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Jul 3, 2023 at 8:29 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


This is a GREAT example of why I can't stand the argument that it's "Kyle's system" as the reason for the QB's success. Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens were not nearly as good at this as Jimmy and now Purdy (who's even better than Jimmy). So many details like this that you just can't see watching the sideline view on game day.

Yes, sir! Kyle has a great system and players benefit from playing in it, but you still have to add to it and play at a very high level. We scored 30+ with Purdy for a reason. It was essentially Kyles offense being Maximized.

it's part of why I don't understand some folks drooling over physical tools, you know? I understand that having a strong arm and fast legs does add an element to the position but it's not a material change unless you're fast like Lamar jackson. To play QB at the highest level - it requires a keen mental understanding of the game and instincts.

I agree 100%. Honestly at a certain point I think if the physical tools become TOO good, it takes away from a QB's development over time. If in high school and college they are simply physically dominant over their competition, how much are they actually learning these nuances of playing QB? Likely not much. Now this isn't to say that there is a lower limit for physical tools as well, of course there is. But clearly Purdy is beyond that.

The mental aspect is also a physical tool. You are born with minds like Mahomes which so naturally see and react so quickly.

So far Brock looks like he has that "presence of mind" which Steve Young talked about, which Mahomes and other great ones have. Yeah, the arm limits him a little bit, but he's really good on intermediate passes, which are 90% of the NFL's deep game. Those 15-25 yard digs are a lot more important than streaks and deep posts.

How is the mental aspect "physical?" There is literally nothing physical about it.

You realize brains are made out of chemicals right? But if that's not enough for you, reflexes are mental, and yet they have a clear physical manifestation on the field.

EDIT: We clearly need more clarity here. The usual context about "physical" traits is that they are what someone is born with and can't appreciably be changed. There are some "mental" traits that fit that description.

Then EVERY trait is "physical." But I think we all understand the difference between physical tools vs. mental tools as it relates to playing QB.

I understand what he is saying but I wouldn't classify it that way. When I say physical, I mean tangible. Outside of physically touching the brain lol, the mind is intangible. So I don't classify it as physically. It's mentally.

i get that part of your mind is just natural, you're born a certain way and see the world a certain way. But not all of it is that way. Some things can be worked on mentally.

idk if what I'm saying makes sense. Hahaba

all I know is that I love everything about Brock, so far. I'm very excited to see how he does this year. I'm very glad he's healing up as well as possible. Let's hope we have an injury free year! Hahah please lord
Jul 3, 2023 at 8:39 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
So you think that Jimmy, who threw the ball all over the field when he first arrived in 2017, suddenly became very conservative as he learned the offense? The same Jimmy who was pissed off and playing for a contract last year - who then went and threw the ball more aggressively and further down the field (and for better results). Your thesis is that Kyle had nothing to do with that and it was "all on Jimmy?"

Sorry, that's not how football works. The coach doesn't just call the plays and then sit back and hope for the best. Coaches are constantly telling QB's (and all players) what to look for, anticipate, what to do if ____ happens, etc. It is very clear that Kyle is a controlling coach and with a nice/quite/people pleaser type personality at QB - Kyle's "say" is going to dominate. So it took a QB with the balls/moxie like Purdy to know when to tell Kyle to sit down and shut up.

After the ACL Jimmy lost confidence then after the superbowl he lost even more confidence. Kyle wanted Matt Ryan in Atlanta. He didn't change his whole attacking style all of the sudden.

Purdy and Kyle match because Purdy is more aggressive and confident.
Jul 3, 2023 at 9:07 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Brock checks all the boxes

1.✅
2.✅
3.✅
4.✅
5.✅


I would add a 6th. Air yards. Otherwise a good list.

Brock Purdy's completed air yards per attempt was higher than Patrick Mahomes' last year.

I don't know how many times I have to explain this. A 2 yard screen that goes 80 yards is not the same as a streak thrown 30 yards that goes for 80 yards. One is a greater difficulty than the other. The utility of completed air yards per attempt is to determine how much credit the QB should get for the distance the ball travels. Intended air yards means little, because if its not complete, who cares. But completed air yards tells you a lot about how your team is attacking the defense, and how much ground the defense has to defend. Brock's completed air yards per attempt would have been just outside the top ten, meaning we were both controlling the ball with the pass AND a threat down field, which is obviously ideal.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Great info though, hopefully those who are "cautious" about Purdy will read this.

It seems more like you're salty that Jimmy was almost always bad at completed air yards per attempt, and mistakenly believed that it didn't matter. And now that Purdy shows you what happens when your QB can pick up an extra half yard or more of air yards per completion (10 points more per game, for example). It's a little thing per play, but it leads to more first downs and ultimately more points. Being elite at pushing the ball down the field is NOT necessary. But not being afraid to throw past the sticks on third down IS.

In a nutshell.

These 2 players couldn't be any more different.
Jul 3, 2023 at 9:10 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Brock checks all the boxes

1.✅
2.✅
3.✅
4.✅
5.✅


I would add a 6th. Air yards. Otherwise a good list.

Brock Purdy's completed air yards per attempt was higher than Patrick Mahomes' last year.

I don't know how many times I have to explain this. A 2 yard screen that goes 80 yards is not the same as a streak thrown 30 yards that goes for 80 yards. One is a greater difficulty than the other. The utility of completed air yards per attempt is to determine how much credit the QB should get for the distance the ball travels. Intended air yards means little, because if its not complete, who cares. But completed air yards tells you a lot about how your team is attacking the defense, and how much ground the defense has to defend. Brock's completed air yards per attempt would have been just outside the top ten, meaning we were both controlling the ball with the pass AND a threat down field, which is obviously ideal.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Great info though, hopefully those who are "cautious" about Purdy will read this.

It seems more like you're salty that Jimmy was almost always bad at completed air yards per attempt, and mistakenly believed that it didn't matter. And now that Purdy shows you what happens when your QB can pick up an extra half yard or more of air yards per completion (10 points more per game, for example). It's a little thing per play, but it leads to more first downs and ultimately more points. Being elite at pushing the ball down the field is NOT necessary. But not being afraid to throw past the sticks on third down IS.

Not salty about Jimmy at all. Purdy showed me that indeed WAS Jimmy who was holding the offense back. Well, a combination of Kyle/Jimmy, but it was still being held back nonetheless. Purdy and Kyle/Purdy have simply taken this offense to another level.
thanks for noticing it was you who was in denial

Amazing. Several years late but I accept Furlow's apology nonetheless.
[ Edited by random49er on Jul 3, 2023 at 9:25 PM ]
Jul 3, 2023 at 9:13 PM
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Except it wasn't just the QB. The entire team starts off slow and we've had crucial injuries ....

We've petitioned to change the rules to 2-hand touch or flag football to absolve the injury criticism from fans, but just looking @ points off of drives of 20 yards or more last year, we had out of the gates:

2022:
Bears: 13
Seattle 7
Denver 9

Only 1 of the 3 ended up in double digits to start off, and even with that, it was only 13.

The top scoring defense in the league (us again?) for the year was @ 17ppg.

So can someone explain to me how "the entire team" started off slow last year?

Try watching the games.
Almost…. ALMOST matches your condescending comments on every post you make..

I'll try watching the games.

Can you try responding to the question? How was that the entire team starting off slow? The average ppg given up the first 3 games was better than the league's #1 average, which was also us.

How is that a slow start? Anything football-related to add?
Jul 3, 2023 at 11:19 PM

arm looks more than good enough
Jul 4, 2023 at 9:15 AM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

arm looks more than good enough

I remember watching This live and thought it was picked. Lol still don't know how that was completed. Feels like a glitch in madden or something
Jul 4, 2023 at 12:46 PM
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Brock checks all the boxes

1.✅
2.✅
3.✅
4.✅
5.✅


I would add a 6th. Air yards. Otherwise a good list.

Brock Purdy's completed air yards per attempt was higher than Patrick Mahomes' last year.

I don't know how many times I have to explain this. A 2 yard screen that goes 80 yards is not the same as a streak thrown 30 yards that goes for 80 yards. One is a greater difficulty than the other. The utility of completed air yards per attempt is to determine how much credit the QB should get for the distance the ball travels. Intended air yards means little, because if its not complete, who cares. But completed air yards tells you a lot about how your team is attacking the defense, and how much ground the defense has to defend. Brock's completed air yards per attempt would have been just outside the top ten, meaning we were both controlling the ball with the pass AND a threat down field, which is obviously ideal.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Great info though, hopefully those who are "cautious" about Purdy will read this.

It seems more like you're salty that Jimmy was almost always bad at completed air yards per attempt, and mistakenly believed that it didn't matter. And now that Purdy shows you what happens when your QB can pick up an extra half yard or more of air yards per completion (10 points more per game, for example). It's a little thing per play, but it leads to more first downs and ultimately more points. Being elite at pushing the ball down the field is NOT necessary. But not being afraid to throw past the sticks on third down IS.

Not salty about Jimmy at all. Purdy showed me that indeed WAS Jimmy who was holding the offense back. Well, a combination of Kyle/Jimmy, but it was still being held back nonetheless. Purdy and Kyle/Purdy have simply taken this offense to another level.
thanks for noticing it was you who was in denial

Amazing. Several years late but I accept Furlow's apology nonetheless.

Not apologizing for a damn thing. And you have been wrong so many times it's impossible to count; even broken clocks are right twice a day. You of all people should not be taking credit for this lol.
Jul 4, 2023 at 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

arm looks more than good enough

I remember watching This live and thought it was picked. Lol still don't know how that was completed. Feels like a glitch in madden or something

If you watch the end zone view, he's again manipulating the LB with his eyes, but has his feet planted in a different direction - pointed to where he's throwing. He has such a great feel for the nuance of the position.
Jul 4, 2023 at 1:52 PM
The manipulating defenders with eyes is one of his elite traits everyone has mentioned, from Fred Warner to people on this board... and he's been able to fit the ball in spaces like this.

However, as teams got more film on him, things changed up a bit. If you watch the Dallas game, Dallas D was clearly instructed to not read the QB eyes but stay with the play. They almost blew up a Deebo screen in the beginning where Purdy wisely took a sack, and basically just stayed on their men the entire game.

Going to be fascinating to see how this translates into a second year when teams know a lot of Purdy's game is built on defender manipulation and fakes
Jul 4, 2023 at 3:03 PM
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
The manipulating defenders with eyes is one of his elite traits everyone has mentioned, from Fred Warner to people on this board... and he's been able to fit the ball in spaces like this.

However, as teams got more film on him, things changed up a bit. If you watch the Dallas game, Dallas D was clearly instructed to not read the QB eyes but stay with the play. They almost blew up a Deebo screen in the beginning where Purdy wisely took a sack, and basically just stayed on their men the entire game.

Going to be fascinating to see how this translates into a second year when teams know a lot of Purdy's game is built on defender manipulation and fakes

Interesting, yeah he will have to work on his tips and tricks. Cause if you're not looking at his eyes and following his body language - you can get a much better idea of where he is going to throw the ball.

but in football, if he can make you hesitate for just a split second - that's all you need. A top end QB just needs a small window to complete a pass. QBs that need a guy to be wide open to complete it, are usually limited. So I'm eager to see if brock can keep that up, which I think he will because he did it throughout college too.

when I watch QBs college tape, I always pay attention to how many passes they make in tight windows. I don't think Lance had one tight window touchdown pass in college, maybe he did, but I haven't seen them. Those QBs usually struggle with accuracy at this level. They can get better but it takes s lot of time. It was a concern I had with fields too. Almost all of his passes where wide open, made me cautious with how accurate he would be.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Jul 4, 2023 at 3:05 PM ]
Jul 4, 2023 at 3:21 PM
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
The manipulating defenders with eyes is one of his elite traits everyone has mentioned, from Fred Warner to people on this board... and he's been able to fit the ball in spaces like this.

However, as teams got more film on him, things changed up a bit. If you watch the Dallas game, Dallas D was clearly instructed to not read the QB eyes but stay with the play. They almost blew up a Deebo screen in the beginning where Purdy wisely took a sack, and basically just stayed on their men the entire game.

Going to be fascinating to see how this translates into a second year when teams know a lot of Purdy's game is built on defender manipulation and fakes

Zone defenders don't have a choice really. It's either follow the QB's eyes or cheat. They might be able to dissect play designs based on blocking scheme and certain route combos, but Kyle is elite at masking plays and not giving it away.

The other option is to play man to man, and then good luck stopping the run.
Jul 4, 2023 at 3:31 PM
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
The manipulating defenders with eyes is one of his elite traits everyone has mentioned, from Fred Warner to people on this board... and he's been able to fit the ball in spaces like this.

However, as teams got more film on him, things changed up a bit. If you watch the Dallas game, Dallas D was clearly instructed to not read the QB eyes but stay with the play. They almost blew up a Deebo screen in the beginning where Purdy wisely took a sack, and basically just stayed on their men the entire game.

Going to be fascinating to see how this translates into a second year when teams know a lot of Purdy's game is built on defender manipulation and fakes

Purdy's double fake pass to Kittle in Seattle was a thing of beauty, Purdy could very well be a franchise QB, I think this year we need to figure out who it is, Trey or Brock this year, no more QB controversy, I'm so sick of it, I'm tired of hearing we're contenders, but who's the QB, national media is the worst, I get PHI has Jalen Hurts, Mahomes in KC, Burrow in CIN, Allen in BUF, so on and so forth, so sick of it.

Also hate this national media not talking Nick Bosa's extension talks, always about the QBs(Burrow & Herbert), ehh need to stop watching ESPN so much, but nothing good on right now, waiting eagerly for camp to begin.
Jul 4, 2023 at 3:39 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

arm looks more than good enough

I remember watching This live and thought it was picked. Lol still don't know how that was completed. Feels like a glitch in madden or something
Lol yeah it's incredible how he squeezed that in there. I'm sure it's not the first time for BCB
[ Edited by Bay2Bay9erAllday on Jul 4, 2023 at 3:40 PM ]
Jul 4, 2023 at 4:29 PM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

arm looks more than good enough

I remember watching This live and thought it was picked. Lol still don't know how that was completed. Feels like a glitch in madden or something
Lol yeah it's incredible how he squeezed that in there. I'm sure it's not the first time for BCB

Anytime Brock is having a down day, all he has to do is read about himself on here. Hahaha
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