QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I've never been much of a fan when it comes to saying that sometbing is all the system or sometbing is all the QB. I think it takes two to tango. So you need a QB to play at a high level to run an offense at a high level. The qb also needs to be in a great system/coaching to get the most out of them.

yes, Kyle has a very QB friendly offense (outside of injures hahaha) and it's why I take issue when a QB sucks in it. I think thay says a lot about the QB.

like I think there was a huge difference in the way the team looked with Brock than jimmy and I thought Jimmy was doing a good job. Jimmie's limitations held back the offenses potential and the offense got a lot out of what Jimmy did best.

i think it takes a great combo of QB/Coach to make something work at a top tier level. I think Mahomes will do great anywhere but I think Andy Reid puts him in position to be special like he is. Takes greatness from both sides, IMO.

100 percent.

I've said this before and I think it's still true. Purdy played at a higher level than Jimmy ever has, but it still remains to be seen if Purdy is a better player than Jimmy. I think he will be. But this year will answer a lot of questions IMO.

I agree with that. Jimmy did it over a long period of time. Brock did it over a short span, so he needs to prove that it wasn't a fluke.

it's kind of along the lines when I say "Brock played at an elite level". I'm not saying he is an overall elite player but I think he played at an elite level for a short period. The example I always use is Joe Flacco. He played at an elite level for that Super Bowl run and it led them to a Super Bowl title, but I wouldn't say he was an overall elite player. It requires consistency.

Lets hope he's consistent this up coming year and continued his level of awesome play. If he does, it'll be very difficult to beat us. That and if we stay healthy.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've said this before and I think it's still true. Purdy played at a higher level than Jimmy ever has, but it still remains to be seen if Purdy is a better player than Jimmy. I think he will be. But this year will answer a lot of questions IMO.

Agreed, though I'm not even sure one full season will answer that question… outside of him playing extremely poorly or extremely well. It's probably going to be somewhere inbetween.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I'm really interested to see Purdy now that coaches have tape on him and will be studying him all off season.

Well they had tape after his first few games last year, he just kept adjusting. A defensive coordinator said it only takes like 2-3 games of tape before you can start fully planning for someone.

but I do agree that he will have to continue expanding/improving his game if he wants to continue playing at a high level. It'll be hard to take away parts of his game because we have so many quality skill players across each position. CMC, Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice and now potentially Latu/Bryant (new TEs). You can't double cover all of them, so as long as Purdy keeps making the right reads and throws, it'll be hard to stop him.

it isn't like he was running a gimmick offense and was beating everyone cause he can run fast or anything, he just was playing at a very high level. I'm optimistic that it'll be a non factor but it'll be interesting to watch. A big reason why I'm curious if he will be in camp when it starts is so he can start getting plays down and reps as much as possible before the season starts.

By now most people know it's the offense that Kyle runs more than the QB. His offense doesn't require the QB to go out nad make amazing plays all day. Just be smart accurate and don't turn the ball over. As far a Brock is concerned, the league has seen enough of him to know he's not going to beat you with a lot of deep throws or with dazzling runs. The one tendency he showed last season is the backwards and to the left side retreat when under pressure. My biggest concern is that he will try and do more than last year and force throws that get deflected and intercepted.

Ideally this is how all coaches want their offense to run, but It doesn't always happen that way. It takes good players to execute. If Kyles offense was really that great he'd have a SB after however long he's been around.

The narrative that anybody can step in and run Kyles system is at an all time high right now (mainly because he set the depth chart backwards last year lol) but real fans know only Jimmy and Brock have had more than a 2-3 game stretch of good games since Kyle has been here.

Brock has mentioned bailing clean pockets as something he needs to improve on, so it's just a matter of if he can cutback on that or not. Mahomes bails out of clean pockets more than any coach would want, but he makes it work. Nobody is perfect

I've never been much of a fan when it comes to saying that sometbing is all the system or sometbing is all the QB. I think it takes two to tango. So you need a QB to play at a high level to run an offense at a high level. The qb also needs to be in a great system/coaching to get the most out of them.

yes, Kyle has a very QB friendly offense (outside of injures hahaha) and it's why I take issue when a QB sucks in it. I think thay says a lot about the QB.

like I think there was a huge difference in the way the team looked with Brock than jimmy and I thought Jimmy was doing a good job. Jimmie's limitations held back the offenses potential and the offense got a lot out of what Jimmy did best.

i think it takes a great combo of QB/Coach to make something work at a top tier level. I think Mahomes will do great anywhere but I think Andy Reid puts him in position to be special like he is. Takes greatness from both sides, IMO.

We can say Joe was nothing and it was all Bill. Brady was called a system QB until he left NE. We can say Mahomes isn't that great because Andy makes things easy.

Truth is coaches are nothing without good players. There isn't a coach that can take bad players and just go out and win SBs with their system

I think coaching is extremely important in football. I don't think a great player can overcome bad coaching either and win it all. Look at Trevor Lawrence when he had urban Meyer, a supreme talent like that looked like absolute trash.

I agree that a great coach can't win it all, at least consistently, without great players (or a lot of very good players).

it's why I was saying I think it takes a combination. Belichick hasn't won anything since Brady but he also hasn't had high end QB play since either.

i think you need both to make great things happen. Otherwise you may just get lucky once and that's all, if that.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:

I'm really interested to see Purdy now that coaches have tape on him and will be studying him all off season.

Well they had tape after his first few games last year, he just kept adjusting. A defensive coordinator said it only takes like 2-3 games of tape before you can start fully planning for someone.

but I do agree that he will have to continue expanding/improving his game if he wants to continue playing at a high level. It'll be hard to take away parts of his game because we have so many quality skill players across each position. CMC, Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice and now potentially Latu/Bryant (new TEs). You can't double cover all of them, so as long as Purdy keeps making the right reads and throws, it'll be hard to stop him.

it isn't like he was running a gimmick offense and was beating everyone cause he can run fast or anything, he just was playing at a very high level. I'm optimistic that it'll be a non factor but it'll be interesting to watch. A big reason why I'm curious if he will be in camp when it starts is so he can start getting plays down and reps as much as possible before the season starts.

By now most people know it's the offense that Kyle runs more than the QB. His offense doesn't require the QB to go out nad make amazing plays all day. Just be smart accurate and don't turn the ball over. As far a Brock is concerned, the league has seen enough of him to know he's not going to beat you with a lot of deep throws or with dazzling runs. The one tendency he showed last season is the backwards and to the left side retreat when under pressure. My biggest concern is that he will try and do more than last year and force throws that get deflected and intercepted.

Ideally this is how all coaches want their offense to run, but It doesn't always happen that way. It takes good players to execute. If Kyles offense was really that great he'd have a SB after however long he's been around.

The narrative that anybody can step in and run Kyles system is at an all time high right now (mainly because he set the depth chart backwards last year lol) but real fans know only Jimmy and Brock have had more than a 2-3 game stretch of good games since Kyle has been here.

Brock has mentioned bailing clean pockets as something he needs to improve on, so it's just a matter of if he can cutback on that or not. Mahomes bails out of clean pockets more than any coach would want, but he makes it work. Nobody is perfect

I've never been much of a fan when it comes to saying that sometbing is all the system or sometbing is all the QB. I think it takes two to tango. So you need a QB to play at a high level to run an offense at a high level. The qb also needs to be in a great system/coaching to get the most out of them.

yes, Kyle has a very QB friendly offense (outside of injures hahaha) and it's why I take issue when a QB sucks in it. I think thay says a lot about the QB.

like I think there was a huge difference in the way the team looked with Brock than jimmy and I thought Jimmy was doing a good job. Jimmie's limitations held back the offenses potential and the offense got a lot out of what Jimmy did best.

i think it takes a great combo of QB/Coach to make something work at a top tier level. I think Mahomes will do great anywhere but I think Andy Reid puts him in position to be special like he is. Takes greatness from both sides, IMO.

We can say Joe was nothing and it was all Bill. Brady was called a system QB until he left NE. We can say Mahomes isn't that great because Andy makes things easy.

Truth is coaches are nothing without good players. There isn't a coach that can take bad players and just go out and win SBs with their system

I think coaching is extremely important in football. I don't think a great player can overcome bad coaching either and win it all. Look at Trevor Lawrence when he had urban Meyer, a supreme talent like that looked like absolute trash.

I agree that a great coach can't win it all, at least consistently, without great players (or a lot of very good players).

it's why I was saying I think it takes a combination. Belichick hasn't won anything since Brady but he also hasn't had high end QB play since either.

i think you need both to make great things happen. Otherwise you may just get lucky once and that's all, if that.

Yea Trevor was a rookie, you need a vet like a Manning or Brady that can basically run the offense themselves. You could pretty much stick any HC out there in Mannings prime and the colts would contend

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I'm really interested to see Purdy now that coaches have tape on him and will be studying him all off season.

Well they had tape after his first few games last year, he just kept adjusting. A defensive coordinator said it only takes like 2-3 games of tape before you can start fully planning for someone.

but I do agree that he will have to continue expanding/improving his game if he wants to continue playing at a high level. It'll be hard to take away parts of his game because we have so many quality skill players across each position. CMC, Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice and now potentially Latu/Bryant (new TEs). You can't double cover all of them, so as long as Purdy keeps making the right reads and throws, it'll be hard to stop him.

it isn't like he was running a gimmick offense and was beating everyone cause he can run fast or anything, he just was playing at a very high level. I'm optimistic that it'll be a non factor but it'll be interesting to watch. A big reason why I'm curious if he will be in camp when it starts is so he can start getting plays down and reps as much as possible before the season starts.

By now most people know it's the offense that Kyle runs more than the QB. His offense doesn't require the QB to go out nad make amazing plays all day. Just be smart accurate and don't turn the ball over. As far a Brock is concerned, the league has seen enough of him to know he's not going to beat you with a lot of deep throws or with dazzling runs. The one tendency he showed last season is the backwards and to the left side retreat when under pressure. My biggest concern is that he will try and do more than last year and force throws that get deflected and intercepted.

Ideally this is how all coaches want their offense to run, but It doesn't always happen that way. It takes good players to execute. If Kyles offense was really that great he'd have a SB after however long he's been around.

The narrative that anybody can step in and run Kyles system is at an all time high right now (mainly because he set the depth chart backwards last year lol) but real fans know only Jimmy and Brock have had more than a 2-3 game stretch of good games since Kyle has been here.

Brock has mentioned bailing clean pockets as something he needs to improve on, so it's just a matter of if he can cutback on that or not. Mahomes bails out of clean pockets more than any coach would want, but he makes it work. Nobody is perfect

I've never been much of a fan when it comes to saying that sometbing is all the system or sometbing is all the QB. I think it takes two to tango. So you need a QB to play at a high level to run an offense at a high level. The qb also needs to be in a great system/coaching to get the most out of them.

yes, Kyle has a very QB friendly offense (outside of injures hahaha) and it's why I take issue when a QB sucks in it. I think thay says a lot about the QB.

like I think there was a huge difference in the way the team looked with Brock than jimmy and I thought Jimmy was doing a good job. Jimmie's limitations held back the offenses potential and the offense got a lot out of what Jimmy did best.

i think it takes a great combo of QB/Coach to make something work at a top tier level. I think Mahomes will do great anywhere but I think Andy Reid puts him in position to be special like he is. Takes greatness from both sides, IMO.

No question you need the right kind of guy for your system. The word around the league is Kyle has a very QB friendly offense. Matt Ryan excelled when Kyle was the OC. He took JG who is an average talent and made him productive. When he got hurt, Nick Mullens had some success. What has Nick done since he left? Last year we saw 'Mr. Irrelevant' lead the team with 7 consecutive winning starts. He didn't do that because of his athleticism like Kap did when he came in. He was successful because he's smart and sees the field well. He was able to execute the offense that Kyle designed.

Trey is a more talented (athletically) QB but injuries have really held him back It remans to be seen if he can develop into the type of QB that works well in this system. If he ever does then it gives Kyle a player with a strong arm and the ability to run. Both traits are something he's never had with his QB. Maybe that type of QB isn't right for this system since many want to go off schedule and make plays on their own. When those work, everyone is happy but when they don't he would be in Kyle's doghouse very quickly.

So the team reports to training camp on 7/25 - which means Brock will be 2/3 of the way through rehab when camp starts.

im super curious what his arm strength will be when camp starts, like if he is 80% back and if that means he can participate in a limited capacity. Or if he misses the first 2-4 weeks of camp.

that'll be interesting to follow.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I'm really interested to see Purdy now that coaches have tape on him and will be studying him all off season.

Well they had tape after his first few games last year, he just kept adjusting. A defensive coordinator said it only takes like 2-3 games of tape before you can start fully planning for someone.

but I do agree that he will have to continue expanding/improving his game if he wants to continue playing at a high level. It'll be hard to take away parts of his game because we have so many quality skill players across each position. CMC, Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice and now potentially Latu/Bryant (new TEs). You can't double cover all of them, so as long as Purdy keeps making the right reads and throws, it'll be hard to stop him.

it isn't like he was running a gimmick offense and was beating everyone cause he can run fast or anything, he just was playing at a very high level. I'm optimistic that it'll be a non factor but it'll be interesting to watch. A big reason why I'm curious if he will be in camp when it starts is so he can start getting plays down and reps as much as possible before the season starts.

By now most people know it's the offense that Kyle runs more than the QB. His offense doesn't require the QB to go out nad make amazing plays all day. Just be smart accurate and don't turn the ball over. As far a Brock is concerned, the league has seen enough of him to know he's not going to beat you with a lot of deep throws or with dazzling runs. The one tendency he showed last season is the backwards and to the left side retreat when under pressure. My biggest concern is that he will try and do more than last year and force throws that get deflected and intercepted.

Ideally this is how all coaches want their offense to run, but It doesn't always happen that way. It takes good players to execute. If Kyles offense was really that great he'd have a SB after however long he's been around.

The narrative that anybody can step in and run Kyles system is at an all time high right now (mainly because he set the depth chart backwards last year lol) but real fans know only Jimmy and Brock have had more than a 2-3 game stretch of good games since Kyle has been here.

Brock has mentioned bailing clean pockets as something he needs to improve on, so it's just a matter of if he can cutback on that or not. Mahomes bails out of clean pockets more than any coach would want, but he makes it work. Nobody is perfect

I've never been much of a fan when it comes to saying that sometbing is all the system or sometbing is all the QB. I think it takes two to tango. So you need a QB to play at a high level to run an offense at a high level. The qb also needs to be in a great system/coaching to get the most out of them.

yes, Kyle has a very QB friendly offense (outside of injures hahaha) and it's why I take issue when a QB sucks in it. I think thay says a lot about the QB.

like I think there was a huge difference in the way the team looked with Brock than jimmy and I thought Jimmy was doing a good job. Jimmie's limitations held back the offenses potential and the offense got a lot out of what Jimmy did best.

i think it takes a great combo of QB/Coach to make something work at a top tier level. I think Mahomes will do great anywhere but I think Andy Reid puts him in position to be special like he is. Takes greatness from both sides, IMO.

No question you need the right kind of guy for your system. The word around the league is Kyle has a very QB friendly offense. Matt Ryan excelled when Kyle was the OC. He took JG who is an average talent and made him productive. When he got hurt, Nick Mullens had some success. What has Nick done since he left? Last year we saw 'Mr. Irrelevant' lead the team with 7 consecutive winning starts. He didn't do that because of his athleticism like Kap did when he came in. He was successful because he's smart and sees the field well. He was able to execute the offense that Kyle designed.

Trey is a more talented (athletically) QB but injuries have really held him back It remans to be seen if he can develop into the type of QB that works well in this system. If he ever does then it gives Kyle a player with a strong arm and the ability to run. Both traits are something he's never had with his QB. Maybe that type of QB isn't right for this system since many want to go off schedule and make plays on their own. When those work, everyone is happy but when they don't he would be in Kyle's doghouse very quickly.

Probably the best breakdown of the QB situation I've seen yet. It's crazy how dug in people are getting for either Trey or Brock. IDK if it's an overreaction to people being nervous about how they think KS will handle the situation or if they just really want to pick a side early so they can shout "I told you so" later. I was excited to see how Trey could bring a new dimension to the offense and was bummed when he got hurt again(still probably not as much as Aiyuk was). I was equally excited to watch Brock step in and seamlessly carry this offense, and again bummed when he went down. If KS thinks Brock can continue to distribute to all the weapons we have at a level high enough to win us a Super Bowl, then I'll cheer my ass off for him. But I'm also still not ready to give up on the upside that Trey could bring to this offense if everything worked out as Lynch and KS originally thought it could. I still have PTSD from facing Mahomes in the Super Bowl, and that is the effect those kind of guys have on other teams and their fan bases. Brock isn't going to instill that same fear in a team, but that isn't to say he still can't lead them all the way with this stacked team. I'm excited and nervous to see how it all plays out.

Originally posted by MTninerfan:
Probably the best breakdown of the QB situation I've seen yet. It's crazy how dug in people are getting for either Trey or Brock. IDK if it's an overreaction to people being nervous about how they think KS will handle the situation or if they just really want to pick a side early so they can shout "I told you so" later. I was excited to see how Trey could bring a new dimension to the offense and was bummed when he got hurt again(still probably not as much as Aiyuk was). I was equally excited to watch Brock step in and seamlessly carry this offense, and again bummed when he went down. If KS thinks Brock can continue to distribute to all the weapons we have at a level high enough to win us a Super Bowl, then I'll cheer my ass off for him. But I'm also still not ready to give up on the upside that Trey could bring to this offense if everything worked out as Lynch and KS originally thought it could. I still have PTSD from facing Mahomes in the Super Bowl, and that is the effect those kind of guys have on other teams and their fan bases. Brock isn't going to instill that same fear in a team, but that isn't to say he still can't lead them all the way with this stacked team. I'm excited and nervous to see how it all plays out.

We probably beat the '19 Chiefs by double digits if you drop the Brock Purdy we saw last season into that game. 20 points against that defense was just a failure. Wouldn't even have watched if someone told me that we were only going to score 20 going into the game, lol.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
No question you need the right kind of guy for your system. The word around the league is Kyle has a very QB friendly offense. Matt Ryan excelled when Kyle was the OC. He took JG who is an average talent and made him productive. When he got hurt, Nick Mullens had some success. What has Nick done since he left? Last year we saw 'Mr. Irrelevant' lead the team with 7 consecutive winning starts. He didn't do that because of his athleticism like Kap did when he came in. He was successful because he's smart and sees the field well. He was able to execute the offense that Kyle designed.

Trey is a more talented (athletically) QB but injuries have really held him back It remans to be seen if he can develop into the type of QB that works well in this system. If he ever does then it gives Kyle a player with a strong arm and the ability to run. Both traits are something he's never had with his QB. Maybe that type of QB isn't right for this system since many want to go off schedule and make plays on their own. When those work, everyone is happy but when they don't he would be in Kyle's doghouse very quickly.

Yeah, I'm not saying great coaching/system can't make players better - because it absolutely does. I just think for great coaching to reach its full potential, it needs great players and vice versa.

Football is the ultimate team sport, you need all the phases of the game to play well and insync to win it all.

i think The problem with Trey, outside of the injuries, isn't what he brings to the offense. So far, it's been what he doesn't bring - accuracy, efficiency, experience, leader of men leadership, confidence (players have commented on his confidence a lot - not that he isn't a confident guy but not the confidence a starting qb needs)etc. the offense has essentially been inept in the few games he's started and I think that's more on Lance than the system. Lance just needs a lot of experience, several of the things I've mentioned above typically come with experience from a young player - we've probably never seen a player drafted third overall with less than 500 pass attempts in his entire life. I'm not saying he will always be how he was, I certainly expect him to get better. Especially since he's healthy, but I don't think he will be a star. I think he needs a good two seasons of play before he can even be reasonably dependable (assuming he can stay healthy) - his injuries really screwed up his development because he hasn't been healthy for a single regular season game for his two years.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
We probably beat the '19 Chiefs by double digits if you drop the Brock Purdy we saw last season into that game. 20 points against that defense was just a failure. Wouldn't even have watched if someone told me that we were only going to score 20 going into the game, lol.

Idc about the points, it's just that we had control of that game for a majority of it and then completely collapsed. Everything went wrong and nothing right. Just disgusting.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idc about the points, it's just that we had control of that game for a majority of it and then completely collapsed. Everything went wrong and nothing right. Just disgusting.

The game did seemingly play out that way, but that was the Chiefs MO that postseason. Down by 10 in every game… win by 10 or more. They were going to breakthrough, it was just a matter of time. It is bitter that a potential holding call or just a stop on a 3rd and long could have changed the game for us… still think primary blame is on the offense. Defense played out of their minds almost the entire game.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I'm really interested to see Purdy now that coaches have tape on him and will be studying him all off season.

Well they had tape after his first few games last year, he just kept adjusting. A defensive coordinator said it only takes like 2-3 games of tape before you can start fully planning for someone.

but I do agree that he will have to continue expanding/improving his game if he wants to continue playing at a high level. It'll be hard to take away parts of his game because we have so many quality skill players across each position. CMC, Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Juice and now potentially Latu/Bryant (new TEs). You can't double cover all of them, so as long as Purdy keeps making the right reads and throws, it'll be hard to stop him.

it isn't like he was running a gimmick offense and was beating everyone cause he can run fast or anything, he just was playing at a very high level. I'm optimistic that it'll be a non factor but it'll be interesting to watch. A big reason why I'm curious if he will be in camp when it starts is so he can start getting plays down and reps as much as possible before the season starts.

By now most people know it's the offense that Kyle runs more than the QB. His offense doesn't require the QB to go out nad make amazing plays all day. Just be smart accurate and don't turn the ball over. As far a Brock is concerned, the league has seen enough of him to know he's not going to beat you with a lot of deep throws or with dazzling runs. The one tendency he showed last season is the backwards and to the left side retreat when under pressure. My biggest concern is that he will try and do more than last year and force throws that get deflected and intercepted.

Ideally this is how all coaches want their offense to run, but It doesn't always happen that way. It takes good players to execute. If Kyles offense was really that great he'd have a SB after however long he's been around.

The narrative that anybody can step in and run Kyles system is at an all time high right now (mainly because he set the depth chart backwards last year lol) but real fans know only Jimmy and Brock have had more than a 2-3 game stretch of good games since Kyle has been here.

Brock has mentioned bailing clean pockets as something he needs to improve on, so it's just a matter of if he can cutback on that or not. Mahomes bails out of clean pockets more than any coach would want, but he makes it work. Nobody is perfect

I've never been much of a fan when it comes to saying that sometbing is all the system or sometbing is all the QB. I think it takes two to tango. So you need a QB to play at a high level to run an offense at a high level. The qb also needs to be in a great system/coaching to get the most out of them.

yes, Kyle has a very QB friendly offense (outside of injures hahaha) and it's why I take issue when a QB sucks in it. I think thay says a lot about the QB.

like I think there was a huge difference in the way the team looked with Brock than jimmy and I thought Jimmy was doing a good job. Jimmie's limitations held back the offenses potential and the offense got a lot out of what Jimmy did best.

i think it takes a great combo of QB/Coach to make something work at a top tier level. I think Mahomes will do great anywhere but I think Andy Reid puts him in position to be special like he is. Takes greatness from both sides, IMO.

We can say Joe was nothing and it was all Bill. Brady was called a system QB until he left NE. We can say Mahomes isn't that great because Andy makes things easy.

Truth is coaches are nothing without good players. There isn't a coach that can take bad players and just go out and win SBs with their system

I think coaching is extremely important in football. I don't think a great player can overcome bad coaching either and win it all. Look at Trevor Lawrence when he had urban Meyer, a supreme talent like that looked like absolute trash.

I agree that a great coach can't win it all, at least consistently, without great players (or a lot of very good players).

it's why I was saying I think it takes a combination. Belichick hasn't won anything since Brady but he also hasn't had high end QB play since either.

i think you need both to make great things happen. Otherwise you may just get lucky once and that's all, if that.

Yea Trevor was a rookie, you need a vet like a Manning or Brady that can basically run the offense themselves. You could pretty much stick any HC out there in Mannings prime and the colts would contend

That's essentially what happened. Hahaha they were in completion for the SB the year before his neck injury and then the next year were the worst team in the league. Essentially everything same but no manning. Crazy

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idc about the points, it's just that we had control of that game for a majority of it and then completely collapsed. Everything went wrong and nothing right. Just disgusting.

The game did seemingly play out that way, but that was the Chiefs MO that postseason. Down by 10 in every game… win by 10 or more. They were going to breakthrough, it was just a matter of time. It is bitter that a potential holding call or just a stop on a 3rd and long could have changed the game for us… still think primary blame is on the offense. Defense played out of their minds almost the entire game.

Yeah, the offense didn't do enough - specifically the second half. They just needed to sustain some drives and score. Control the clock, convert downs etc.

which is what we did all season. Lol makes it even more annoying.

this type of game is exactly why I don't want a QB that can't elevate the team. We've had the same issue since harbaugh, we can only win if the entire team plays mistake free football and controls the game. If mistakes happen, which always do in the playoffs - we implode and lose. We don't have the fire power to make up for them.

which is why I'm not a fan of Lance learning how to play while the team Has to carry him. I don't think you can really compete for a SB that way and it's failed for us for the last 15 years. I don't see his learning curve being shorter than at least 2 seasons of play.

if Brock plays how he did last year, we should be the super bowl favorites and really hard to beat. And if he stays healthy. Hahaha the whole team stays healthy.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
No question you need the right kind of guy for your system. The word around the league is Kyle has a very QB friendly offense. Matt Ryan excelled when Kyle was the OC. He took JG who is an average talent and made him productive. When he got hurt, Nick Mullens had some success. What has Nick done since he left? Last year we saw 'Mr. Irrelevant' lead the team with 7 consecutive winning starts. He didn't do that because of his athleticism like Kap did when he came in. He was successful because he's smart and sees the field well. He was able to execute the offense that Kyle designed.

Trey is a more talented (athletically) QB but injuries have really held him back It remans to be seen if he can develop into the type of QB that works well in this system. If he ever does then it gives Kyle a player with a strong arm and the ability to run. Both traits are something he's never had with his QB. Maybe that type of QB isn't right for this system since many want to go off schedule and make plays on their own. When those work, everyone is happy but when they don't he would be in Kyle's doghouse very quickly.

Yeah, I'm not saying great coaching/system can't make players better - because it absolutely does. I just think for great coaching to reach its full potential, it needs great players and vice versa.

Football is the ultimate team sport, you need all the phases of the game to play well and insync to win it all.

i think The problem with Trey, outside of the injuries, isn't what he brings to the offense. So far, it's been what he doesn't bring - accuracy, efficiency, experience, leader of men leadership, confidence (players have commented on his confidence a lot - not that he isn't a confident guy but not the confidence a starting qb needs)etc. the offense has essentially been inept in the few games he's started and I think that's more on Lance than the system. Lance just needs a lot of experience, several of the things I've mentioned above typically come with experience from a young player - we've probably never seen a player drafted third overall with less than 500 pass attempts in his entire life. I'm not saying he will always be how he was, I certainly expect him to get better. Especially since he's healthy, but I don't think he will be a star. I think he needs a good two seasons of play before he can even be reasonably dependable (assuming he can stay healthy) - his injuries really screwed up his development because he hasn't been healthy for a single regular season game for his two years.

Exactly why I never liked saying this or that QB is a winner. No QB is going to win games without decent receivers and an O line that can block. A complimentary running game doesn't hurt either. Montana will always be my guy but without Walsh, Clark, Rice, Craig an all pro line and a great defense, how many games would Joe have won.

Originally posted by tankle104:
So the team reports to training camp on 7/25 - which means Brock will be 2/3 of the way through rehab when camp starts.

im super curious what his arm strength will be when camp starts, like if he is 80% back and if that means he can participate in a limited capacity. Or if he misses the first 2-4 weeks of camp.

that'll be interesting to follow.

Why does that "mean" he'll be 2/3 of the way through rehab? What if he's actually 3/4 or 4/5 of the way through rehab when training camp starts? I'm just putting out a hypothetical, there's no proof he'll be some exact measure of his rehab at the start of TC in preparation for on-field practice. It's a fool's errand to try and figure some exact margin he has left until he's all the way back. There'll be reports of certain checkpoints he's reaching of course, but they won't actually know until they know.