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Jul 3, 2023 at 12:01 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Only a boon in my opinion that he's not getting molded by shanahan in the off-season the way traditionally his QBs in the past have.

The more of the playbook and longer Kyle gets to work with them the worse they get if past is any indication.

They play brilliant with a limited playbook and then the more they get thrown into it the worse they get.

Just my opinion and I'm a shanahan hater so take that for what it's worth.

Purdy will be solid. His improvisation is what makes him so great. It's not kyles 1st and second reads getting us to 30 points a game. It's purdy scrambling and making first downs and bombs to the third or fourth read. Bailing out of trouble and throwing dimes with rushers in his face.

This bold is only true with jimmy. Lol with Schaub in Houston he got better. With Ryan's he did in Atl. Before jimmy, Kyle had a track record of QBs having MVP caliber seasons in year 2 of his system.

so I'm hoping he does that with Brock.
Kyle has gotten the most out of every QB, period

I can't believe there are Kyle haters.. probably the best thing that happened for the 49ers in a very long time

Yeah, I love having him as our coach. I think he does a great job with the offense, leading the overall team, creating a great culture, hiring awesome assistant coaches etc.

the only thing I think he sucks at is identifying who we should draft - regardless of the position. Lmao I feel like a majority of our 1-3 round picks that were misses are guys he fell in love with.

You mean trading up for Beathard and Petis lol. I will say though this tandem of Lynch and Shanahan have built an amazing roster. Changed the way I see drafts. I always check out the 5th rounders for stars. Hoping Jaylon Moore explodes this year haha.
no way we can have the team we have if the Org sucks at drafting

Well I think our scouting dept does a great job. Lol I just think Kyle butts in sometimes and overrules scouts.

They've done a great job building and maintaining this team, I think they've gotten better The longer they've been here. I was saying kyle specifically, not anyone else. Lol I also don't know if Kyle really does that, I'm just speculating.
so kyle only picks bust and the scouts pick all the stars ?

Lol, they all deserve the credit or criticism

Lol kyle can pick busts - like Joe Williams, Hurd, potentially Lance, etc. all of our biggest misses are within the first three rounds. We've only hit on one 3rd round pick out of 12. Lol we've hit on essentially 2 first round picks (Aiyuk & Bosa - a blind monkey would have picked bosa). Outside of deebo, I can't think of any one else we hit on in the second. There may be some more.

meanwhile the scouting dept can have misses within their choices but still do a great job. The mid to late round picks we've had become stars or contributors is a credit to the scouting dept, where it takes real homework to find those guys. Kyle wasn't even part of scouting Purdy.

so yes, Kyle can suck at identifying who to draft and the scouting dept does a great job. Lol hence, it's their job. The best player kyles ever wanted and got was Kirk Cousins.

life isn't black and white. All of the above can be true. No need to say asinine things like "so they get all or none".
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Jul 3, 2023 at 12:05 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Only a boon in my opinion that he's not getting molded by shanahan in the off-season the way traditionally his QBs in the past have.

The more of the playbook and longer Kyle gets to work with them the worse they get if past is any indication.

They play brilliant with a limited playbook and then the more they get thrown into it the worse they get.

Just my opinion and I'm a shanahan hater so take that for what it's worth.

Purdy will be solid. His improvisation is what makes him so great. It's not kyles 1st and second reads getting us to 30 points a game. It's purdy scrambling and making first downs and bombs to the third or fourth read. Bailing out of trouble and throwing dimes with rushers in his face.

This bold is only true with jimmy. Lol with Schaub in Houston he got better. With Ryan's he did in Atl. Before jimmy, Kyle had a track record of QBs having MVP caliber seasons in year 2 of his system.

so I'm hoping he does that with Brock.
Kyle has gotten the most out of every QB, period

I can't believe there are Kyle haters.. probably the best thing that happened for the 49ers in a very long time

Yeah, I love having him as our coach. I think he does a great job with the offense, leading the overall team, creating a great culture, hiring awesome assistant coaches etc.

the only thing I think he sucks at is identifying who we should draft - regardless of the position. Lmao I feel like a majority of our 1-3 round picks that were misses are guys he fell in love with.

You mean trading up for Beathard and Petis lol. I will say though this tandem of Lynch and Shanahan have built an amazing roster. Changed the way I see drafts. I always check out the 5th rounders for stars. Hoping Jaylon Moore explodes this year haha.
no way we can have the team we have if the Org sucks at drafting

Well I think our scouting dept does a great job. Lol I just think Kyle butts in sometimes and overrules scouts.

They've done a great job building and maintaining this team, I think they've gotten better The longer they've been here. I was saying kyle specifically, not anyone else. Lol I also don't know if Kyle really does that, I'm just speculating.
so kyle only picks bust and the scouts pick all the stars ?

Lol, they all deserve the credit or criticism

Lol kyle can pick busts - like Joe Williams, Hurd, potentially Lance, etc. all of our biggest misses are within the first three rounds. We've only hit on one 3rd round pick out of 12. Lol we've hit on essentially 2 first round picks (Aiyuk & Bosa - a blind monkey would have picked bosa). Outside of deebo, I can't think of any one else we hit on in the second. There may be some more.

meanwhile the scouting dept can have misses within their choices but still do a great job. The mid to late round picks we've had become stars or contributors is a credit to the scouting dept, where it takes real homework to find those guys. Kyle wasn't even part of scouting Purdy.

so yes, Kyle can suck at identifying who to draft and the scouting dept does a great job. Lol hence, it's their job. The best player kyles ever wanted and got was Kirk Cousins.

life isn't black and white. All of the above can be true. No need to say asinine things like "so they get all or none".

I suspect tankle is correct, the first few round whiffs stand out like a sore thumb, natural to suspect these are the KS picks, as we know JL defers to KS, on the O guys. KS on the phone call to Moody was basically gritting thru his teeth, saying welp we took you instead of a 3rd round RB (he wanted the 3rd round RB, maybe got overruled after Sermon and TDP).
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:09 PM

Jul 3, 2023 at 12:12 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I suspect tankle is correct, the first few round whiffs stand out like a sore thumb, natural to suspect these are the KS picks, as we know JL defers to KS, on the O guys. KS on the phone call to Moody was basically gritting thru his teeth, saying welp we took you instead of a 3rd round RB (he wanted the 3rd round RB, maybe got overruled after Sermon and TDP).

Have you followed the Anthony Richardson pick in Indy? Apparently he's had a rough off season. I always thought he will be a bust. It's wayyy too early to tell but I think his rookie year is going to be hideous. I project he will have maybe 10 touchdowns and 20+ picks.
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


That's awesome. These are the kind of things that are super important to playing QB at a very high level. Brock wasn't just out there running plays and hitting wide open receivers. He was helping them get open with these like this. I'm excited because he had a lot of other things he can still improve upon, i cant wait to watch him when he comes back.
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


This is a GREAT example of why I can't stand the argument that it's "Kyle's system" as the reason for the QB's success. Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens were not nearly as good at this as Jimmy and now Purdy (who's even better than Jimmy). So many details like this that you just can't see watching the sideline view on game day.
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:45 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

All that does is prove he hasn't reached his ceiling.
or if he continues to do that, his ceiling has been met

Given that he's a rookie, and this is a rookie mistake, it's more likely that he has more to learn.
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


This is a GREAT example of why I can't stand the argument that it's "Kyle's system" as the reason for the QB's success. Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens were not nearly as good at this as Jimmy and now Purdy (who's even better than Jimmy). So many details like this that you just can't see watching the sideline view on game day.

Yes, sir! Kyle has a great system and players benefit from playing in it, but you still have to add to it and play at a very high level. We scored 30+ with Purdy for a reason. It was essentially Kyles offense being Maximized.

it's part of why I don't understand some folks drooling over physical tools, you know? I understand that having a strong arm and fast legs does add an element to the position but it's not a material change unless you're fast like Lamar jackson. To play QB at the highest level - it requires a keen mental understanding of the game and instincts.
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:50 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


That's awesome. These are the kind of things that are super important to playing QB at a very high level. Brock wasn't just out there running plays and hitting wide open receivers. He was helping them get open with these like this. I'm excited because he had a lot of other things he can still improve upon, i cant wait to watch him when he comes back.

These are part of what we call "It," which of course, he seems to have.
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:50 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

All that does is prove he hasn't reached his ceiling.
or if he continues to do that, his ceiling has been met

Given that he's a rookie, and this is a rookie mistake, it's more likely that he has more to learn.

When I see stuff like this, it makes me happy, because if this is what he needs to improve upon, we are in great hands. It's very doable.

it's not like he's struggling reading defenses, inaccurate, confused, can't get the play off on time, etc. he just needs some more experience to get that timing stuff down and playing defenses.
Jul 3, 2023 at 12:59 PM
I just want this guy to come back healthy so bad. I hope and pray for him regularly. I want to see him prove it. I want to see him continue to play well even after teams have tape and an off-season to study him. This guy is the closest thing we've had to potentially having a FQB since Steve Young.
Jul 3, 2023 at 1:00 PM
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


This is a GREAT example of why I can't stand the argument that it's "Kyle's system" as the reason for the QB's success. Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens were not nearly as good at this as Jimmy and now Purdy (who's even better than Jimmy). So many details like this that you just can't see watching the sideline view on game day.

Yes, sir! Kyle has a great system and players benefit from playing in it, but you still have to add to it and play at a very high level. We scored 30+ with Purdy for a reason. It was essentially Kyles offense being Maximized.

it's part of why I don't understand some folks drooling over physical tools, you know? I understand that having a strong arm and fast legs does add an element to the position but it's not a material change unless you're fast like Lamar jackson. To play QB at the highest level - it requires a keen mental understanding of the game and instincts.

I agree 100%. Honestly at a certain point I think if the physical tools become TOO good, it takes away from a QB's development over time. If in high school and college they are simply physically dominant over their competition, how much are they actually learning these nuances of playing QB? Likely not much. Now this isn't to say that there is a lower limit for physical tools as well, of course there is. But clearly Purdy is beyond that.
Jul 3, 2023 at 1:03 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I suspect tankle is correct, the first few round whiffs stand out like a sore thumb, natural to suspect these are the KS picks, as we know JL defers to KS, on the O guys. KS on the phone call to Moody was basically gritting thru his teeth, saying welp we took you instead of a 3rd round RB (he wanted the 3rd round RB, maybe got overruled after Sermon and TDP).

Have you followed the Anthony Richardson pick in Indy? Apparently he's had a rough off season. I always thought he will be a bust. It's wayyy too early to tell but I think his rookie year is going to be hideous. I project he will have maybe 10 touchdowns and 20+ picks.

I like A-Rich, and I do see the boom / bust aspect. Martz had a breakdown, and said he needs a lot of 7 on 7 work. That improves processing pre snap, and during live action. He wasn't asked to do a lot of that at Florida, as he was mostly play action with 1 or 2 reads, and the option to run if the pass wasn't on. I think he's enough of an athlete, that they can use his legs, to breakdown teams, kinda like how Fields has done. If you establish yourself as a run threat, you alter how the D plays, and it can open up the pass game. I'll be watching him for sure. To your projection, I would hope Minshew plays, if he's not ready. Minshew is a good bridge option, and has a history with that HC. Brock could probably teach A-Rich a thing or two, that's for sure.
Jul 3, 2023 at 1:05 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


This is a GREAT example of why I can't stand the argument that it's "Kyle's system" as the reason for the QB's success. Beathard, Hoyer, Mullens were not nearly as good at this as Jimmy and now Purdy (who's even better than Jimmy). So many details like this that you just can't see watching the sideline view on game day.

Yes, sir! Kyle has a great system and players benefit from playing in it, but you still have to add to it and play at a very high level. We scored 30+ with Purdy for a reason. It was essentially Kyles offense being Maximized.

it's part of why I don't understand some folks drooling over physical tools, you know? I understand that having a strong arm and fast legs does add an element to the position but it's not a material change unless you're fast like Lamar jackson. To play QB at the highest level - it requires a keen mental understanding of the game and instincts.

I agree 100%. Honestly at a certain point I think if the physical tools become TOO good, it takes away from a QB's development over time. If in high school and college they are simply physically dominant over their competition, how much are they actually learning these nuances of playing QB? Likely not much. Now this isn't to say that there is a lower limit for physical tools as well, of course there is. But clearly Purdy is beyond that.

The mental aspect is also a physical tool. You are born with minds like Mahomes which so naturally see and react so quickly.

So far Brock looks like he has that "presence of mind" which Steve Young talked about, which Mahomes and other great ones have. Yeah, the arm limits him a little bit, but he's really good on intermediate passes, which are 90% of the NFL's deep game. Those 15-25 yard digs are a lot more important than streaks and deep posts.
Jul 3, 2023 at 1:29 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Brock checks all the boxes

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I would add a 6th. Air yards. Otherwise a good list.

Brock Purdy's completed air yards per attempt was higher than Patrick Mahomes' last year.

I don't know how many times I have to explain this. A 2 yard screen that goes 80 yards is not the same as a streak thrown 30 yards that goes for 80 yards. One is a greater difficulty than the other. The utility of completed air yards per attempt is to determine how much credit the QB should get for the distance the ball travels. Intended air yards means little, because if its not complete, who cares. But completed air yards tells you a lot about how your team is attacking the defense, and how much ground the defense has to defend. Brock's completed air yards per attempt would have been just outside the top ten, meaning we were both controlling the ball with the pass AND a threat down field, which is obviously ideal.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Great info though, hopefully those who are "cautious" about Purdy will read this.

It seems more like you're salty that Jimmy was almost always bad at completed air yards per attempt, and mistakenly believed that it didn't matter. And now that Purdy shows you what happens when your QB can pick up an extra half yard or more of air yards per completion (10 points more per game, for example). It's a little thing per play, but it leads to more first downs and ultimately more points. Being elite at pushing the ball down the field is NOT necessary. But not being afraid to throw past the sticks on third down IS.
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