QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No QB needs to play hero ball down 1 score with almost a quarter left to play. He made a claim in the Darnold thread that his picks were because he was down late in games a lot (Darnold has thrown 4% more of his total picks in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady's percentage). Now he is doubling down on this and calling it "his philosophy."

QBs who are down multiple scores late in games tend to have to play hero ball. That doesnt apply when you are down 1 score with a quarter left to go.

100%. You can also evaluate players independently of what's going on. Why would a qb get a pass every time the run game isn't humming? But when you've given qbs passes for 5 years no matter how they played it becomes ingrained.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No QB needs to play hero ball down 1 score with almost a quarter left to play. He made a claim in the Darnold thread that his picks were because he was down late in games a lot (Darnold has thrown 4% more of his total picks in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady's percentage). Now he is doubling down on this and calling it "his philosophy."

QBs who are down multiple scores late in games tend to have to play hero ball. That doesnt apply when you are down 1 score with a quarter left to go.

that's directly from Kyle Shanahan

this is a Kyle quote: "some situations where you're going to keep both teams in the game because you got to keep slinging that ball and give your team a chance to win."

that's exactly what we've seen the last two weeks, you should listen to coach more, he knows ball

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Once the handoff was missed, the lineman moved downfield though. So it wasnt because he waited too long. They were downfield long before the time he threw it, and long before he should have thrown it.

I'll take your word. If that's true then he just needs to live another day and throw it at someone's feet. How that bad decision can be excused by not running the ball is baffling.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that's directly from Kyle Shanahan

this is a Kyle quote: "some situations where you're going to keep both teams in the game because you got to keep slinging that ball and give your team a chance to win."

that's exactly what we've seen the last two weeks, you should listen to coach more, he knows ball

So if they run for 120 yards against Philly but are still down 7 does Brock still get a pass for an awful decision?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What on earth are you and 4eva talking about?

Im talking about the pick and the o lineman being downfield. He got there because Brock waited too long. No idea what he's talking about.

It wasn't drawn up to be a pass play. It was a running play, hence the OL fired downfield on the snap. Kyle said the timing between Purdy and Mitchell was off so BP tried to improvise instead of taking the sack. Even if Purdy had thrown it earlier, it would have been called back.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice the TOs are coming late,
cause and effect, we aren't running well, we are getting into late game trailing situations, and there are your turnovers,

Because of bad decision making. Mitchell was still open for a TD even though they were trailing. QB has to execute and make better decisions.

This. gotta be able to pull it out and win all styles of games. the opportunities were there and he just dropped the ball. hopefully next time he doesn't

That play wasn't going to work even if he had completed the pass to Mitchell. It was supposed to be a running play and we had a lineman downfield which would have nullified the TD.

exactly, now was it a bad decision, you bet
my philosophy is when the QB feels the weight of having to carry the game, be the hero, that's when you see mistakes
seen it in back to back weeks now
BP is a game manager, I don't mean that in a bad way, heck TB12 managed a lot of games, he took what was there for the taking relentlessly, if that meant check it down to the back all drive, he would do it

I question if we want to drop back BP every play like KC does Mahomes or BUF does Allen, just not our style and how we do it here in SF, need that run game
course when you are down late, you have few options

"My philosophy"

You are too much.

yet another post not about anything football related, just a criticism, let's see you share some football opinions, and we can tell you where you are wrong
let's reverse roles here

You keep quoting Kyle talking about being down leads to turnovers (and now represent that as YOUR philosophy lol). What you fail to understand is I PROMISE you that Kyle is not talking about being down 1 score. Especially not when there is plenty of time left on the clock. You are misrepresenting what Kyle was talking about.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that's directly from Kyle Shanahan

this is a Kyle quote: "some situations where you're going to keep both teams in the game because you got to keep slinging that ball and give your team a chance to win."

that's exactly what we've seen the last two weeks, you should listen to coach more, he knows ball

So if they run for 120 yards against Philly but are still down 7 does Brock still get a pass for an awful decision?

I would look at it less as a hard and fast rule and more as a generalization. I'm not giving BP any passes either.

Just in general, when you are down late and forced to throw, mistakes happen. I think probably this is amplified in SF, where KS is one of the more run heavy playcallers in the game. It's about 515 annual pass attempts, comp that to Brady putting up over 700 as a geriatric, as a high end of that spectrum.

Final 2 drives vs MIN, 2 TOs
in the CIN game, it went INT (end of 3rd while trailing), then TD, then fumble (fumble was preceded by INT wiped out by a roughing)

KS needs the run, or the threat of run, when we become one dimensional, we get exposed

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No QB needs to play hero ball down 1 score with almost a quarter left to play. He made a claim in the Darnold thread that his picks were because he was down late in games a lot (Darnold has thrown 4% more of his total picks in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady's percentage). Now he is doubling down on this and calling it "his philosophy."

QBs who are down multiple scores late in games tend to have to play hero ball. That doesnt apply when you are down 1 score with a quarter left to go.

that's directly from Kyle Shanahan

this is a Kyle quote: "some situations where you're going to keep both teams in the game because you got to keep slinging that ball and give your team a chance to win."

that's exactly what we've seen the last two weeks, you should listen to coach more, he knows ball

See this is exactly what I am talking about. Kyle isnt talking about being down 1 score as the time that you need to "keep slinging the ball and give your team a chance to win." Thats absolutely not what happened in either of the last two weeks.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No QB needs to play hero ball down 1 score with almost a quarter left to play. He made a claim in the Darnold thread that his picks were because he was down late in games a lot (Darnold has thrown 4% more of his total picks in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady's percentage). Now he is doubling down on this and calling it "his philosophy."

QBs who are down multiple scores late in games tend to have to play hero ball. That doesnt apply when you are down 1 score with a quarter left to go.

that's directly from Kyle Shanahan

this is a Kyle quote: "some situations where you're going to keep both teams in the game because you got to keep slinging that ball and give your team a chance to win."

that's exactly what we've seen the last two weeks, you should listen to coach more, he knows ball

See this is exactly what I am talking about. Kyle isnt talking about being down 1 score as the time that you need to "keep slinging the ball and give your team a chance to win." Thats absolutely not what happened in either of the last two weeks.

what did you see vs MIN, i saw us had to keep slinging, right to Cam Bynum, that's not what KS wants to do, but the situation gave us no, or little, choice, the score forced the play calls, and the aggression.

if that game is tied, no way are we chucking into double coverage to end it, we had to throw at the end, when down

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
No QB needs to play hero ball down 1 score with almost a quarter left to play. He made a claim in the Darnold thread that his picks were because he was down late in games a lot (Darnold has thrown 4% more of his total picks in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady's percentage). Now he is doubling down on this and calling it "his philosophy."

QBs who are down multiple scores late in games tend to have to play hero ball. That doesnt apply when you are down 1 score with a quarter left to go.

that's directly from Kyle Shanahan

this is a Kyle quote: "some situations where you're going to keep both teams in the game because you got to keep slinging that ball and give your team a chance to win."

that's exactly what we've seen the last two weeks, you should listen to coach more, he knows ball

See this is exactly what I am talking about. Kyle isnt talking about being down 1 score as the time that you need to "keep slinging the ball and give your team a chance to win." Thats absolutely not what happened in either of the last two weeks.

what did you see vs MIN, i saw us had to keep slinging, right to Cam Bynum, that's not what KS wants to do, but the situation gave us no, or little, choice, the score forced the play calls, and the aggression.

if that game is tied, no way are we chucking into double coverage to end it, we had to throw at the end, when down

The last offensive play of the game, sure. We had to sling it because there was less than a minute left. The other 3 picks you are talking about dont qualify at all to what you are speaking of. As usual, you are misrepresenting something you read/heard.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What on earth are you and 4eva talking about?

Im talking about the pick and the o lineman being downfield. He got there because Brock waited too long. No idea what he's talking about.

Once the handoff was missed, the lineman moved downfield though. So it wasnt because he waited too long. They were downfield long before the time he threw it, and long before he should have thrown it.

Brock explained it very well in the post game. So did Kyle. Brock took the blame and said he should have just thrown the ball away because he knew the lineman was downfield and the play would have been called back.

His instincts to complete a pass must have kicked in.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What on earth are you and 4eva talking about?

Im talking about the pick and the o lineman being downfield. He got there because Brock waited too long. No idea what he's talking about.

It wasn't drawn up to be a pass play. It was a running play, hence the OL fired downfield on the snap. Kyle said the timing between Purdy and Mitchell was off so BP tried to improvise instead of taking the sack. Even if Purdy had thrown it earlier, it would have been called back.

Thank god for Mitchell's two blocks a game though...

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
What on earth are you and 4eva talking about?

Im talking about the pick and the o lineman being downfield. He got there because Brock waited too long. No idea what he's talking about.

It wasn't drawn up to be a pass play. It was a running play, hence the OL fired downfield on the snap. Kyle said the timing between Purdy and Mitchell was off so BP tried to improvise instead of taking the sack. Even if Purdy had thrown it earlier, it would have been called back.

Thank god for Mitchell's two blocks a game though...

Yep, he did lay it to the DE on CMC's score.

Purdy going threw what every quarterback will go through at some point in their career. I want to see how he comes out of this because it can make or break him.

Purdy is hot garbage in the 4th qtr when losing.

Change my mind.