb, Alex Smith, and now Mahomes and he's still going strong and the Chief's aren't even thinking of getting rid of Andy.