QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Nah. He simply wasnt as good as everyone remembers. His legacy is a combination of hype, an undeserved MVP and winning rings on the back of Terrell Davis.

lol

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Montana was old and had a terrible back problem when he went to KC and Young was wild and reckless with no talent around him in TB. Look how long they've been looking for replacement in SF for those 2 guys. Marino wasn't the same after Shula retired because Marino was older and had been beaten up. Elway was a franchise QB because they neve rreplaced him except for trading for Peyton Manning.

Muchof what we niw say about Brock was being said about JG. Big contract afer 5 starts. All he does is win. Many of the traits that Jmmy had we also see in Brock. Brock is more accurate and is willing to throw sideline passes more often but neither is going to have peope shaking their heads after making miraculous throws or breaking loose for big runs. They're both efficient although Brock i more so.

Plenty of "old" QBs have had career years. They weren't that old by QB standards. These are just excuses to explain away the obvious. They were in different systems and weren't so good outside those systems.

Elway's numbers were not good prior to the Broncos switching to the WCO. Simple as that. Brian Griese was doing well before he started boozing. Mike Shanahan turned Jake Plummer's career around.

Young was outperformed by QBs who played with that same Bucs team.

Jeff Garcia broke the franchise record for passing yards the year after Young retired.

"Miraculous throws" and "big runs" don't win championships. QBs aren't NBA shooting guards.They're supposed to be John Stockton types.

Originally posted by YoungQBCompetition:
Plenty of "old" QBs have had career years. They weren't that old by QB standards. These are just excuses to explain away the obvious. They were in different systems and weren't so good outside those systems.

Elway's numbers were not good prior to the Broncos switching to the WCO. Simple as that. Brian Griese was doing well before he started boozing. Mike Shanahan turned Jake Plummer's career around.

Young was outperformed by QBs who played with that same Bucs team.

Jeff Garcia broke the franchise record for passing yards the year after Young retired.

"Miraculous throws" and "big runs" don't win championships. QBs aren't NBA shooting guards.They're supposed to be John Stockton types.

There is a reason why elite shooting guards have a history of winning titles more than elite point guards do.

Probably better to sit Purdy even if he does clear concussion protocol. He needs some time to get right again, and maybe he just needs a small break.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Since07:
Anyone know how strong his arm is? Can he even throw 50 yards? Not hating just curious. What QBs were elite without a strong arm? All I can think of is Montana, Manning, Brees but they all had good but not great throw power Purdy just seems mediocre. He his some deep crossing routes only time I remember him throwing it over the top was to mccaffrey awhile back and that seemed 40 yards?

I'm convinced Purdy is a good qb but not quite convinced he has the potential to be elite there's little evidence that shows a qb can be elite without at least a good arm. I know he's still recovering and getting his strength back but it is concerning, it's the only thing that makes me still question if he's the future

If Purdy can be a franchise QB, I really don't care if you or anyone else considers him elite. I want a perennial starter. I want no QB competitions. I want a guy that you know will be our guy for years. If he's top 3, fantastic. But we don't need elite. We need a franchise QB first, and I believe in Brock to be that guy

I'm all in on Brock but I don't see him as a franchise QB. It's a difference of what I consider a franchise QB or any franchuse player. The term gets tossed around so easy now that people consider anyone that can start a franchise player. I disagree.

To me a franchise QB is one the franchise can't survive without. Someone who can't be replaced. A player that comes along once every 10 or 15 years. I know that's rare territory but that's what I consider the term to mean. Montana was one but theNiners were able to replace him with another. That doesn't happen very often. GB did it with Favre then Rodgers. Brock is the best we have but he can be replaced. Maybe not this season but he's not a generational QB. He's very good and works well in Kyle's system. So would many other QBs if given the chance. Why do you think Kyle wanted Cousins so much. Not for his arm strength of running ability.

If Trevor Lawrence had the same start to his career that Brock has, people would be calling him a franchise QB. Hell people still call Lawrence a franchise QB, even though he's been outperformed by a guy drafted dead last. I just don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss Brock even though he's had arguably the best start to a career in NFL history for a QB. I frankly have no idea whether he will be a franchise QB, but I'm certainly not pessimistic after the incredible play he's put on tape. Some special tape, that if were from a number one pick, there wouldn't be a person questioning whether he's a franchise QB or not.

The biggest indicator for me is how long it takes to replace a QB that lead your team for 6,8 or more seasons. When you're still looking 10 or 15 years later then that was a franchise QB. We've been looking for "that guy' ever since Young left. I don't care about passing yards. Circumstances dictate how much you have to throw. Losing teams often rack up big yards in the air because they're always trying to catch up. A lot of Niner fans were calling JG a franchise QB at first. It took one season and a 7th round pick to replace him.

I disagree with Orlowsky when he says the Niners offense won't miss a beat with Darnold. He may have more arm talent but his knowledge of this offense and field vision aren't as good.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Probably better to sit Purdy even if he does clear concussion protocol. He needs some time to get right again, and maybe he just needs a small break.

Agree. I want 100% BCB:)

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Probably better to sit Purdy even if he does clear concussion protocol. He needs some time to get right again, and maybe he just needs a small break.

I agree. Let him sit this week and then there's the Bye. Give him 3 weeks to get back 100%.
But if he clears the concussion protocol, he will play Sunday.
That's pretty clear for me that Shanahan will play him even without practices.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YoungQBCompetition:
There's no such thing as a franchise QB based on your description, other than maybe Peyton Manning. Any QB who isn't his own system/calling his own plays can be replaced by many different guys, because he'll need to have the system in place in order to succeed.

Montana wasn't even a clear upgrade over Steve DeBerg in Kansas City.

Steve Young was horrible in Tampa Bay and worse than both Steve DeBerg and Vinny Testaverde with the same team.

Brett Favre was going nowhere in Atlanta.

Troy Aikman was a bust before Norv Turner.

Warren Moon was not a factor before the run-and-shoot.

Jim Kelly was nothing before the K-gun offense.

John Elway's numbers were mediocre before Jim Fassel installed the WCO.

Dan Marino wasn't the same after Shula retired.

oh dear, here we go, again
you mentioned Elway, so SWH has been dispatched..

OVERRATED. Universally considered a top 10 QB when he shouldnt be anywhere close to that.

Would've won 10 SBs with Bill Walsh.

Nah. He simply wasnt as good as everyone remembers. His legacy is a combination of hype, an undeserved MVP and winning rings on the back of Terrell Davis.

I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

Elway was very great. He had a rocket arm and very fast legs too. He didn't have a defense or running game most of his career. When he did get a complimentary RB they won the Super Bowl a few times. He mostly was carrying his teams for the majority of his career. Not overrated. Maybe a little underrated even.

Elway's career passer rating was 79.9. There are 93 QB's who are ranked ahead of him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YoungQBCompetition:
There's no such thing as a franchise QB based on your description, other than maybe Peyton Manning. Any QB who isn't his own system/calling his own plays can be replaced by many different guys, because he'll need to have the system in place in order to succeed.

Montana wasn't even a clear upgrade over Steve DeBerg in Kansas City.

Steve Young was horrible in Tampa Bay and worse than both Steve DeBerg and Vinny Testaverde with the same team.

Brett Favre was going nowhere in Atlanta.

Troy Aikman was a bust before Norv Turner.

Warren Moon was not a factor before the run-and-shoot.

Jim Kelly was nothing before the K-gun offense.

John Elway's numbers were mediocre before Jim Fassel installed the WCO.

Dan Marino wasn't the same after Shula retired.

oh dear, here we go, again
you mentioned Elway, so SWH has been dispatched..

OVERRATED. Universally considered a top 10 QB when he shouldnt be anywhere close to that.

Would've won 10 SBs with Bill Walsh.

Nah. He simply wasnt as good as everyone remembers. His legacy is a combination of hype, an undeserved MVP and winning rings on the back of Terrell Davis.

I was just messing around. I actually agree with your opinion on Elway.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100% on this. Don't even get me started on how overrated Elway was/is.

I thought I was kinda the only one who thought Elway was overrated. I don't feel alone anymore! Lol 🙂.

You're not the only one. there are plenty of people who feel this way.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Since07:
Anyone know how strong his arm is? Can he even throw 50 yards? Not hating just curious. What QBs were elite without a strong arm? All I can think of is Montana, Manning, Brees but they all had good but not great throw power Purdy just seems mediocre. He his some deep crossing routes only time I remember him throwing it over the top was to mccaffrey awhile back and that seemed 40 yards?

I'm convinced Purdy is a good qb but not quite convinced he has the potential to be elite there's little evidence that shows a qb can be elite without at least a good arm. I know he's still recovering and getting his strength back but it is concerning, it's the only thing that makes me still question if he's the future

If Purdy can be a franchise QB, I really don't care if you or anyone else considers him elite. I want a perennial starter. I want no QB competitions. I want a guy that you know will be our guy for years. If he's top 3, fantastic. But we don't need elite. We need a franchise QB first, and I believe in Brock to be that guy

I'm all in on Brock but I don't see him as a franchise QB. It's a difference of what I consider a franchise QB or any franchuse player. The term gets tossed around so easy now that people consider anyone that can start a franchise player. I disagree.

To me a franchise QB is one the franchise can't survive without. Someone who can't be replaced. A player that comes along once every 10 or 15 years. I know that's rare territory but that's what I consider the term to mean. Montana was one but theNiners were able to replace him with another. That doesn't happen very often. GB did it with Favre then Rodgers. Brock is the best we have but he can be replaced. Maybe not this season but he's not a generational QB. He's very good and works well in Kyle's system. So would many other QBs if given the chance. Why do you think Kyle wanted Cousins so much. Not for his arm strength of running ability.

If Trevor Lawrence had the same start to his career that Brock has, people would be calling him a franchise QB. Hell people still call Lawrence a franchise QB, even though he's been outperformed by a guy drafted dead last. I just don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss Brock even though he's had arguably the best start to a career in NFL history for a QB. I frankly have no idea whether he will be a franchise QB, but I'm certainly not pessimistic after the incredible play he's put on tape. Some special tape, that if were from a number one pick, there wouldn't be a person questioning whether he's a franchise QB or not.

The difference is one plays for the 9ers and the other plays for the Jaguars. Purdy definitely deserves credit but I don't think he's capable of putting an entire franchise on his shoulders like Lawrence has bad analogy. No one is questioning his accuracy and processing which is arguably the most important things but his intangibles.
It works in this system because there are so many weapons with a primary run game which doesn't take anything away from Purdys play he's a great fit and executes but you could put Lawrence just about anywhere with anybody and he can significantly elevate an offense.
See you point though, yes if Purdy was a 1st round pick people would be a lot quicker to crown him as a franchise qb. I'm happy with Purdy but not one to jump the gun and label him the future yet he's barley played a season