QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by blm7754:
IIRC, he got hit as he threw it. The protection was not great. That's a huge factor when you're trying to hit big chunk plays downfield in situations where the defense knows that's what you're going to do.

If you don't have great protection, You're not getting those deep shot plays unless you get the QB outside the pocket on a bootleg or something. That's the great mobile QBs do to make stuff happen (i.e. Mahomes). The great non-mobile QBs often do rely on having great protection. When they don't the struggle just like Purdy did.

This one? He didn't get hit at all

BROCK PURDY INT

he lost the game for the 49ers
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— Crumbletakes (@Crumbletakes) October 24, 2023

He didn't get on this until he threw it…he had pressure coming in, but that's the life of a QB. Kirk had plays with dudes coming in on him and made the play.

#49ers Brock Purdy INT... pic.twitter.com/gG0LekSg0d

— Law Nation Sports (@LawsNation) October 24, 2023

even Brock said that was a bad ball. Sucks because overall he was having a good game besides the two back breaking INTs

You know what I see on that play beside a bad throw. 3-man rush get pressure. The Vikes got a sack with a three-man rush during the game. He was under pressure, but the ball sailed, and it was a bad decision and a bad throw. He had Ayuik one on one for an easy completion.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You guys need to chill. Purdy is a good QB.

This.

THIS 2X...

at least treat the guy just like every QB who ever played in the history of the NFL..

Im not saying how i think it should be handled. Im talking about how the shannahans have handled the QB position.

Personally I think purdy should get 2 years of un interrupted play to hone his skills. I thought the same for Trey.

All I'm saying is, with shannahans lack of patience, how will HE handle a stretch of bad play/losing? I think we all know the answer to that. IMO, shannhan won't hesitate to move off of him and move to Darnold. Then after Darnold $hits the bed we move on to Shannahans first choice all along. Cousins.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Like what was said on 94.7 yesterday, If there is one thing every niners fan should know by now, the shannahans have zero patience with the QB position. If Purdy stinks it up against the bengles, you know shannahan would move on to Darnold. And the worst thing happened monday night. The 49er defense could have put the Cousins to the 49ers in the offseason narrative to bed permanently and they didn't. Cousins balled out in front of the guy who has loved him forever. I wonder what the odds are that cousins ends up with the 49ers now?

Only way Sam is coming in is if Brock is hurt.

Or we take the losing streak to 4 by losing to the bangles and the jags.

Cmon, after what we've seen the last 7 years, do people really think Shannahan is above moving off of purdy even if he is still healthy?

Kyle is all in with Brock. I don't think he could be more clear about that.

Sam is a perpetual loser in the NFL. Tossing him in there pretending he's gonna take this team to a Super Bowl is about as silly as it gets imo.

losing streaks aren't always on the QB. While Brock wasn't a rock star vs Cleveland he lead them down the field for an easy winning FG. This past game, outside of two poor throws he played well imo. Plenty of blame to go around there…tons of nuance when you're talking about benching a QB.

Sunday's game was the perfect example of how the Niners win or lose. As long as the defense is good and the team can play mostly from the front, they are able to operate their offense to perfection. This team and Kyle's offense isn't designed to play from behind, especially in the 4th quarter when down by more than 3. Brock played well for most of the game but he tried to make a big play twice in the 4th quarter and failed. That's not his game. He's much better at the controlled offense where he can throw underneath. He can throw over the top but in the 4th quarter the receivers are often double teamed deep and it makes it that much harder. He doesn't have the rifle arm that sometimes id needed to make those types of throws.

This isn't a knock on Brock. Most QBs can't make those throws with any regularity. This team needs to play with the led so they can run their offense. It seems like they have problems if they have to start chucking the ball deep. Most teams do but this team is tied to one way to win. Get out in front and stay there. The D has to keep the score close and keep getting the ball back with good field position.

Shanahan loves Darnold, that's a fact at this point.
But Shanahan is not a dumbass.
If Darnold was better than Purdy, Darnold would be the starter.
There's no question Purdy is the better QB and he proved it in just 3 drives in pre-season if he needed it.
This fantasy that Darnold with a top team, well coached will transform in a top 10 QB is just absurd.

Can you imagine Darnold playing as good as Purdy did against the Steelers or the Cowboys?
Those two losses are annoying, I get that but the defense was trash against the Vikings, CMC has fumble problems now, Trent is injured, Moody can't make a 40 yards field goal seemingly. I mean there's a lot that didn't work the last two weeks and not just the QB play.

Purdy ain't getting benched unless they're like 5-7 or something.

Next checkbox for Brock:

Can he come from behind and win the game with his arm if the offense is forced to become one dimensional?

this is a critical one

Why are we even talking about moving to Darnold? My God we overreact. Some of you act like a QB should be perfect every single game and every throw should be perfect. Even our great Joe Montana had bad games. Multi pick games with 0 tds passes too. Every QB in the history of the NFL has bad games!!! Heck some have bad seasons.

Brock drove the team down for the game winning field goal against Cleveland. So yes he can play in clutch situations.
Brock threw the game clinching interception against the Vikings. He choked but every QB has at some point. Lets see if this continues.

Chill out its only been 12 games!!!
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Originally posted by Dshearn:
All this stuff is interlocked....and effects other parts of the team.

Can't run the ball, loose on time of possession, let's the defense get tired, tired defense let's other teams score, other team keeps scoring it leads to more passing with out the aid of play action, and puts a ton of pressure on the QB to play mistake free ball since one Turn over can often loose the game.

No one should be shocked that a young QB struggled with a make shift line, late in the game when the offense had to be one dimensional.

Brock is a gambler, and aggressive by nature. We all know how often he has the ball out before the WR even makes a cut, that is going to lead to chaos and mistakes from time to time....especially throwing to WRs he does not have a ton of timing with.

Brock will be fine, the team needs to get him a grade A polished rout runner as a second security blanket but the dude will be fine.

Side note, I love Brock and Shanny....but dude....when the chips are on the table.....they need to go with their best stuff. I know if they want to move the ball around, but they can't be trying to force the ball to Kittle or Deebo or whomever. We have seen a few forced balls this season, and I don't know if that is Kyle or Brock...but whomever it is they need to take the easy stuff when the defense is giving you easy stuff.

Good post.

The bold was the case with the first pick. Instead of Aiyuk running the route, with his usual aggressive precision, it was Jennings. Instead of precision and arriving at the target point on time, he tried a little shake-and-bake on the first DB and then hesitated on his brake to the middle. The result was what looked like a bad throw by Purdy. In reality, it was the same throw he has made to BA on multiple occasions, only this time it was not BA on the route.

The immediate blame is on Jennings, who is a contested-catch guy, not known for precision routes. Secondarily it is on Shanahan to go away from a proven combination. Purdy gets the blame but is the least guilty of the three.

A good QB needs to "throw the receiver open" even if he isn't open when he releases the ball. Brock does that better than any QB we have had since Steve Young. That is what he had done many times this season, and that is what he was doing on that pick. I would bet that if someone were to chart the location of the ball on the multiple times Purdy has thrown the same pattern to Aiyuk or Deebo, we would see they all fit within a very small circle.

Purdy has made some amazing small window throws this season that may have looked like he forced it, but, as you said, he is aggressive by nature and that is what Kyle loves about him. I love it as well. Purdy is going to be just fine.

After the 17 yr run and QB sneak Brock looked gassed to me and thanks to earlier mismanagement we already ha blown one time out. Couple that with the terrible pocket and I could see mistakes coming. Fact of the matter is that this is basically a rookie QB who has looked amazing, now we are seeing some growing pains (that we wouldn't even notice if not for missed kicks, bad D play and or playcalling, and failure to capitalize on turnovers). I think another thing that has been highlighted is the depth problem we all noticed in the preseason. After Aiyuk, Deebo and to a lesser extent Jennings there is a huge drop off. We should not be relying on a career Return specialist to make a make or break play in that situation. Danny Gray????? I would not be shocked if we trade for a veteran WR since deebo likes to use his body as a bludgeoning device.

Just my two cents. I'm all in on Brock I think he fits what we do perfectly, I will be shocked if he's not the guy for the next 10+ years.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
All this stuff is interlocked....and effects other parts of the team.

Can't run the ball, loose on time of possession, let's the defense get tired, tired defense let's other teams score, other team keeps scoring it leads to more passing with out the aid of play action, and puts a ton of pressure on the QB to play mistake free ball since one Turn over can often loose the game.

No one should be shocked that a young QB struggled with a make shift line, late in the game when the offense had to be one dimensional.

Brock is a gambler, and aggressive by nature. We all know how often he has the ball out before the WR even makes a cut, that is going to lead to chaos and mistakes from time to time....especially throwing to WRs he does not have a ton of timing with.

Brock will be fine, the team needs to get him a grade A polished rout runner as a second security blanket but the dude will be fine.

Side note, I love Brock and Shanny....but dude....when the chips are on the table.....they need to go with their best stuff. I know if they want to move the ball around, but they can't be trying to force the ball to Kittle or Deebo or whomever. We have seen a few forced balls this season, and I don't know if that is Kyle or Brock...but whomever it is they need to take the easy stuff when the defense is giving you easy stuff.

This is correct in theory, but this wasnt the case on Monday. The defense got tired and we lost the time of possession because the defense was horrendous on 3rd down and couldnt get off the field. Yeah, the running game wasnt great. But we had more rushing attempts than the Vikings did, and they had 10 minutes more of possession. That is 100% because of our defense.

The rest of the post was pretty good though.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Next checkbox for Brock:

Can he come from behind and win the game with his arm if the offense is forced to become one dimensional?

this is a critical one

It shouldn't be on Brock to do this yet. I get he's the QB and gets the credit/blame, but he's basically still a rookie. Once he's making an actual QBs salary maybe he can be expected to do that.

Meanwhile we have Deebo, big money all pro. BA, wants big money. Kittle, top 3 TE. Juice, best FB. Williams, one of the best LTs of all time. CMC. If anything these are the guys that need to put the team on their back and help Brock out in crunch time.

Purdy did what he had to do against Cleveland, but if you look at it he had a penalty to JJ and a lot of YAC to Aiyuk. He didn't have to do much. His team helped him out until the kicker messed it all up.

That's a lot just to say I think if we wanna win a SB this year everybody is gonna have to contribute when games get rough. Can't and shouldn't be all on Brock.

Calling for Brock to be benched after 2 losses is just as bad or worse than proclaiming him the franchise QB after a few starts. Personally, I've always felt that at least 2 years are needed to form a strong opinion on a player no matter which sport he plays. I've seen way too many guys come in and set the sport on fire only to fizzle in year 2 or 3. Often times it's because the other teams find a weakness and exploit it. Sometimes the adrenaline rush that young players have wears off. Whatever the reason the only real test of a players greatness or lack of it is time.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
All this stuff is interlocked....and effects other parts of the team.

Can't run the ball, loose on time of possession, let's the defense get tired, tired defense let's other teams score, other team keeps scoring it leads to more passing with out the aid of play action, and puts a ton of pressure on the QB to play mistake free ball since one Turn over can often loose the game.

No one should be shocked that a young QB struggled with a make shift line, late in the game when the offense had to be one dimensional.

Brock is a gambler, and aggressive by nature. We all know how often he has the ball out before the WR even makes a cut, that is going to lead to chaos and mistakes from time to time....especially throwing to WRs he does not have a ton of timing with.

Brock will be fine, the team needs to get him a grade A polished rout runner as a second security blanket but the dude will be fine.

Side note, I love Brock and Shanny....but dude....when the chips are on the table.....they need to go with their best stuff. I know if they want to move the ball around, but they can't be trying to force the ball to Kittle or Deebo or whomever. We have seen a few forced balls this season, and I don't know if that is Kyle or Brock...but whomever it is they need to take the easy stuff when the defense is giving you easy stuff.

This is correct in theory, but this wasnt the case on Monday. The defense got tired and we lost the time of possession because the defense was horrendous on 3rd down and couldnt get off the field. Yeah, the running game wasnt great. But we had more rushing attempts than the Vikings did, and they had 10 minutes more of possession. That is 100% because of our defense.

The rest of the post was pretty good though.

It definitely felt like the Vikings converted every 3rd down. Whether that's scheme, play calling, the defensive line or secondary... is up for debate. But we need to be better on defense.

Not about to catch up on all of this thread but I will say I've seen a lot of people being out on Brock and to me it's absolutely delusional to do that.

Yes the shine has worn off and we're 0-2 in the last 2 games and he's thrown 3 picks in them, including back to back potential game winning/lead establishing drives vs the Vikings.

Cleveland game was way worse and gave me a lot more concern though their defense, injuries we suffered and weather conditions alleviate some of those concerns.

The Viking game he was great most of the game. The two picks are magnified tenfold due to the timing but that doesn't change everything else in the game - poor play on defense, bonehead coaching decisions.

Unfortunately it's a double edged sword with Brock. We all love the big plays he's able to get us by throwing anticipation passes into windows that get us chunks of yards but when you make those type of throws...anything being off can result in turnovers. The first pick was such a play imo. Jennings does get rubbed a bit and held up on his route and Brock also makes an off target throw to a spot when Banks gets pushed back into him. Add two things together and you get an ugly throw pick.

The last pick I wish Brock wouldn't make. The inside throws like that are dangerous but I understand the game situation so it may not be a throw he attempts if we have timeouts or a lot more time.

All that stuff aside I think Brock still has plenty of great football ahead of him and should keep improving like most QBs do with time. Not to mention Brock is 11th in completion %, 9th in passing yards and tied for 6th in TDs also out of the top 20 QBs in TDs only one has less interceptions thrown than Brock(ironically he's a rookie in CJ Stroud with 1) and all of the guys who have more TDs thrown than him have more interceptions thrown.

Anyone calling for Brock to be benched is absolutely off their rocker.