QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NCommand:
CMC rushing and Brock is even more efficient within it. Yet, at the end of the day, it's still the exact same 170 yards rushing and 220 passing team.

Winning sucks i know

12 regular season wins in a row is frustrating

A win is the only stat that matters.

True I don't care if we fart points to win, I'm happy.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Has anyone talked about the one play where Brock got DESTROYED???

Even shook his head like "that was a good one"..

I knew he could take a hit because of his stature.... but still, impressive.

Edit- and yes I know about the college one.

Edit #2- found it.

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— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 18, 2023

Ugh that's quite a hit.

I want to run the table. I know we have some tough up coming games. Dallas and Philly, but we should beat all the others no problem. 15-2 at least ending the season. Let's make a statement to Philly, Dallas and the league heading into the playoffs.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Also, I'm warning you NC. You are dangerously close to making me follow through on my threat to post Brony memes and unironic Twilight content. I said in the Kyle thread if one more person tries to blame Jimmy not throwing to open deep guys on "Kyle's system" I'm gonna do it. Because Kyle has REPEATEDLY said—including after the Rams game—that he wants his QBs taking those open deep shots.

You've been warned...

Personally, I just don't think the long ball is a point of emphasis on this offense. Yes, Purdy does need to take the long ball shots, if its' there. But just taking it and missing - still has some benefits, and still will scare some DC's into loosening their pass coverages. *IF* the long ball was something Kyle wanted to make as a featured part of his game, he'd want more Tyreek Hill type WR's and less Deebo, Aiyuk, and Jauan type of Wr's. I just don't think those misses will significantly affect Kyle's passing offense to where it will be shut down. Having said that, we'll see in the NY Giants game if Purdy is still having problems with the Long Ball. NY Giants, as I understand it, haven't had a defensive sack this season yet. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) But if I"m right, the NY Giants game would be the time to throw the long ball and get Purdy's deep ball calibrated correctly.

One of the differences between Brock and Jimmy is that Brock DOES take those shots. And I hate to say this yet again, but in 2018 when CJ Beathard went in, immediately there were more shots down the field. He took more shots with Trey in as well. But that isn't even the point. Kyle has said REPEATEDLY that when the shots are there he wants his guys taking them. There is no "Don't throw it to the open man down the field because you have to throw it to the short guy I schemed open for you" nonsense in this offense. When the play is there, he wants his guys making it, and he wants them being fearless and taking shots when they are there. He's said this numerous times.

Disagree, the long ball is simply *NOT* a point of emphasis in Kyle's offense. YAC is. I understand what you are saying, in that Kyle does not *discourage* long ball throws if it's there. NC is simply saying it's not practiced much in this offense whereas the YAC passes are. Hence, when it IS there, because it's not extensively practiced, it's more miss than hit - in Brock's case. That is one explanation of Brock's Rams misfires. I happen to share that option also. But also, every QB has a bad day. Brock's not a robot, he's human. So he's not perfect. Only one guy was - that was 2,000 or so years ago when he walked the earth.

If there's one statistic that the Niners offense is known for above anything else, it's YAC: Yards After the Catch. The way that Shanahan generates the YAC is by designing his plays to target the middle of the field, allowing his receivers to catch the ball with plenty of momentum and a lot of real estate around them so they can carry on for another chunk of yards before being tackled.
https://www.bruinsportsanalytics.com/post/kyleshanahan

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At least someone in here, maybe NC, has repeatedly claimed that Kyle does not want his QB taking shots down the field when they are open. Or rather, that Kyle tells the QB he always has to throw the ball to a particular spot. That's totally false. Kyle wants his QB to throw the ball to the open guy.

And if you want to point to a place on the field where the offense is designed to attack, it's the intermediate areas. The deep ins. All the horizontal passing and stretch running is designed to open that area up so we can go for the kill. And those plays almost always include a clearing route over the top, which Kyle WANTS our guys to throw if it's open—although usually it's the deep in.

YAC is valuable whether you're taking shots or not, and why in the world did we draft Danny Gray and bring in Goodwin in 2017 if we just want a bunch of possession WRs? Why Dante Pettis with his 4.32 40 time?

Regardless, this isn't the WCO. This is an offense whose primary purpose is to attack 12-20 yards down the field in between the hashes, with a run game and horizontal passing game designed to spread out the defense so that those deep ins and posts can be completed successfully.

Walsh had Renaldo and other speed demons on his squad. That doesn't mean he was operating a long ball offense. Most of Kyle's squad is YAC monsters. The run game is a way to manipulate the linebackers in order for the Wr's to get YAC's behind the linebackers and evade the DB's for a TD. Again, Kyle's offense targets the area in between the DB's and the LB's - that's what his offense attacks.

Missing the deep balls is not a disaster for his offense. Having said that, that dimension, as you said, is there. If the Defense is squatting on the short and medium balls, like what the Rams did, then of course Brock has to hit those deep ball *if it's available.* Conversely, if a defense is indeed squatting on the short and medium passes, Kyle will just run the ball and gash the defense that way. No need for Brock to throw a deep outs to get the Defense to loosen the short and medium coverages.

NC is quite right that Kyles main offense is a conservative short passing game, simply because he wants to have a ball control offense that ball hogs and takes time away from the opposing teams time of possession and rests his defense. He doesn't want an offense like the fast break Greatest Show on Turf. Long ball offenses tend to be adversely affected by the weather, whereas, conservative short passing offenses with a strong ground component are very good in all kinds of weather.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Winning sucks i know

12 regular season wins in a row is frustrating

You're gonna need to make at least one of those throws at some point. Unless you think throwing screens all day long will get it done.

He literally made one to jennings lol

And the one to Deebo in the end zone before half time, which end in PI.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I want to run the table. I know we have some tough up coming games. Dallas and Philly, but we should beat all the others no problem. 15-2 at least ending the season. Let's make a statement to Philly, Dallas and the league heading into the playoffs.

I projected 15-2, as well. It's optimistic but if we stay healthy and disciplined, it's possible. The question is - who are the losses to!? Lol cause we will need to beat Dallas and Philly for home field, most likely. Unless we just have a better record and lose to them.

Dallas will be tough this year. It'll be hard to beat then 4 straight times. 2 in the playoffs, week 5 this year, and most likely the playoffs this year.

that team is hungry and motivated. Lol I almost want them over confident come play off time.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Walsh had Renaldo and other speed demons on his squad. That doesn't mean he was operating a long ball offense. Most of Kyle's squad is YAC monsters. The run game is a way to manipulate the linebackers in order for the Wr's to get YAC's behind the linebackers and evade the DB's for a TD. Again, Kyle's offense targets the area in between the DB's and the LB's - that's what his offense attacks.

Missing the deep balls is not a disaster for his offense. Having said that, that dimension, as you said, is there. If the Defense is squatting on the short and medium balls, like what the Rams did, then of course Brock has to hit those deep ball *if it's available.* Conversely, if a defense is indeed squatting on the short and medium passes, Kyle will just run the ball and gash the defense that way. No need for Brock to throw a deep outs to get the Defense to loosen the short and medium coverages.

NC is quite right that Kyles main offense is a conservative short passing game, simply because he wants to have a ball control offense that ball hogs and takes time away from the opposing teams time of possession and rests his defense. He doesn't want an offense like the fast break Greatest Show on Turf. Long ball offenses tend to be adversely affected by the weather, whereas, conservative short passing offenses with a strong ground component are very good in all kinds of weather.

If we can find a speed demon - guys similar to tyreke hill, that's a game changer. You don't just want a guy who's super fast and just goes deep - you want him to be super fast, run great routes, play on the outside or slot, etc. it opens a whole new element to your offense.

i don't believe a wr needs speed to be awesome, but it sure helps. Becomes extremely difficult to defend. It's really all our offense is missing. Imagine if we had a guy like tyreke hill and the possibilities - especially coupled with our current players.

It would make the defense HAVE to play off more, opening up so much more. So if gray can develop more - it takes our offense to another level. Those guys are nightmares to defend, especially on broken plays.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Has anyone talked about the one play where Brock got DESTROYED???

Even shook his head like "that was a good one"..

I knew he could take a hit because of his stature.... but still, impressive.

Edit- and yes I know about the college one.

Edit #2- found it.

Football = collision sport pic.twitter.com/EZXVvWinfJ

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 18, 2023

Ugh that's quite a hit.

Should've been flagged for Unnecessary Roughness.

If that was Maholmes, that player would be forced to retire and pray for forgiveness for the rest of his life.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Has anyone talked about the one play where Brock got DESTROYED???

Even shook his head like "that was a good one"..

I knew he could take a hit because of his stature.... but still, impressive.

Edit- and yes I know about the college one.

Edit #2- found it.

Football = collision sport pic.twitter.com/EZXVvWinfJ

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) September 18, 2023

Ugh that's quite a hit.

Should have been flagged. Defender was not trying to sack Brock there.

Brock got rid of the ball.. I know the current rules makes it tough on defenders to have to do some magical stuff to avoid hits on QBs and WRs... but I'd just want some consistency. Truly feel if that was one of our defensive players that hit a QB like that... they would have been ejected.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Should've been flagged for Unnecessary Roughness.

If that was Maholmes, that player would be forced to retire and pray for forgiveness for the rest of his life.

Brock takes a ton of tough hits because he will hang in there until the last second. Poor guy must hurt like hell the morning after the game.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
He literally made one to jennings lol

Also curious if the miss to Deebo was trying to run him away from the backside safety, while Deebo did not read that and Purdy threw a little farther than he wanted.

Also, could Aiyuk have been a bit slow on his due to his pain?

Misses that due to other circumstances looked worse than they were.

How about the 30+ yarder to Deebo in the endzone that got called for DPI? That pass was deep and accurate. But because it ended in a penalty, everyone forgets what a great pass that was.

Also, his deep ball misses were off by maybe 2 yards and were on track in which the receiver was running. It wasn't like they were wildly off target.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How about the 30+ yarder to Deebo in the endzone that got called for DPI? That pass was deep and accurate. But because it ended in a penalty, everyone forgets what a great pass that was.

Also, his deep ball misses were off by maybe 2 yards and were on track in which the receiver was running. It wasn't like they were wildly off target.

Damn I actually did forget about that. It was a great play overall, deebo had a chance on it and it put us at the 1 yard line.

it almost seemed like the rams would rather get a penalty there instead of let us score, since there was so little time left.

but yeah, that was a great throw.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And yet the numbers are identical. Why is that?

Because Brock missed throws. Simple as that.

Why we at 30 points a game every time Brock starts if it's all identical? Lot of the yards has to do with the games being over early and calling off the dogs.

CMC rushing and Brock is even more efficient within it. Yet, at the end of the day, it's still the exact same 170 yards rushing and 220 passing team.

Jimmy would have been sacked like 10 times over the past two weeks and would have thrown atleast 2 INT's. Brock's pocket awareness and mobility helps this offense out tremendously.

Most teams throw for 300+ yards because they throw the ball 40+ times a game. That just isn't and never will be this offense. What has changed with this offense is ppg since Brock took over. We are averaging 5 more ppg in the first half and like 8 more ppg overall. That is comparing Jimmy+CMC vs Brock+CMC.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy would have been sacked like 10 times over the past two weeks and would have thrown atleast 2 INT's. Brock's pocket awareness and mobility helps this offense out tremendously.

Most teams throw for 300+ yards because they throw the ball 40+ times a game. That just isn't and never will be this offense. What has changed with this offense is ppg since Brock took over. We are averaging 5 more ppg in the first half and like 8 more ppg overall. That is comparing Jimmy+CMC vs Brock+CMC.

Are people really complaining that we are balanced? Lol if we are throwing 40 times a game, our run game isn't working - which means our offense is missing a lot of plays with no play action and the defense is sitting out there with their ears pinned back.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
CMC rushing and Brock is even more efficient within it. Yet, at the end of the day, it's still the exact same 170 yards rushing and 220 passing team.

And when Brock starts hitting the deep ball more consistently it'll be 280.

Bam!!!! Yes.