QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by boast:
only in NT will you find a multiple page argument on a play that was run by mistake

Beats arguing about other posters and how they fan.
The core of this argument is that Kyle is getting called out for something the QB did.

LOL. So if he stayed with the original play call the Bucs don't blitz?

What does that have to do with anything? lol

For real. I have no idea anymore.
I'm tapping out. You win NC.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by boast:
only in NT will you find a multiple page argument on a play that was run by mistake

Beats arguing about other posters and how they fan.
The core of this argument is that Kyle is getting called out for something the QB did.

LOL. So if he stayed with the original play call the Bucs don't blitz?

I don't know how you came to this conclusion. But to answer your question, I don't think it mattered, they had a blitzed dialed up and Brock was oblivious to it.

When you get three minutes, please listen to his explanation here. From QB to receivers. Note he never talks about the play call against that defense at all. It has nothing to do with what play the QB deferred too.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by boast:
only in NT will you find a multiple page argument on a play that was run by mistake

Beats arguing about other posters and how they fan.
The core of this argument is that Kyle is getting called out for something the QB did.

LOL. So if he stayed with the original play call the Bucs don't blitz?

What does that have to do with anything? lol

For real. I have no idea anymore.
I'm tapping out. You win NC.

Peace. Next time I'll post the transcript for ya'll. LOL

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by boast:
only in NT will you find a multiple page argument on a play that was run by mistake

Beats arguing about other posters and how they fan.
The core of this argument is that Kyle is getting called out for something the QB did.

LOL. So if he stayed with the original play call the Bucs don't blitz?

What does that have to do with anything? lol

Watch the video.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:


QB School (49ers great JT O'Sullivan) released a video analyzing his first start.

First play.

"Not great scheme here for me."

This is also what Kurt Warner talked about. Either no hot read by design or he's to the back side which doesn't help the QB if blitzed. Result, Brock gets killed.

Anybody know more about why Kyle does this?

He audibled into the wrong play. That was on him

Fine. Let's blame Kyle for allowing Brock to audible.

That's usually how it goes around here. Find any and every reason to blame and point the finger at Kyle.

OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL

Listen to him again from :43-3:00 mark where he's talking about the design in general. Same with Kurt. That's two pro QB's talking about this design now.

I will say, he did cover a play (7:23) where it looked like Kyle has CMC run out of the backfield to the play side on Brock's rushing TD. Loved it.

If you listen to Kyle's explanation though. Purdy audibled into a play designed to beat man coverage but the bucs were not in man coverage. They were in zone. The play itself did not account for #22 coming in on the blitz. I guess those are the dangers of making assumptions when breaking down film and not having the inside scoop.

He's not talking about man vs. zone or the play call itself. He's talking about no hot route built in and no recognition/adjustment pre and post snap of the blitz by anybody.

So every single pass play should have a built in hot route?

That's in part what I'm asking. He called it a bad design. But I'm wondering if it's more a coaching point for the non-QB positions. Meaning, should THEY recognize pre snap and adjust post snap? Like he showed, nobody is even looking.

From what thl was showing on that gif above. It looks like the play, if called against man coverage, is meant to beat an over aggresive defense. No one was open because it was audibled into against the wrong type of coverage. That is why no one was open and why the play was dead from the snap.

Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on themselves...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Let's reel this back a bit and stay with the play in question, the one where Brock got hit from a free rusher. We know that the pass protection call was incorrect based on the OL sliding in the wrong direction. We also know that at no point did Brock consider a rusher coming from his right side. If Brock had known, he would have at least looked to his right to see the rusher. He did not, and got completely blind-sided. So this "throw it hot" would never have even occurred to Brock on that play. He never thought about the blitzer or saw the blitzer, presnap or post snap, so what makes us think he'd throw hot?

So going back to my example earlier, where if a QB audibles to 4 Verticals when the defense is playing with a bunch of deep zone defenders, is that a bad play design or a bad play call? It's a bad play call.

Back to the play in question, who called that play? It was Brock who audibled to it. That's why it looks like a disaster of a play - because at no point did Brock consider there would be a blitzer to the right side of the OL, plus he got the coverage wrong.

JT noted how NOBODY read it hot. The play itself is insignificant. That's the literal point and what Warner called out too...and then expanded to how Kyle could make a couple tweaks and clean that up for his QB's.

Nobody is calling Kyle out here...discussing safety measures so our QB's don't get killed with no way out (or anything positive).

i watched JTO's video. he needlessly tries to unwrap that play too. i bet he made that video without hearing Purdy's explanation in the presser.

Should every single play in the 9ers playbook have a hot to the play side just in case there is a blitz against it?

Originally posted by NCommand:
JT noted how NOBODY read it hot. The play itself is insignificant. That's the literal point and what Warner called out too...and then expanded to how Kyle could make a couple tweaks and clean that up for his QB's.

Nobody is calling Kyle out here...discussing safety measures so our QB's don't get killed with no way out (or anything positive).

There is a way out. QB reads the blitz is coming and knowing what the protection is he slides away against the blitz to try and make a play.

I don't see Purdy reading there was a blitz on that play AT ALL. Wasn't just the receivers.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
JT noted how NOBODY read it hot. The play itself is insignificant. That's the literal point and what Warner called out too...and then expanded to how Kyle could make a couple tweaks and clean that up for his QB's.

Nobody is calling Kyle out here...discussing safety measures so our QB's don't get killed with no way out (or anything positive).

There is a way out. QB reads the blitz is coming and knowing what the protection is he slides away against the blitz to try and make a play.

I don't see Purdy reading there was a blitz on that play AT ALL. Wasn't just the receivers.

Appreciate the response.

According to him, the hot is to the right. Nobody saw it pre snap (but this is a continual theme that KW talked about in Week 7).

"Nobody is looking hot...Kittle? No. Juszczyk? No. Aiyuk is not getting his head around..."

His point, it didn't matter the play call. There was no hot here. He said it was a scheme issue but I'm asking if it's a coaching point?

Should they have been breaking their routes off right away to be a hot quick outlet for Brock? And why is nobody recognizing a potential blitz here esp. with Brock starting here? Like he said, you'd think this would be ironed out on the first play.

Even if Brock didn't see it initially and was totally blind to it, would he have reacted and thrown quicker seeing his receivers all go hot there?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

See above.

You left out the last 30s.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Only a matter of time before we see fans cheering for Purdy.

Kolohe with the crystal ball action! From April 30, 2022!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Appreciate that but that still doesn't account for pressure shown at the line (and realized). Yes, the design X was to beat an Y coverage but that's all moot if they blitz. That's why JT called it, "Not great scheme here for me." It doesn't protect the QB with a hot or outlet and he highlights how nobody pre snap saw it and there was no adjustment post snap (naturally).

Kurt covers it here too.

Naturally 2 pro QB's are coming from the angle of being protected and making life easier on them...break glass in case of emergency situations.

Our resident 49ee film guru, who knows the offense and watches it every single week…maybe listen to him

If its an explanation that a poster doesn't want to hear, they simply ignore it.

The truth is, if Purdy didn't mistakenly call the wrong audible, chances are, there wouldn't be anything to complain about here today after a 35-7 blowout of a quality conference opponent.

No need to be a dick. Nobody was talking about the play call itself vs. man or zone but the protections (for the QB) within it. Spend 3 minutes listening to the very video NY himself posted and you'd get it. You obviously didn't watch the Warner video either.

Sorry if I don't want my QB's killed.

"OMG ya'll are so sensitive. LOL"

By the way, I watched both videos. I also listened to Kyle's conference call. I even took the time to read thl's explanation as well.

Tell me the premise of JT's point then. WHY did he not like it?

Here is the transcript. You see where he says that the bucs brought more pass rushers than the O line can block? Purdy audibled into the wrong play and the RB shifted out of the backfield. JT has no idea that Purdy audibled into the wrong play. How would he, you, I or anyone know what the right audible or playcall was? And how would any of us know that the right call didn't have a hot or an extra blocker left into block?

See above.

I just read it. Even if one of the receivers to the right runs a hot, Purdy was still oblivious to the free rusher. So what difference would it have made? The QB needs to be the one to see it and make the change or else it makes no difference in the end result.