QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've seen this deep ball theme before. I think when you have a safe game plan where a huge chunk of the low volume of passes are behind or just past the LOS and then 2-3 times a game, are asked to hit the deep lower % shot, it's off. Even the wide open ones.

It's like chipping on the chipping green for 3 hours and then heading out to tee/hole 1 and trying to hit your driver for the first time that day.

Meh, it's not like Mahomes/Herbert/Allen/Stafford are chucking it deep every other drop back. It's the NFL and if you want to be paid like an elite guy….you gotta hit those open explosives…at the very least give the receiver a shot to make the play.

it wasn't just one throw either, it was a couple throws downfield. I'm not saying he can't or never will…but this issue dates back to his college time as well.

His overall game is good…I'm happy he's our guy right now. Hopefully it's something he can become a little more consistent at.

Those are pass centric offenses where the QB has plenty of time to get in rhythm. We're run centric. So I'm just saying when those deeper shots are dialed up, while there are no excuses here, it seems we see things a bit off here no matter the QB. I think that's why.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Miranda:
People here seems obsessed about deep balls. It's hilarious

Would have given them two extra TDs. I like scoring TDs and have a complete offense that uses the whole field. So if that equal being obsessed…okay?

We lost a freaking SB because we couldn't hit that deep ball, the other QB won it because he could.

Some people get so defensive and emotional about the QB. Totally get it, also it's okay to be objective about them and what they're good and not so good at. They can also improve, much like any player

we lost the SB due our run being stuffed and couldn't connect on wide open short throws (due to c jones ten foot arms).

Love that we bring this up weekly.

Add in Bosa being held badly.
Fake OPI call on Kittle at the beginning.
As you said the run game struggled in the 2nd half.

Would love to see a completed deep pass on the first play of the game on Thursday.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock has completed 50 of 60 (83%)passes in the 10-19 yard range in his NFL career.

THAT is Kyle's happy place too so this is a monster connection.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've seen this deep ball theme before. I think when you have a safe game plan where a huge chunk of the low volume of passes are behind or just past the LOS and then 2-3 times a game, are asked to hit the deep lower % shot, it's off. Even the wide open ones.

It's like chipping on the chipping green for 3 hours and then heading out to tee/hole 1 and trying to hit your driver for the first time that day.

Meh, it's not like Mahomes/Herbert/Allen/Stafford are chucking it deep every other drop back. It's the NFL and if you want to be paid like an elite guy….you gotta hit those open explosives…at the very least give the receiver a shot to make the play.

it wasn't just one throw either, it was a couple throws downfield. I'm not saying he can't or never will…but this issue dates back to his college time as well.

His overall game is good…I'm happy he's our guy right now. Hopefully it's something he can become a little more consistent at.

Those are pass centric offenses where the QB has plenty of time to get in rhythm. We're run centric. So I'm just saying when those deeper shots are dialed up, while there are no excuses here, it seems we see things a bit off here no matter the QB. I think that's why.

Other QBs are passing 25-35% more per game. If I were to guess the pass attempt per game expectation for Purdy is around 27 per game. Other QBs are 37-45… Stafford threw 50+ times yesterday.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Interesting, but would be useful. I know back in the day 40+ was considered a "bomb". I would think under 10 is short and 10-20 is medium? I guess that could be refined, but feels accurate to me.

I see what Ncommand is saying. Its hard to criticize deep ball accuracy when he doesn't throw them much. I think on a lot of plays Kyle does have a guy going deep and I see they get open, but it's almost as if that route is the QB's last read or simply an earlier read was already open before he ever got that far. With more experience we will see Purdy taking more deep shots.

NC has a point, however, it's still easy to criticize the deep throws. NFL QBs are expected to make those throws. To me it's a matter or proportion. If you miss a few on rare occasions, every QB does, I have seen Brady miss wide open guys. Brock hasn't had this issue to me, outside of this Rams game..

so I will look for him to hit the next couple when they are open downfield

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've seen this deep ball theme before. I think when you have a safe game plan where a huge chunk of the low volume of passes are behind or just past the LOS and then 2-3 times a game, are asked to hit the deep lower % shot, it's off. Even the wide open ones.

It's like chipping on the chipping green for 3 hours and then heading out to tee/hole 1 and trying to hit your driver for the first time that day.

Personally, I think the OLIne has a bit to do with the long ball misfires. I think Purdy might be rushing it a bit on those long throws simply because he may not yet trust his right side pass protections. Just a shot in the dark. Also Donald had some good pressures up the middle and if the QB can't really step into the pocket, that may cause those long ball miscues. On One 3 yard slant pass to Deebo, Sanchez commented on Brock's foot mechanics and his toes were pointed in the wrong direction to where the Wr was running his routes. Putting Purdy in a shot gun, a la Jimmy, might help on those longer developing routes.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. 20+ yards. We've been through this. If you can find a site that separates 20-35 yarders from hailmary's please let me know.

Yeah I don't consider a 20 yard pass a "deep downfield" throw. I wouldn't consider those two passes yesterday as "Hail Mary" throws and they were both further than 20 yards.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've seen this deep ball theme before. I think when you have a safe game plan where a huge chunk of the low volume of passes are behind or just past the LOS and then 2-3 times a game, are asked to hit the deep lower % shot, it's off. Even the wide open ones.

It's like chipping on the chipping green for 3 hours and then heading out to tee/hole 1 and trying to hit your driver for the first time that day.

Meh, it's not like Mahomes/Herbert/Allen/Stafford are chucking it deep every other drop back. It's the NFL and if you want to be paid like an elite guy….you gotta hit those open explosives…at the very least give the receiver a shot to make the play.

it wasn't just one throw either, it was a couple throws downfield. I'm not saying he can't or never will…but this issue dates back to his college time as well.

His overall game is good…I'm happy he's our guy right now. Hopefully it's something he can become a little more consistent at.

Those are pass centric offenses where the QB has plenty of time to get in rhythm. We're run centric. So I'm just saying when those deeper shots are dialed up, while there are no excuses here, it seems we see things a bit off here no matter the QB. I think that's why.

Other QBs are passing 25-35% more per game. If I were to guess the pass attempt per game expectation for Purdy is around 27 per game. Other QBs are 37-45… Stafford threw 50+ times yesterday.

Exactly my point.

It's funny...we had this same exact conversation with Jimmy too. I still think Brock will be better in the long run in this area but some of this can be attributed to the style of offense run here. IMHO, of course.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Miranda:
People here seems obsessed about deep balls. It's hilarious

Would have given them two extra TDs. I like scoring TDs and have a complete offense that uses the whole field. So if that equal being obsessed…okay?

We lost a freaking SB because we couldn't hit that deep ball, the other QB won it because he could.

Some people get so defensive and emotional about the QB. Totally get it, also it's okay to be objective about them and what they're good and not so good at. They can also improve, much like any player

we lost the SB due our run being stuffed and couldn't connect on wide open short throws (due to c jones ten foot arms).

Person failed to punch Chris JOnes in the stomach to force his hands down. I hope Burford TKO's Chris Jones, if we see them in the playoffs.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've seen this deep ball theme before. I think when you have a safe game plan where a huge chunk of the low volume of passes are behind or just past the LOS and then 2-3 times a game, are asked to hit the deep lower % shot, it's off. Even the wide open ones.

It's like chipping on the chipping green for 3 hours and then heading out to tee/hole 1 and trying to hit your driver for the first time that day.

Personally, I think the OLIne has a bit to do with the long ball misfires. I think Purdy might be rushing it a bit on those long throws simply because he may not yet trust his right side pass protections. Just a shot in the dark. Also Donald had some good pressures up the middle and if the QB can't really step into the pocket, that may cause those long ball miscues. On One 3 yard slant pass to Deebo, Sanchez commented on Brock's foot mechanics and his toes were pointed in the wrong direction to where the Wr was running his routes. Putting Purdy in a shot gun, a la Jimmy, might help on those longer developing routes.

Ironically, I hadn't even thought of that. No, really.

I wonder if he did have any rushed-psychology there or was under some duress on those throws. Good point. All-22 will help.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've seen this deep ball theme before. I think when you have a safe game plan where a huge chunk of the low volume of passes are behind or just past the LOS and then 2-3 times a game, are asked to hit the deep lower % shot, it's off. Even the wide open ones.

It's like chipping on the chipping green for 3 hours and then heading out to tee/hole 1 and trying to hit your driver for the first time that day.

Personally, I think the OLIne has a bit to do with the long ball misfires. I think Purdy might be rushing it a bit on those long throws simply because he may not yet trust his right side pass protections. Just a shot in the dark. Also Donald had some good pressures up the middle and if the QB can't really step into the pocket, that may cause those long ball miscues. On One 3 yard slant pass to Deebo, Sanchez commented on Brock's foot mechanics and his toes were pointed in the wrong direction to where the Wr was running his routes. Putting Purdy in a shot gun, a la Jimmy, might help on those longer developing routes.

Ironically, I hadn't even thought of that. No, really.

I wonder if he did have any rushed-psychology there or was under some duress on those throws. Good point. All-22 will help.

If memory serves me correctly I think it was lined up with his hitches and he just over threw it, I don't think the receivers were supposed to be 10 yards further down the field.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Would love to see a completed deep pass on the first play of the game on Thursday.

Well, it IS the g spots…..

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
How big a concern is the deep ball accuracy? I feel like that is the one aspect of the offense that's been missing, and if teams don't respect the deep threat, feel like it takes away from the overall potency of the offense.

Is his deep ball accuracy a recurring issue? Or just last game? Because all his accuracy was off against the Rams. Almost every throw was 2 yards off, even the short stuff. Go check the first pass and all the other ones where receivers were reaching back to bail him out.

We'll find out if it's a recurring issue in the next game with the Giants. DC's will look at those misfires and force Brock to throw more of those, if that's not something he can't overcome - like Jimmy with outside the hash-mark throws. I don't think it's a problem, because those misses weren't by much.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Would love to see a completed deep pass on the first play of the game on Thursday.

It should be law to do this early, or at least the defense should fear you may do it at any time. It loosens up a defense

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Interesting, but would be useful. I know back in the day 40+ was considered a "bomb". I would think under 10 is short and 10-20 is medium? I guess that could be refined, but feels accurate to me.

I see what Ncommand is saying. Its hard to criticize deep ball accuracy when he doesn't throw them much. I think on a lot of plays Kyle does have a guy going deep and I see they get open, but it's almost as if that route is the QB's last read or simply an earlier read was already open before he ever got that far. With more experience we will see Purdy taking more deep shots.

NC has a point, however, it's still easy to criticize the deep throws. NFL QBs are expected to make those throws. To me it's a matter or proportion. If you miss a few on rare occasions, every QB does, I have seen Brady miss wide open guys. Brock hasn't had this issue to me, outside of this Rams game..

so I will look for him to hit the next couple when they are open downfield

Oh I agree. I think both sides have a point that doesnt totally invalidate the other. Now if he's consistently missing them, then its Jimmy G'ed status. Damn, Jimmy never even looked past 15 yards.

I want to see them going for the deep shots more often. Deebo was wide open!