QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
I was impressed with his arm. Not in the way I am with Mahomes, Allen, or Lance, but I'm regards to qb averages. I thought it would be worse and it seemed to be on par with most. Just not elite

I was impressed because I thought it was even worse in college. It's still was nothing special. He's a QB that needs to throw with more anticipation to get it to the right spot because he doesn't have that overall arm talent.

He's never gonna be in the discussion of having some higher end arm. It's passable but he will have to rely on other things, which is fine.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
JG
96.2 passer rating
7/5 TD/INT
3.9% TD%

BP
107.3 passer rating
13/4 TD/INT
7.6 TD%

Not similar.

Now do the rosters….

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I was impressed with his arm. Not in the way I am with Mahomes, Allen, or Lance, but I'm regards to qb averages. I thought it would be worse and it seemed to be on par with most. Just not elite

I was impressed because I thought it was even worse in college. It's still was nothing special. He's a QB that needs to throw with more anticipation to get it to the right spot because he doesn't have that overall arm talent.

He's never gonna be in the discussion of having some higher end arm. It's passable but he will have to rely on other things, which is fine.

Right, but as I mentioned in a previous post - you seem to value physical traits over mental. I think that in life, in general, it's the mind that prevails over physical. Every single time.specifically when you're talking about thing such as QBs

you have to be able to see and think your way out instead of physically way your out. It's great minds that accomplish tbings. Not great bodies, most of the time.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I have never seen Jimmy play at that level. Trey has played his entire career at that level.

I am not proclaiming him anything, I just think he can play the way we have seen him play.

I would say Jimmy played at a high enough level on a vastly worse team to get one of the largest contracts in NFL history (at that time)

I would say Jimmy was playing a high enough level for 4 games this yr prior to getting injured. I already gave you his stats from those games and it was pretty on par to what Brock was doing. The team overall scored more points though.

Kap was setting the league on fire and doing s**t that most teams have never seen at time.

im not saying Brock can't continue to do what he did. I need more than a couple games to be all in like everyone else. That's all

JG
96.2 passer rating
7/5 TD/INT
3.9% TD%

BP
107.3 passer rating
13/4 TD/INT
7.6 TD%

Not similar.

Woo, while I appreciate your stats, go back and throw on the 2017 tape he's playing with clown 1-10 guys around him, not a SB squad
to go unbeaten with a cast of 1-10 guys is as impressive to me if not more impressive
and JG lifted the PPG upon his arrival

this is from wikipedia for anyone who needs a refresher
notice the ppg lift, it was like +12 ppg!

The 49ers season largely turned around after they acquired quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from the New England Patriots on October 30, 2017. At this point, the 49ers had a record of 0–8, dead last in the NFC. Garoppolo made his first start during Week 13 against the Chicago Bears and led them to a 15–14 win. Garoppolo won the final five games of the season for the 49ers, bringing the regular-season record to 6–10, the most wins by the team since the 2014 season. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers won 3 straight games over teams that eventually made the playoffs (Weeks 15–17 against the Titans, Jaguars, and Rams). From Weeks 1–12, the 49ers scored just 187 points (17 points per game), which was in the bottom half of the league. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers offense scored 144 points (28.8 points per game). The highlight of the year was during Week 16, the 49ers scored 44 points against the Jacksonville Jaguars, who had the NFL's top scoring defense at the time, allowing just 14.9 points per game. The 49ers finished the season by being the only team in the NFL to go undefeated in the month of December. The 49ers also became the first team in NFL history to start a season 0–9 and finish with more than three wins

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
so he was knocked down for a lot of stuff other than his size, that was my point, and you agree

Purdy like Howell were both regarded at one point as 1st round selections; during their college careers, with their size as a known variable
if you are knocking BPs size, you aren't getting the direction the NFL is going at all, with Murray, Mayfield, now Bryce Young all #1 overall selections

teams simply don't view 6 feet flat as a huge negative anymore, and Brees had a lot to do with that

He was absolutely knocked down for his size. It was a negative pretending it wasn't is a straight up lie.

murray has athleticism and arm talent. Mayfield had a much better arm. Young has all those other traits I just discussed. Brock did not.

and look at Murray and Mayfield currently.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

JG
96.2 passer rating
7/5 TD/INT
3.9% TD%

BP
107.3 passer rating
13/4 TD/INT
7.6 TD%

Not similar.

Now do the rosters….

Nah
I realize there is a difference but the gap is massive.

You also said Minshew accomplished as much as Brock and equated the two.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
so he was knocked down for a lot of stuff other than his size, that was my point, and you agree

Purdy like Howell were both regarded at one point as 1st round selections; during their college careers, with their size as a known variable
if you are knocking BPs size, you aren't getting the direction the NFL is going at all, with Murray, Mayfield, now Bryce Young all #1 overall selections

teams simply don't view 6 feet flat as a huge negative anymore, and Brees had a lot to do with that

He was absolutely knocked down for his size. It was a negative pretending it wasn't is a straight up lie.

murray has athleticism and arm talent. Mayfield had a much better arm. Young has all those other traits I just discussed. Brock did not.

and look at Murray and Mayfield currently.

Why didn't 5'10 get knocked down, at least some, by his size?
sure Young has some great traits, but he doesn't appear knocked down at all by his size, and he's way smaller than Brock
to me it's not a size issue, if it was a size issue, Carolina wouldn't have selected Young, they, and a lot of clubs, don't really care about QB size.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, but as I mentioned in a previous post - you seem to value physical traits over mental. I think that in life, in general, it's the mind that prevails over physical. Every single time.specifically when you're talking about thing such as QBs

you have to be able to see and think your way out instead of physically way your out. It's great minds that accomplish tbings. Not great bodies, most of the time.

No. I think you need both…we're not talking about the mental stuff right now.

Like I said you can be Colt McCoy and seen more football then anyone, understand every coverage and make the correct reads all day…it's the NFL and you're playing against the best of the best who are all elite athletes with elite skill sets. Only 32 starting QBs in the league and a good % aren't very good.

brock will have to depend on the mental stuff because he does lack in arm talent, like I said more anticipation throws and he has to be elite with the accuracy…can he do that long-term? We will see.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I have never seen Jimmy play at that level. Trey has played his entire career at that level.

I am not proclaiming him anything, I just think he can play the way we have seen him play.

I would say Jimmy played at a high enough level on a vastly worse team to get one of the largest contracts in NFL history (at that time)

I would say Jimmy was playing a high enough level for 4 games this yr prior to getting injured. I already gave you his stats from those games and it was pretty on par to what Brock was doing. The team overall scored more points though.

Kap was setting the league on fire and doing s**t that most teams have never seen at time.

im not saying Brock can't continue to do what he did. I need more than a couple games to be all in like everyone else. That's all

JG
96.2 passer rating
7/5 TD/INT
3.9% TD%

BP
107.3 passer rating
13/4 TD/INT
7.6 TD%

Not similar.

Woo, while I appreciate your stats, go back and throw on the 2017 tape he's playing with clown 1-10 guys around him, not a SB squad
to go unbeaten with a cast of 1-10 guys is as impressive to me if not more impressive
and JG lifted the PPG upon his arrival

this is from wikipedia for anyone who needs a refresher
notice the ppg lift, it was like +12 ppg!

The 49ers season largely turned around after they acquired quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from the New England Patriots on October 30, 2017. At this point, the 49ers had a record of 0–8, dead last in the NFC. Garoppolo made his first start during Week 13 against the Chicago Bears and led them to a 15–14 win. Garoppolo won the final five games of the season for the 49ers, bringing the regular-season record to 6–10, the most wins by the team since the 2014 season. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers won 3 straight games over teams that eventually made the playoffs (Weeks 15–17 against the Titans, Jaguars, and Rams). From Weeks 1–12, the 49ers scored just 187 points (17 points per game), which was in the bottom half of the league. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers offense scored 144 points (28.8 points per game). The highlight of the year was during Week 16, the 49ers scored 44 points against the Jacksonville Jaguars, who had the NFL's top scoring defense at the time, allowing just 14.9 points per game. The 49ers finished the season by being the only team in the NFL to go undefeated in the month of December. The 49ers also became the first team in NFL history to start a season 0–9 and finish with more than three wins

Similar to what we saw this year when the team went from Jimmy to Brock.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, but as I mentioned in a previous post - you seem to value physical traits over mental. I think that in life, in general, it's the mind that prevails over physical. Every single time.specifically when you're talking about thing such as QBs

you have to be able to see and think your way out instead of physically way your out. It's great minds that accomplish tbings. Not great bodies, most of the time.

No. I think you need both…we're not talking about the mental stuff right now.

Like I said you can be Colt McCoy and seen more football then anyone, understand every coverage and make the correct reads all day…it's the NFL and you're playing against the best of the best who are all elite athletes with elite skill sets. Only 32 starting QBs in the league and a good % aren't very good.

brock will have to depend on the mental stuff because he does lack in arm talent, like I said more anticipation throws and he has to be elite with the accuracy…can he do that long-term? We will see.

See I don't think colt mccoy had ALL the mental stuff. I think few QBs do. You can have experience and it won't mean anything if you don't have the proper fixings mentally.

do I think Brock has the unique mixture? Yes. Did I think Jimmy did initially, yes. Jimmy proved me wrong and I improved upon that. I want to see more of Brock before I 1000% commit to him. He showed what you want to see though in his small sample size.

What I'm saying is you can have all the physical attributes but not the mental, and you're useless/mediocre. You can have half of the mental attributes/half the physical stuff and be solid.

You can have all the great mental stuff and half the physical stuff and be an all time great. I just believe the mental stuff outweighs the physical by and large.

physical stuff only means something if you have the mental stuff right. What is the mental stuff? Who knows, no one has been able to measure it. Which makes it so hard to find.

i just think my formula is much more accurate towards a great qb than your formula. Not that you're dumb or don't know what you're talking about, just different perspectives. I like your input. It challenges me

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I have never seen Jimmy play at that level. Trey has played his entire career at that level.

I am not proclaiming him anything, I just think he can play the way we have seen him play.

I would say Jimmy played at a high enough level on a vastly worse team to get one of the largest contracts in NFL history (at that time)

I would say Jimmy was playing a high enough level for 4 games this yr prior to getting injured. I already gave you his stats from those games and it was pretty on par to what Brock was doing. The team overall scored more points though.

Kap was setting the league on fire and doing s**t that most teams have never seen at time.

im not saying Brock can't continue to do what he did. I need more than a couple games to be all in like everyone else. That's all

JG
96.2 passer rating
7/5 TD/INT
3.9% TD%

BP
107.3 passer rating
13/4 TD/INT
7.6 TD%

Not similar.

Woo, while I appreciate your stats, go back and throw on the 2017 tape he's playing with clown 1-10 guys around him, not a SB squad
to go unbeaten with a cast of 1-10 guys is as impressive to me if not more impressive
and JG lifted the PPG upon his arrival

this is from wikipedia for anyone who needs a refresher
notice the ppg lift, it was like +12 ppg!

The 49ers season largely turned around after they acquired quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from the New England Patriots on October 30, 2017. At this point, the 49ers had a record of 0–8, dead last in the NFC. Garoppolo made his first start during Week 13 against the Chicago Bears and led them to a 15–14 win. Garoppolo won the final five games of the season for the 49ers, bringing the regular-season record to 6–10, the most wins by the team since the 2014 season. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers won 3 straight games over teams that eventually made the playoffs (Weeks 15–17 against the Titans, Jaguars, and Rams). From Weeks 1–12, the 49ers scored just 187 points (17 points per game), which was in the bottom half of the league. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers offense scored 144 points (28.8 points per game). The highlight of the year was during Week 16, the 49ers scored 44 points against the Jacksonville Jaguars, who had the NFL's top scoring defense at the time, allowing just 14.9 points per game. The 49ers finished the season by being the only team in the NFL to go undefeated in the month of December. The 49ers also became the first team in NFL history to start a season 0–9 and finish with more than three wins

Similar to what we saw this year when the team went from Jimmy to Brock.

yeah I say JG in 2017 that stretch was very similar to BP in 2022

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Why didn't 5'10 get knocked down, at least some, by his size?
sure Young has some great traits, but he doesn't appear knocked down at all by his size, and he's way smaller than Brock
to me it's not a size issue, if it was a size issue, Carolina wouldn't have selected Young, they, and a lot of clubs, don't really care about QB size.

Some great traits lol? 5 star #1 recruit in the nation. Like I said elite accuracy. Dudes got manning like control of the offense. If he's 6-3 230 he's generational.

again outlier not the norm. Stop with the outlier s**t pretending that's how it always goes because in fact it doesn't and there's years of data backing it up.

Originally posted by tankle104:
See I don't think colt mccoy had ALL the mental stuff. I think few QBs do. You can have experience and it won't mean anything if you don't have the proper fixings mentally.

do I think Brock has the unique mixture? Yes. Did I think Jimmy did initially, yes. Jimmy proved me wrong and I improved upon that. I want to see more of Brock before I 1000% commit to him. He showed what you want to see though in his small sample size.

What I'm saying is you can have all the physical attributes but not the mental, and you're useless/mediocre. You can have half of the mental attributes/half the physical stuff and be solid.

You can have all the great mental stuff and half the physical stuff and be an all time great. I just believe the mental stuff outweighs the physical by and large.

physical stuff only means something if you have the mental stuff right. What is the mental stuff? Who knows, no one has been able to measure it. Which makes it so hard to find.

i just think my formula is much more accurate towards a great qb than your formula. Not that you're dumb or don't know what you're talking about, just different perspectives. I like your input. It challenges me

Why do you think he didn't? How do you think he won so many games in college? Same with Kellen moore who's now a OC in the league? Neither had good arms or elite physical traits, not even at the college level. They did however win more games than anyone in college history.

you thinking that Brock has that based off a couple games is a bit much. Where was all that in college? He had 4 yrs to show that and overall didn't. Bad reads. Accuracy wasn't great. It's not like he didn't have NFL talent or a damn good HC either.

I don't think Jimmy proved anything good or bad. He's just an avg starting level QB with not many elite traits that played on a great roster/elite play caller. As he played more the truth of what he is came out. Always does.

its f**king hard to be an elite level QB in this league. Even more so when you're margin of error is smaller than others

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I have never seen Jimmy play at that level. Trey has played his entire career at that level.

I am not proclaiming him anything, I just think he can play the way we have seen him play.

I would say Jimmy played at a high enough level on a vastly worse team to get one of the largest contracts in NFL history (at that time)

I would say Jimmy was playing a high enough level for 4 games this yr prior to getting injured. I already gave you his stats from those games and it was pretty on par to what Brock was doing. The team overall scored more points though.

Kap was setting the league on fire and doing s**t that most teams have never seen at time.

im not saying Brock can't continue to do what he did. I need more than a couple games to be all in like everyone else. That's all

JG
96.2 passer rating
7/5 TD/INT
3.9% TD%

BP
107.3 passer rating
13/4 TD/INT
7.6 TD%

Not similar.

Woo, while I appreciate your stats, go back and throw on the 2017 tape he's playing with clown 1-10 guys around him, not a SB squad
to go unbeaten with a cast of 1-10 guys is as impressive to me if not more impressive
and JG lifted the PPG upon his arrival

this is from wikipedia for anyone who needs a refresher
notice the ppg lift, it was like +12 ppg!

The 49ers season largely turned around after they acquired quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from the New England Patriots on October 30, 2017. At this point, the 49ers had a record of 0–8, dead last in the NFC. Garoppolo made his first start during Week 13 against the Chicago Bears and led them to a 15–14 win. Garoppolo won the final five games of the season for the 49ers, bringing the regular-season record to 6–10, the most wins by the team since the 2014 season. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers won 3 straight games over teams that eventually made the playoffs (Weeks 15–17 against the Titans, Jaguars, and Rams). From Weeks 1–12, the 49ers scored just 187 points (17 points per game), which was in the bottom half of the league. During the 5-game win streak, the 49ers offense scored 144 points (28.8 points per game). The highlight of the year was during Week 16, the 49ers scored 44 points against the Jacksonville Jaguars, who had the NFL's top scoring defense at the time, allowing just 14.9 points per game. The 49ers finished the season by being the only team in the NFL to go undefeated in the month of December. The 49ers also became the first team in NFL history to start a season 0–9 and finish with more than three wins

Similar to what we saw this year when the team went from Jimmy to Brock.

yeah I say JG in 2017 that stretch was very similar to BP in 2022

LOL, no. The improvement under rather offense when the team went from Hoyer/CJ to Jimmy was no better than what we saw from Trey/JG to Brock.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

See I don't think colt mccoy had ALL the mental stuff. I think few QBs do. You can have experience and it won't mean anything if you don't have the proper fixings mentally.

do I think Brock has the unique mixture? Yes. Did I think Jimmy did initially, yes. Jimmy proved me wrong and I improved upon that. I want to see more of Brock before I 1000% commit to him. He showed what you want to see though in his small sample size.

What I'm saying is you can have all the physical attributes but not the mental, and you're useless/mediocre. You can have half of the mental attributes/half the physical stuff and be solid.

You can have all the great mental stuff and half the physical stuff and be an all time great. I just believe the mental stuff outweighs the physical by and large.

physical stuff only means something if you have the mental stuff right. What is the mental stuff? Who knows, no one has been able to measure it. Which makes it so hard to find.

i just think my formula is much more accurate towards a great qb than your formula. Not that you're dumb or don't know what you're talking about, just different perspectives. I like your input. It challenges me

Why do you think he didn't? How do you think he won so many games in college? Same with Kellen moore who's now a OC in the league? Neither had good arms or elite physical traits, not even at the college level. They did however win more games than anyone in college history.

you thinking that Brock has that based off a couple games is a bit much. Where was all that in college? He had 4 yrs to show that and overall didn't. Bad reads. Accuracy wasn't great. It's not like he didn't have NFL talent or a damn good HC either.

I don't think Jimmy proved anything good or bad. He's just an avg starting level QB with not many elite traits that played on a great roster/elite play caller. As he played more the truth of what he is came out. Always does.

its f**king hard to be an elite level QB in this league. Even more so when you're margin of error is smaller than others

Brock Purdy played at an elite level last year