QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Elway's career passer rating was 79.9. There are 93 QB's who are ranked ahead of him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

There were time periods in his career where he was throwing a lot of deep bombs. Not short dump offs. So I would expect that. Also not always the best overall team supporting him. So a lot of come from behind chuck it up there to come back. Which he did a lot.

Anyway back to Purdy who the thread is actually about.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Elway's career passer rating was 79.9. There are 93 QB's who are ranked ahead of him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Shocked how meh Elway was stat wise never looked into it but yeah his stat sheet is nothing special. Terry Bradshaw is the worst though, maybe it was a different time but he threw as many interceptions as touchdowns with a 52% completion rate

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Elway's career passer rating was 79.9. There are 93 QB's who are ranked ahead of him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

There were time periods in his career where he was throwing a lot of deep bombs. Not short dump offs. So I would expect that. Also not always the best overall team supporting him. So a lot of come from behind chuck it up there to come back. Which he did a lot.

Anyway back to Purdy who the thread is actually about.

Elway's career yards per attempt is 7.1 which is tied for 80th all time.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Elway's career passer rating was 79.9. There are 93 QB's who are ranked ahead of him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Shocked how meh Elway was stat wise never looked into it but yeah his stat sheet is nothing special. Terry Bradshaw is the worst though, maybe it was a different time but he threw as many interceptions as touchdowns with a 52% completion rate

Bradshaw and Joe Namath are another two very overrated QB's. Yes times were different but there were QB's in that era who were much better statistically. But they won Super Bowls and made special plays that get played over and over, so people just assume they were great. They were not. Elway's story is exactly the same, except on steroids because he was so highly touted coming out of college.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Elway's career passer rating was 79.9. There are 93 QB's who are ranked ahead of him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Shocked how meh Elway was stat wise never looked into it but yeah his stat sheet is nothing special. Terry Bradshaw is the worst though, maybe it was a different time but he threw as many interceptions as touchdowns with a 52% completion rate

Dude completely different eras. You used to be able to mug the WR's. You could grab them, turn them, hold them, check them hard at the line. You could go head first crown of the helmet right into the facemask of the WR coming across the middle. To knock him out. You could even close line.

You aren't comparing apples to apples. Every rule change over the last 25, 30, 40 years is to favor the offense and QB and WR's. It's a completely different game now. You can't play defense anymore. It's illegal to play defense now. Be more realistic about what you are comparing.

Originally posted by Since07:
Shocked how meh Elway was stat wise never looked into it but yeah his stat sheet is nothing special. Terry Bradshaw is the worst though, maybe it was a different time but he threw as many interceptions as touchdowns with a 52% completion rate

Yea and these stats are a product of team situation, scheme, the individual QB, and teammates etc.

You won't find many people who really analyze QB's make the case that John Elway was a greatly overrated player. Outside of the top 5 or 10 all time? Maybe… def not far, at worst.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Dude completely different eras. You used to be able to mug the WR's. You could grab them, turn them, hold them, check them hard at the line. You could go head first crown of the helmet right into the facemask of the WR coming across the middle. To knock him out. You could even close line.

You aren't comparing apples to apples. Every rule change over the last 25, 30, 40 years is to favor the offense and QB and WR's. It's a completely different game now. You can't play defense anymore. It's illegal to play defense now. Be more realistic about what you are comparing.

Elway's team/qb stats aren't super favorable compared to some QB's in his era either, but like I mentioned above much of that is outside of the QB's control.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Dude completely different eras. You used to be able to mug the WR's. You could grab them, turn them, hold them, check them hard at the line. You could go head first crown of the helmet right into the facemask of the WR coming across the middle. To knock him out. You could even close line.

You aren't comparing apples to apples. Every rule change over the last 25, 30, 40 years is to favor the offense and QB and WR's. It's a completely different game now. You can't play defense anymore. It's illegal to play defense now. Be more realistic about what you are comparing.

Elway's team/qb stats aren't super favorable compared to some QB's in his era either, but like I mentioned above much of that is outside of the QB's control.

He did a lot of throw deep bombs. Which he was great at. Also come from behind because his overall team wasn't great. He was carrying them. Until later in his career when he had an actually great team. It wasn't short dump offs for great stats though. You have to look at the situation.

BROCK PURDY THREAD - back to that.

Elway is an all time great QB. The guy carried his offense for a big chunk of time when his lead back was Sammy Winder and average and worse receivers like Mark Jackson and Ricky Nattiel. The offensive system was fairly garbage....a lot of times it basically came down to Elway pulling out wins. I never liked him for the way he 'forced' himself to Denver, but his talent is undeniable.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Dude completely different eras. You used to be able to mug the WR's. You could grab them, turn them, hold them, check them hard at the line. You could go head first crown of the helmet right into the facemask of the WR coming across the middle. To knock him out. You could even close line.

You aren't comparing apples to apples. Every rule change over the last 25, 30, 40 years is to favor the offense and QB and WR's. It's a completely different game now. You can't play defense anymore. It's illegal to play defense now. Be more realistic about what you are comparing.

Isn't that what I said? "It was a different time" verbatim. I don't see Bradshaw as bad as the stats say but he's not as great as people make him. Even during that time you had qbs putting up good #s don't think Bradshaw had a single season that stood out as great

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Elway is an all time great QB. The guy carried his offense for a big chunk of time when his lead back was Sammy Winder and average and worse receivers like Mark Jackson and Ricky Nattiel. The offensive system was fairly garbage....a lot of times it basically came down to Elway pulling out wins. I never liked him for the way he 'forced' himself to Denver, but his talent is undeniable.

Yeah that's right. He didn't have that much there as for talent or system. It was HIM carrying the team.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Dude completely different eras. You used to be able to mug the WR's. You could grab them, turn them, hold them, check them hard at the line. You could go head first crown of the helmet right into the facemask of the WR coming across the middle. To knock him out. You could even close line.

You aren't comparing apples to apples. Every rule change over the last 25, 30, 40 years is to favor the offense and QB and WR's. It's a completely different game now. You can't play defense anymore. It's illegal to play defense now. Be more realistic about what you are comparing.

Isn't that what I said? "It was a different time" verbatim. I don't Bradshaw us as bad as the stats say but he's not as great as people make him. Even during that time you had qbs putting up good #s don't think Bradshaw had a single season that stood out as great

That's fine. Just saying you really can't compare different eras well at all. I agree with that. All you can look at is 4 Super Bowl wins. But he had a hell of a defense, great coaching and a great RB too. Also great WR's. So he really had a lot there.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Since07:
Shocked how meh Elway was stat wise never looked into it but yeah his stat sheet is nothing special. Terry Bradshaw is the worst though, maybe it was a different time but he threw as many interceptions as touchdowns with a 52% completion rate

Yea and these stats are a product of team situation, scheme, the individual QB, and teammates etc.

You won't find many people who really analyze QB's make the case that John Elway was a greatly overrated player. Outside of the top 5 or 10 all time? Maybe… def not far, at worst.

I would argue that anyone who truly analyzes QBs will understand he is an extremely overrated player. But his legacy has this hype built around it that people DONT want to actually analyze. He should be so far away from the top 5 or 10, but people just dont want to have that conversation because they arent willing to truly dig into his career.

His MVP was such a joke.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Elway's career passer rating was 79.9. There are 93 QB's who are ranked ahead of him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Shocked how meh Elway was stat wise never looked into it but yeah his stat sheet is nothing special. Terry Bradshaw is the worst though, maybe it was a different time but he threw as many interceptions as touchdowns with a 52% completion rate

Dude completely different eras. You used to be able to mug the WR's. You could grab them, turn them, hold them, check them hard at the line. You could go head first crown of the helmet right into the facemask of the WR coming across the middle. To knock him out. You could even close line.

You aren't comparing apples to apples. Every rule change over the last 25, 30, 40 years is to favor the offense and QB and WR's. It's a completely different game now. You can't play defense anymore. It's illegal to play defense now. Be more realistic about what you are comparing.

QB's with a better passer rating who played at the same time or earlier than Elway:

Dan Fouts
Steve Beurlein
Fran Tarkenton (lol)
Ken O'Brien
Bart Starr
Jeff Hostetler
Warren Moon
Boomer Esiason
Dave Kreig
Randall Cunningham
Troy Aikman
Danny White
Neil O'Donnell
Bernie Kosar
Ken Anderson
Sonny Jurgenson
Len Dawson
Neil Lomax
Roger Staubach
Jim Kelly
Rich Gannon
Dan Marino
Otto Graham
Joe Montana
Steve Young

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Elway is an all time great QB. The guy carried his offense for a big chunk of time when his lead back was Sammy Winder and average and worse receivers like Mark Jackson and Ricky Nattiel. The offensive system was fairly garbage....a lot of times it basically came down to Elway pulling out wins. I never liked him for the way he 'forced' himself to Denver, but his talent is undeniable.

I had to look him up. He started 17 games in his entire career. Not sure why you picked him to make a point. Would be like me saying Jeff Garcia played with players like Arnaz Battle.