QB Brock Purdy Thread

Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Also, in one of my previous posts, I said I noticed that all the public statements made by Lynch and most of the coaches in particular were pretty much just typical cordial in nature: "Getting to know Trey and watching his film from previous years, I see a lot of improvement in his overall mechanics," passing game specialist Klint Kubiak said. "What stands out is his footwork. And I think that's stuff that (quarterbacks coach) Brian (Griese) and (assistant quarterbacks coach) Klay (Kubiak) definitely have worked on. He just seems really comfortable with what you're asking him to do. I love how his feet have progressed at this point of his career." If you will really read it between the lines, these are typical development and progression things which I'm pretty sure every QB in the NFL should be already at this level or even passed this level of development. It's like all they're saying are just bunch of fancy words but really there's nothing special or something that get your attention to it. On the other hand, John Lynch specifically mentioned Brock Purdy is the leader of this team. That right there tells us everything.

There something to be said for not rocking the boat either. If either one of them starts to become a diva and demanding anything I think the leash becomes shorter.

Jimmy and hoyer got nice long leashes whereas you see guys like wilson on the jets gets pulled quick for poisoning the team.

So far we have not had to deal with any of that thankfully. If your a nice guy it tends to make this whole QB situation a lot more tenable for everyone while things get shaken out naturally.

If purdy starts to struggle and if he gets vocal then maybe they give lance or darnold a shot. I think that and physical deficiency are the only ways you see one of the other two before halfway even if the teams sucking.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Honestly if we didn't have cap ramifications, and Purdy turns out to be Him, his contract is so low I'd be salivating to trade Lance and Darnold and buy some top tier defenders.

But then reality sets in and I remember that you need more than one good QB or you're going to end up like the 49ers almost every year since 2018. Smh.

It's too bad. However we have Purdy for two more years beyond this season at a chump change contract, and if Trey doesn't show up, there's no reason to keep him at the escalating salary he'll have next year. So we should have a lot more space at that position. Unfortunately, we'll be giving that to Bosa.

Or Trey will make himself valuable and we'll keep him at least for the duration of his contract, but either way it's still less than what most teams are spending on QB.

But if Purdy is the guy, do we really need to spend 10 million on a back up QB? This year, you want Lance and Darnold. It's too late to get some veteran and train him, and there's still a chance Lance (or Darnold) will ascend. But next year, if that doesn't happen, it's time to move on. Assuming Purdy is the guy.

This isn't going to be something most people will like me saying, but I still believe there is a solid chance Trey gets traded. I'm not saying I want him to, I'm just saying business wise - it can make a lot of sense. Just requires some unknown variables to be figured out.

the sam darnold signing has always been strange to me. I know we've had a ton of injuries these last 5-6 years or so, but that's not normal. It's been horrible luck.

i think the plan is currently 1 of 2 things and it all depends on what someone offers for Trey. I think if we get a good offer, we take it. Roll into the season with Purdy, Darnold, & Allen. I think the fact that they're even giving darnold first team reps speaks a lot to that - he obviously wasn't brought in to be just QB3. If we don't get the offer, I think we roll into the season with all three and let the dominos fall how they fall.

I personally don't really care which direction we go in. I'll be bummed if anyone gets hurt. If we keep him, great. If we don't, great.

treys been getting a ton of positive publicity recentky and looks much improved. So I could see a team trading for him. It'll just depend on the offer.

i also don't buy that crap "we will trade anyone for the right price". That's just non sense. Lol we won't trade deebo, Aiyuk, CMC, Bosa, Warner, Williams, Purdy, Armstead, Huff, etc. we won't trade players who we believe are future cornerstones of the organization.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"And I think the biggest thing that people need to understand here is that what is being placed in the arms was to kind of pull that ligament back together to put things in place is basically made of collagen," Wagoner said. "It's a collagen tape, but it's very strong and the way [Dr. Jeff Dugas] explained it to me is that it's almost like Kevlar and it eventually dissolves. So when the ligament actually heals, that thing goes away and basically you're just kind of back to normal as opposed to putting a graft in like you do with Tommy John surgery."

Idk if anyone else was wondering this, but I was curious if the brace stays in the arm and if that benefits the ligament at all. So it turns out that as the ligament heals, the brace dissolves. Very interesting. I didn't know that

Just doing a bit of research on Collagen, apparently it can repair and - so it seems - strengthen the ligaments and joints. If Purdy's ligaments not only get repaired but grow stronger because of it, I would think that's a great positive result from a negative injury.

1. Collagen is the building block of the body
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2. Collagen stimulates cartilage growth
Cartilage is a firm, rubbery material that covers the end of bones in joints. Over time, cartilage wear off due to ageing and repeated movement. As a result, tendons and ligaments stretch, and bones rub against each other, causing pain. Collagen provides support for the growth and repair of cartilage tissue, as well as relieve joint inflammation and pain. Boost collagen intake for your body, so you can sustain an active lifestyle and achieve your fitness goals.
https://www.brandsworld.com.my/en/article-listing/4-surprising-benefits-of-collagen-for-joint-and-bone-health.html

It may be a reason that some players get more ligament and tendon injuries. Their body may not be producing as much collagen as needed. It could also be a reason some players heal faster.

Appreciate you adding onto my post, Giedi. It's great info. Funny thing is that I was reading an article yesterday about a scientist who's living underwater in a capsule for 100 days and the effects it has on aging etc - it talked about how impotent Collagen is.

Makes me feel a little better about his arm once he's ready to go. Re injury is a bigger concern of mine than him not getting 100%. Sounds like he should be tip top Mcgoo though.

didn't Josh allen have an UCL injury this year? I wonder if they're making advancement that they can put one of these braces on and it'll heal better

Catchmaster and you have touched on Purdy's injury and how it can actually make him stronger in many ways vs not being injured. I'm a big advocate of *if it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger* mindset. Nobody's touched on Purdy's mental toughness and spiritual faith as an athletic attribute to his fast healing...

Several studies have shown that injured athletes with higher levels of stress, anxiety, and fear of reinjury are less likely to fully recover. In one study of ACL reconstruction patients, those with higher levels of fear were 13 times more likely to suffer a second ACL tear within two years of returning to sports than those who were less fearful.
Depression, a common experience for injured athletes, has been associated with worse patient-reported outcomes, higher levels of pain, and increased rates of post-surgical complications.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323417/

Strong scientific evidence suggests that individuals who regularly participate in spiritual worship services or related activities and who feel strongly that spirituality or the presence of a higher being or power are sources of strength and comfort to them are healthier and possess greater healing capabilities.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323417/

That's a great point. l usually worry about a players mental health when they're coming back from a serious injury, I remember jimmy seemed uncomfortable about his knee initially, but I just get such a strong sense of stability and confidence from him. I think a lot of it has to do with his strong belief in him self and his faith. Regardless of my personal beliefs, I do think someone have unquestioned confidence and belief in themselves and their faith is a very powerful thing.

i harp on my concern for lances inexperience but I'll use a great example from Purdy. After his sophomore year, the expectations on him were through the roof. Well he followed up his junior and senior year falling short, he wasn't bad, but you can see he was trying to overcompensate because he felt like had to since his team was always under talented in comparison to the rest of the big 12 (power five conference). He talked about his those experiences helped him understand himself better and How to be a better qb. That he doesn't have to do that and he can trust his teammates and trust himself.

those kind of lessons are learned through experience - the high and lows of playing qb. The good and bad of what it takes to Carry a program. Purdy has a ton of experience having to carry programs to be heights, he did it in college and highschool, that I think it's help prepare him to be the leader of a franchise much quicker than most. He also has talked about how his faith helped him through those times.

i also understand that more experience doesn't mean you'll be a great QB or automatically be better than anyone else. It is important though for the mental development side of playing qb and being the leader that he needs to be.

In my opinion, those are the things that every qb goes through eventually. I think Brock's experience has been huge for him in that regard - which I think makes him uniquely qualified to handle the pressure of leading a super bowl caliber team at such a young age.

The Bold above, I think, prevents Purdy from regressing, or more accurately will help him to progress as fast as he can. NY85 likes to point out that Purdy *could regress* and while that is a possibility, the more probable course is that he *progresses* and becomes better. That mental set above, I think prevents any sort of regression to the mean, so to speak. In the interview, he had a great mindset - just do your job and don't listen to the platitudes that people (example Kyle and John) are saying about you. That stuff can go to someone's head and next thing is - Purdy's regressing. But he's not having any of that - and that is a wise man beyond his years.

If Brock would have stayed healthy in the Eagles game, I would think his performance in the Dallas Cowboy game would have would have been a similar in the Eagles game and we would have walked away with a win and a re-match with Patrick. Those two playoff games are high pressure games that neither Trey nor Sam have and won't unless they get into the playoffs.

I really do think Purdy's a generational talent. His genius was hidden in college because of a crap offensive coordinator and some unfortunate injuries and diseases in high school preventing him from going to a perennial college football powerhouse. I'd think he'd be in the realm of Trevor Lawrence and a possible 2022 first round pick if half of the things he went through broke his way.

I 100% agree, I think he's a special talent and going to be one of the best QBs of this generation. He won't do it as sexy as someone like mahommes but I think he will do it as pretty as someone like Bree's.

he is extremely mature and wise beyond his years and I think the experience leading programs to new heights is a big part of that. He had to work extremely hard and over prepare in order to do that.

he could regress, anything can happen, but I highly doubt it and think it's very unlikely. Some are acting like he's missing everything this off season like he tore his acl or something. He's doing everything but throwing a ball - which anyone that knows how QBs get better, it's a lot of things without a ball.

im not concerned about him at all, especially since his rehab is going great.

i feel like some take it as a diss to Trey by me saying this. It's more of a credit to Brock. I'm not as high on Lance as others and don't see him as generational like some do, I see Brock more that. I think Lance will be fine but I think we found someone special. He just needs to build on what he did last year and I Hope he doesn't plateau like jimmy did.

I think Brock will continue to improve for sure. The arm looks like its getting better and better every news cycle we get. So, assuming Brock is QB1 this year, I can see a concerted effort from Kyle to get QB2 ready to step in should Brock get a ding on that arm and Purdy has to stand down a game or two. I don't really see Trey's possible QB2 status as a negative to him. As I said before, some QB's just take longer to develop (Steve Young) and Purdy will buy him that time to develop - contrary to what most folks think. Most think that because of Purdy, ShanaLynch will want to trade Lance at the first good offer. I don't think so. I think, given the 49er QB injury history, Trey will be here for the duration of his contract. The only way I see Trey being even remotely traded is if he can't beat out Sam.

One reason I think Purdy and Kyle are a great combo is simply that Purdy (in some ways) is like Kirk Cousins (passing wise) with more mobility. You can also say Purdy is like Jimmy with more mobility and elusiveness and I'd also agree with you. Having compared him to Jimmy , that isn't a negative either, keep in mind Jimmy is a 7+ year vet I'm comparing a *rookie* to. Purdy's biggest jump should be this year, and by seasons end, I think he'll be a much better QB than at the beginning of this year.

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

What about podunctial?

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

What about podunctial?

That's the Sam Darnold thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Honestly if we didn't have cap ramifications, and Purdy turns out to be Him, his contract is so low I'd be salivating to trade Lance and Darnold and buy some top tier defenders.

But then reality sets in and I remember that you need more than one good QB or you're going to end up like the 49ers almost every year since 2018. Smh.

It's too bad. However we have Purdy for two more years beyond this season at a chump change contract, and if Trey doesn't show up, there's no reason to keep him at the escalating salary he'll have next year. So we should have a lot more space at that position. Unfortunately, we'll be giving that to Bosa.

Or Trey will make himself valuable and we'll keep him at least for the duration of his contract, but either way it's still less than what most teams are spending on QB.

But if Purdy is the guy, do we really need to spend 10 million on a back up QB? This year, you want Lance and Darnold. It's too late to get some veteran and train him, and there's still a chance Lance (or Darnold) will ascend. But next year, if that doesn't happen, it's time to move on. Assuming Purdy is the guy.

This isn't going to be something most people will like me saying, but I still believe there is a solid chance Trey gets traded. I'm not saying I want him to, I'm just saying business wise - it can make a lot of sense. Just requires some unknown variables to be figured out.

the sam darnold signing has always been strange to me. I know we've had a ton of injuries these last 5-6 years or so, but that's not normal. It's been horrible luck.

i think the plan is currently 1 of 2 things and it all depends on what someone offers for Trey. I think if we get a good offer, we take it. Roll into the season with Purdy, Darnold, & Allen. I think the fact that they're even giving darnold first team reps speaks a lot to that - he obviously wasn't brought in to be just QB3. If we don't get the offer, I think we roll into the season with all three and let the dominos fall how they fall.

I personally don't really care which direction we go in. I'll be bummed if anyone gets hurt. If we keep him, great. If we don't, great.

treys been getting a ton of positive publicity recentky and looks much improved. So I could see a team trading for him. It'll just depend on the offer.

i also don't buy that crap "we will trade anyone for the right price". That's just non sense. Lol we won't trade deebo, Aiyuk, CMC, Bosa, Warner, Williams, Purdy, Armstead, Huff, etc. we won't trade players who we believe are future cornerstones of the organization.

Trey's value will obviously depend on how he performs in preseason. If he shines, could even be a number one. If not, who knows.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erF90:
It's about continuity, my friend. If he's ready, he'll start. If he's healthy, he'll play. IMO Shanahan's number priority is to continue Brock Purdy's growth and success through actual playing experience. Why change something that is going great, or something that is giving you the best productivity.

I disagree this is how Kyle is thinking…if he plays bad a couple games they aren't gonna let him develop through that. They should….but they've shown they ain't gonna let that s**t happen. He will get benched and whomever is next up will get a shot.

Why do you think this? What have we seen from Kyle to make you believe this would happen?

Trey Lance giving up 3 1sts and after 100 passing attempts and we've over him. Not playing him yr 1 because we're "trying to win a SB" even though we didn't.

What proof do you have that kyle is gonna let a young QB play through his bumps and take some loses in the processes because of it?

What makes you think any of these QBs have a long leash to play through bad play on this roster?

First of all, didn't Trey break his finger in the final preseason game in 2021? So even if Kyle wanted to run with Trey, he couldn't because of that injury. And then when they got Trey in later, didn't he hurt his knee?
So between his knee and finger, I'm "assuming" Trey wasn't able to do anything consistent in 2021.

Then in 2022, Trey got about a game and a quarter and was injured again.

So I just think a lot of this "not letting a QB play through bumps" you're saying, has a lot to do with the injuries that Kyle is dealing with, and working around with Trey.

I am saying we have no proof either way.

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

I said the same thing and posters like Charlie tried to ridicule me for not being able to say that without the IF part.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

I said the same thing and posters like Charlie tried to ridicule me for not being able to say that without the IF part.

Purdy is likely qb 1 even if he isn't healthy. Whoever starts if he isn't healthy is qb 2 until he is healthy unless they are playing better than Brock did last year. Which is very highly unlikely, but not completely impossible. Trey and Sam are likely competing for qb 2, with the opportunity to show enough to challenge for the starting spot if they play beyond the level of Brock.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

I said the same thing and posters like Charlie tried to ridicule me for not being able to say that without the IF part.

To me that is QB1. When all players are healthy, who's taking the snaps? That is QB1, Brock Purdy

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

I said the same thing and posters like Charlie tried to ridicule me for not being able to say that without the IF part.

Purdy is likely qb 1 even if he isn't healthy. Whoever starts if he isn't healthy is qb 2 until he is healthy unless they are playing better than Brock did last year. Which is very highly unlikely, but not completely impossible. Trey and Sam are likely competing for qb 2, with the opportunity to show enough to challenge for the starting spot if they play beyond the level of Brock.

I don't think they have to be better than BP last year, they just have to be playing good football, and the team is winning games.

This is known as 'ride the hot hand' and we all remember that one

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Purdy is QB1 if healthy
production > potential

I said the same thing and posters like Charlie tried to ridicule me for not being able to say that without the IF part.

Purdy is likely qb 1 even if he isn't healthy. Whoever starts if he isn't healthy is qb 2 until he is healthy unless they are playing better than Brock did last year. Which is very highly unlikely, but not completely impossible. Trey and Sam are likely competing for qb 2, with the opportunity to show enough to challenge for the starting spot if they play beyond the level of Brock.

I don't think they have to be better than BP last year, they just have to be playing good football, and the team is winning games.

This is known as 'ride the hot hand' and we all remember that one

The hot hand had our offense gaining more yards and scoring more points. The hot hand has to elevate the team, otherwise it will not be ridden

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't think they have to be better than BP last year, they just have to be playing good football, and the team is winning games.

This is known as 'ride the hot hand' and we all remember that one

It's just code for playing the better player. Harbaugh didn't stick with Kaepernick because he didn't want to break up a one game winning streak. He played him because he immediately showed he could bring things to the offense that Smith couldn't.

The same will be true this year. If Lance or Darnold start a couple games early and the team wins those games but the coaches still feel Brock is the better QB… Brock will be reinserted.

Originally posted by napo:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Honestly if we didn't have cap ramifications, and Purdy turns out to be Him, his contract is so low I'd be salivating to trade Lance and Darnold and buy some top tier defenders.

But then reality sets in and I remember that you need more than one good QB or you're going to end up like the 49ers almost every year since 2018. Smh.

It's too bad. However we have Purdy for two more years beyond this season at a chump change contract, and if Trey doesn't show up, there's no reason to keep him at the escalating salary he'll have next year. So we should have a lot more space at that position. Unfortunately, we'll be giving that to Bosa.

Or Trey will make himself valuable and we'll keep him at least for the duration of his contract, but either way it's still less than what most teams are spending on QB.

But if Purdy is the guy, do we really need to spend 10 million on a back up QB? This year, you want Lance and Darnold. It's too late to get some veteran and train him, and there's still a chance Lance (or Darnold) will ascend. But next year, if that doesn't happen, it's time to move on. Assuming Purdy is the guy.

This isn't going to be something most people will like me saying, but I still believe there is a solid chance Trey gets traded. I'm not saying I want him to, I'm just saying business wise - it can make a lot of sense. Just requires some unknown variables to be figured out.

the sam darnold signing has always been strange to me. I know we've had a ton of injuries these last 5-6 years or so, but that's not normal. It's been horrible luck.

i think the plan is currently 1 of 2 things and it all depends on what someone offers for Trey. I think if we get a good offer, we take it. Roll into the season with Purdy, Darnold, & Allen. I think the fact that they're even giving darnold first team reps speaks a lot to that - he obviously wasn't brought in to be just QB3. If we don't get the offer, I think we roll into the season with all three and let the dominos fall how they fall.

I personally don't really care which direction we go in. I'll be bummed if anyone gets hurt. If we keep him, great. If we don't, great.

treys been getting a ton of positive publicity recentky and looks much improved. So I could see a team trading for him. It'll just depend on the offer.

i also don't buy that crap "we will trade anyone for the right price". That's just non sense. Lol we won't trade deebo, Aiyuk, CMC, Bosa, Warner, Williams, Purdy, Armstead, Huff, etc. we won't trade players who we believe are future cornerstones of the organization.

Trey's value will obviously depend on how he performs in preseason. If he shines, could even be a number one. If not, who knows.

If Trey gets traded in the preseason his value is absolutely nothing. He's shown nothing, has hardly played in 4 years. No one is going to trade us anything for that.

I'm not saying that I believe he'll never amount to anything, I'm just saying his value to trade partner is near 0.