QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

See above.

I just read it. Even if one of the receivers to the right runs a hot, Purdy was still oblivious to the free rusher. So what difference would it have made? The QB needs to be the one to see it and make the change or else it makes no difference in the end result.

You left out the last 30s though and that's where he goes deeper into the receivers responsibility. If Kittle sees it and immediately checks down, Brock is looking right in the middle of the field.

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..."

So you have two pro QB's noting this as a systemic problem (from their ideal-world take) and one offered a simple solution.

I'm legit asking how this should go? Is this a scheme concern? Coaching point concern? QB concern? A blind spot? No concern?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by FreDay:

Originally posted by Goatie:
If we beat Seatle this Thursday we will win every other regular season game. If that happens Lance will not be starting next season. If we get into to the playoffs we have a great chance of going all the way but anything can happen in the playoffs. That is a different animal.

Lance and Jimmy G can both see the writing on the wall. If he keeps winning they are both expendable.

Trey Lance is not expendable. He's a talented QB on a rookie contract and the Niners have had to go to backup quarterbacks every single year Shanahan has been their coach. That makes both Purdy and Lance indispensable.

Pretty sure we didn't in 2019.

Thought Jimmy had missed a game or two but you're right MB. So every year but 2019.

Originally posted by FreDay:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by FreDay:

Originally posted by Goatie:
If we beat Seatle this Thursday we will win every other regular season game. If that happens Lance will not be starting next season. If we get into to the playoffs we have a great chance of going all the way but anything can happen in the playoffs. That is a different animal.

Lance and Jimmy G can both see the writing on the wall. If he keeps winning they are both expendable.

Trey Lance is not expendable. He's a talented QB on a rookie contract and the Niners have had to go to backup quarterbacks every single year Shanahan has been their coach. That makes both Purdy and Lance indispensable.

Pretty sure we didn't in 2019.

Thought Jimmy had missed a game or two but you're right MB. So every year but 2019.

The odds were in your favor. And sadly, that's the point.

Originally posted by NCommand:
See above.

You left out the last 30s.

What is the last 30 seconds you are talking about and why is it so important to your argument?

Even if Kittle looks hot, Purdy would have never saw him anyway.

Again, JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? Purdy never even looked to that side. Which means the primary on that play that he audibled to was to the left. That s**t is more on Purdy and his inexperience than it is on Kyle and his system.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
What is the last 30 seconds you are talking about and why is it so important to your argument?

Even if Kittle looks hot, Purdy would have never saw him anyway.

Again, JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? Purdy never even looked to that side. Which means the primary on that play that he audibled to was to the left. That s**t is more on Purdy and his inexperience than it is on Kyle and his system.

The vast majority of the time it's a misread by the QB. QB knows where the protection is or isn't going to be. He knows what routes are being run. It's incumbent on them to move to offset a pressure if there isn't a guaranteed hot to the play side.

Need to have expectations of the QB to actually read the defense correctly.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
See above.

You left out the last 30s.

What is the last 30 seconds you are talking about and why is it so important to your argument?

Even if Kittle looks hot, Purdy would have never saw him anyway.

Again, JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the audible or playcall was? Purdy never even looked to that side. Which means the primary on that play that he audibled to was to the left. That s**t is more on Purdy and his inexperience than it is on Kyle and his system.

It's everything.

The play call is irrelevant.

I'll repost here:

You left out the last 30s though and that's where he goes deeper into the receivers responsibility. If Kittle sees it and immediately checks hot, Brock is looking right at him in the middle of the field.

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..." JT

So you have two pro QB's noting this as a systemic problem (from their ideal-world take) and one offered a simple solution.

I'm legit asking how this should go? Is this a scheme concern? Coaching point concern? QB concern? A blind spot? No concern?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
See above.

You left out the last 30s.

What is the last 30 seconds you are talking about and why is it so important to your argument?

Even if Kittle looks hot, Purdy would have never saw him anyway.

Again, JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? Purdy never even looked to that side. Which means the primary on that play that he audibled to was to the left. That s**t is more on Purdy and his inexperience than it is on Kyle and his system.

I haven't see the replay of this play yet.. but BCB did pick up that free runner last game

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
What is the last 30 seconds you are talking about and why is it so important to your argument?

Even if Kittle looks hot, Purdy would have never saw him anyway.

Again, JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? Purdy never even looked to that side. Which means the primary on that play that he audibled to was to the left. That s**t is more on Purdy and his inexperience than it is on Kyle and his system.

The vast majority of the time it's a misread by the QB. QB knows where the protection is or isn't going to be. He knows what routes are being run. It's incumbent on them to move to offset a pressure if there isn't a guaranteed hot to the play side.

Need to have expectations of the QB to actually read the defense correctly.

True. BUT he's noting the receivers aren't even bothering (systemic?) or none of them are seeing it pre snap either. So therefore, they just keep doing their normal thing post snap while their QB gets destroyed. JT seems to believe there needs to be an outlet OR at minimum, the receivers seeing it pre snap so they know when to break off hot.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

See above.

I just read it. Even if one of the receivers to the right runs a hot, Purdy was still oblivious to the free rusher. So what difference would it have made? The QB needs to be the one to see it and make the change or else it makes no difference in the end result.

You left out the last 30s though and that's where he goes deeper into the receivers responsibility. If Kittle sees it and immediately checks down, Brock is looking right in the middle of the field.

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..."

So you have two pro QB's noting this as a systemic problem (from their ideal-world take) and one offered a simple solution.

I'm legit asking how this should go? Is this a scheme concern? Coaching point concern? QB concern? A blind spot? No concern?

The key word JT uses is "designated". Meaning its pre determined. He sure enough brings up the play concept and routes and never mentions that the play call was a man beater vs a zone coverage. That right there tells me that he is making a lot of assumptions without actually knowing what the play would have looked like if Purdy made the correct call. I wonder if his assessment would have been different if he watched Purdy's presser and listened to Kyle's conference call.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

See above.

I just read it. Even if one of the receivers to the right runs a hot, Purdy was still oblivious to the free rusher. So what difference would it have made? The QB needs to be the one to see it and make the change or else it makes no difference in the end result.

You left out the last 30s though and that's where he goes deeper into the receivers responsibility. If Kittle sees it and immediately checks down, Brock is looking right in the middle of the field.

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..."

So you have two pro QB's noting this as a systemic problem (from their ideal-world take) and one offered a simple solution.

I'm legit asking how this should go? Is this a scheme concern? Coaching point concern? QB concern? A blind spot? No concern?

The key word JT uses is "designated". Meaning its pre determined. He sure enough brings up the play concept and routes and never mentions that the play call was a man beater vs a zone coverage. That right there tells me that he is making a lot of assumptions without actually knowing what the play would have looked like if Purdy made the correct call. I wonder if his assessment would have been different if he watched Purdy's presser and listened to Kyle's conference call.

Like JD, he's using one play to show an example of good/bad. To illustrate a point.

I doubt he even cares about that because he's not illustrating that. He's illustrating how the protections, QB and receiver handle a blitz. Not the X's and O's of that play vs. that defense.

Yes, if it was the right check by Brock perhaps the ball is out in 2s and the big hit doesn't happen but that wouldn't be illustrating how the offense is handling these pressures pre and post snap.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

See above.

I just read it. Even if one of the receivers to the right runs a hot, Purdy was still oblivious to the free rusher. So what difference would it have made? The QB needs to be the one to see it and make the change or else it makes no difference in the end result.

You left out the last 30s though and that's where he goes deeper into the receivers responsibility. If Kittle sees it and immediately checks down, Brock is looking right in the middle of the field.

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..."

So you have two pro QB's noting this as a systemic problem (from their ideal-world take) and one offered a simple solution.

I'm legit asking how this should go? Is this a scheme concern? Coaching point concern? QB concern? A blind spot? No concern?

The key word JT uses is "designated". Meaning its pre determined. He sure enough brings up the play concept and routes and never mentions that the play call was a man beater vs a zone coverage. That right there tells me that he is making a lot of assumptions without actually knowing what the play would have looked like if Purdy made the correct call. I wonder if his assessment would have been different if he watched Purdy's presser and listened to Kyle's conference call.

Like JD, he's using one play to show an example of good/bad.

I doubt he even cares about that because he's not illustrating that. He's illustrating how the protections, QB and receiver handle a blitz. Not the X's and O's of that play vs. that defense.

Yes, if it was the right check by Brock perhaps the ball is out in 2s and the big hit doesn't happen but that isn't illustrating how the offense is handling these pressures.

You were making the assumption on something that JT never stated and that is that none of the receivers looked hot. As if it is the responsibilty of the receivers to read hot. He used the word designated as if it is a pre determined thing. As though it should have been built into the play. The question you should be asking is who is responsible for recognizing the free blitzer and making that call in Kyle's offense?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

See above.

I just read it. Even if one of the receivers to the right runs a hot, Purdy was still oblivious to the free rusher. So what difference would it have made? The QB needs to be the one to see it and make the change or else it makes no difference in the end result.

You left out the last 30s though and that's where he goes deeper into the receivers responsibility. If Kittle sees it and immediately checks down, Brock is looking right in the middle of the field.

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..."

So you have two pro QB's noting this as a systemic problem (from their ideal-world take) and one offered a simple solution.

I'm legit asking how this should go? Is this a scheme concern? Coaching point concern? QB concern? A blind spot? No concern?

The key word JT uses is "designated". Meaning its pre determined. He sure enough brings up the play concept and routes and never mentions that the play call was a man beater vs a zone coverage. That right there tells me that he is making a lot of assumptions without actually knowing what the play would have looked like if Purdy made the correct call. I wonder if his assessment would have been different if he watched Purdy's presser and listened to Kyle's conference call.

Like JD, he's using one play to show an example of good/bad.

I doubt he even cares about that because he's not illustrating that. He's illustrating how the protections, QB and receiver handle a blitz. Not the X's and O's of that play vs. that defense.

Yes, if it was the right check by Brock perhaps the ball is out in 2s and the big hit doesn't happen but that isn't illustrating how the offense is handling these pressures.

You were making the assumption on something that JT never stated and that is that none of the receivers looked hot. As if it is the responsibilty of the receivers to read hot. He used the word designated as if it is a pre determined thing. As though it should have been built into the play. The question you should be asking is who is responsible for recognizing the free blitzer and making that call in Kyle's offense?

That's what I've been asking. We know Brendel calls the line protections. Did he see it? Is that on him? Often times you'll see the C pre snap point to a potential rusher. Even here.

After him, I have questions on what is built in, if any, the design as a hot outlet nd then, who activates it?

He seems to think there's some responsibility with the receivers here either way noting none of them responded post snap to the blitz (Juice too).

And I'm especially curious why he thought it was a scheme issue and not a coaching point (QB/C/Receivers).

Originally posted by Heroism:

More good news for the 49ers: Brock Purdy is day-to-day with an oblique/rib injury

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 12, 2022

That first hit had me instantly flash to QB Mike White's hit from earlier in the day. So scary! He couldn't even breathe right.