QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Agree to disagree about what Jimmy did vs Brock did early on.

I mean they gotta show me they're willing to develop them. So far I haven't seen any of that. You can't talk about having so much conviction in lance blah blah blah given up years of picks and then giving him next to nothing in live reps. That's not developing imo. There's no possible way you can determine how good or bad a player is going off that. Just can't. If Brock goes on to have a ho hum 170 passing attempts this yr, you think they're gonna let him play through his rough patches? I don't. They will toss in Sam or Trey. Then what? If neither guys plays well…we're back to square one because they aren't gonna allow development to happen.

sure it's possible any player can be better than any player if given the chance to play and improve. I hate how that's the fall back for Brock vs Lance…the Brady situation. Like let's stop acting like that's the norm. Drew got 8 yrs in NE as well. It's not like he had 100 passing attempts then was just gone.

I would agree you can't know what a guy is on a certain amount of passing attempts. But you can't just play the guy with more upside just because you think there is upside there. You have to play the best guy. That's what training camp should show.

I'd let Trey and Brock compete but it's not crazy to think Brock is the leader. It shouldn't just be handed back to Trey because of the investment just like Bill didn't hand it back to Drew because of the investment.

There is no coach on this planet who saw what we all saw last year that would then have Trey be the starter going into camp.

Would you have Trey as the unquestioned starter right now?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So okay let's go that route. raiders are a miserable defense. Seattle is also a horrible defense (who he played 2 times) and so is AZ. Tampa Bay was missing all kinds of players on defense. They were a shell of themselves.

so we're taking about DC vs the Saints? How about Brock vs Dallas? That was not good imo

im not saying Brock was worst then Jimmy. I believe (want to believe) he's better than Jimmy and he's only scratching the surface. I'm also not gonna run around thinking he's gonna maintain that same level of play or trying to act like Jimmy wasn't playing good football before the injury. You know how I feel about him lol.

Why wouldn't you think Brock wouldn't maintain the same level of play he showed to start his career?

Jimmybwas playing good football but not nearly as good as Brock and the offensive output reflected that.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think we are saying the same thing but you're explaining it better. I guess I should say that Jimmy didn't go with the ball where Kyle always wanted him to, in an effort to continue to setting up future plays or exposing weaknesses in the defense. He just hit who was open in his comfort area of the field.

so he def ran kyles system but not optimally? Does that make sense? Not to how Kyle drew it up to be ran consistently.

i actually always felt like a big draw to him regarding Lance was he could teach him the habits he wanted
him to have regarding how Lance sees field and attacks a defense. That and Lance has more of an attacking mindset than jimmy.

I think Jimmy locked onto a read more than he should or kyle expected him too.

I think Brock did a lot of the same "just hit who's open in his comfort area of the field"

the difference was when a play broke down. Brock wasn't rendered useless. He could make a play with his feet or extend that play. Gotta have that in todays league.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Why wouldn't you think Brock wouldn't maintain the same level of play he showed to start his career?

Jimmybwas playing good football but not nearly as good as Brock and the offensive output reflected that.

Why did you think Jimmy wouldn't maintain the same level of play after 2017?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I saw more than 4 RZ TDs. Overall the deep ball wasn't really more normal either. I mean we went from nothing to a little lol. It was still a ton of shorter end quick passes. A lot of those explosive plays were schemed up open receivers who got a ton of YAC.

jimmy and Brock had near identical IAY numbers and they both focused on those in breaking routes.

our open passing windows due to talent & scheme has been tops in the league

The 49ers were able to transition from Jimmy Garoppolo to Brock Purdy in part because the offense creates easy throwing windows.

No quarterback had a higher expected completion percentage than Garoppolo (69.3%) or Purdy (69.0%) in the regular season (min. 150 attempts).#FTTB pic.twitter.com/n80jMCmDfm

— Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) January 19, 2023

edit: saw you guys corrected the RZ td stat

the same windows where TL had a 51% completion rate

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think Jimmy locked onto a read more than he should or kyle expected him too.

I think Brock did a lot of the same "just hit who's open in his comfort area of the field"

the difference was when a play broke down. Brock wasn't rendered useless. He could make a play with his feet or extend that play. Gotta have that in todays league.

I was naive to this prior to the 21 draft. After watching the difference between Brock and JG I get it. Still think it has to be one of the last thing you gotta have and not the 1st though.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I would agree you can't know what a guy is on a certain amount of passing attempts. But you can't just play the guy with more upside just because you think there is upside there. You have to play the best guy. That's what training camp should show.

I'd let Trey and Brock compete but it's not crazy to think Brock is the leader. It shouldn't just be handed back to Trey because of the investment just like Bill didn't hand it back to Drew because of the investment.

There is no coach on this planet who saw what we all saw last year that would then have Trey be the starter going into camp.

Would you have Trey as the unquestioned starter right now?

Never said anything about who should or shouldn't be the leader. I said I think Brock would be the leader in the room if 100% healthy. I don't think any of these guys have a long leash to play though the ups and downs….our coaching staff has proven they're not gonna allow that with this roster.

I got no problem with competition.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So okay let's go that route. raiders are a miserable defense. Seattle is also a horrible defense (who he played 2 times) and so is AZ. Tampa Bay was missing all kinds of players on defense. They were a shell of themselves.

so we're taking about DC vs the Saints? How about Brock vs Dallas? That was not good imo

im not saying Brock was worst then Jimmy. I believe (want to believe) he's better than Jimmy and he's only scratching the surface. I'm also not gonna run around thinking he's gonna maintain that same level of play or trying to act like Jimmy wasn't playing good football before the injury. You know how I feel about him lol.

Why wouldn't you think Brock wouldn't maintain the same level of play he showed to start his career?

Jimmybwas playing good football but not nearly as good as Brock and the offensive output reflected that.

I am for starting Trey the first few weeks. My thinking is Purdy will probably need a few weeks to get 100% although he could be ready. It's not the kids fault that fat b*****d pancaked his leg. We really don't know what we have and he's finally fully healthy.

Why do I think this? Well its my fan bias because Lance IS a huge what if so lets see it. They did give up a ton so why the hell did they make such a massive move only to toss him aside. This is where playing him is the only true way to know. If he looks good and improving, 90% of us will say ok, lets keep going with Lance. If he sucks and doesn't show improvement etc, well now we got a much better look and can easily turn to Purdy. I get Purdy being the last pick kind of offsets the move for Lance, but I think most of us still would like to see what he can do.

The other scenario for me is Purdy starts week 1, but doesn't play well. Is his arm not ready yet or maybe he's just not the same as last year etc. If this happens now he has to turn to Lance but kind of derailed Purdy a bit too. Fans will be booing him etc because most are just like that. If he comes out firing and playing great, then great lol. Its basically no problem except some will still say what about Lance and he needs a new start.

I get it, but think about it like we're media jerks who will spin this negatively any chance we get. I think the cleaner scenario is going with Trey first. It assures Purdy will definitely be in 100% football shape if Trey doesn't play well or gets hurt again etc. It lets Kyle show he gave Lance a real shot too so much less drama for him inside and outside the office etc.

I admittedly cant see Darnold playing.

Originally posted by krizay:
I was naive to this prior to the 21 draft. After watching the difference between Brock and JG I get it. Still think it has to be one of the last thing you gotta have and not the 1st though.

It's just part of it. I don't disagree with the other stuff you always talk about in regards to what makes a good QB.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
the same windows where TL had a 51% completion rate

The one game where they actually used him as a drop back passer 70% completion rate.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I admittedly cant see Darnold playing.

I can I have an open mind here after QB3 played last year out of his mind
it's not a settled spot until the spot is settled

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Never said anything about who should or shouldn't be the leader. I said I think Brock would be the leader in the room if 100% healthy. I don't think any of these guys have a long leash to play though the ups and downs….our coaching staff has proven they're not gonna allow that with this roster.

I got no problem with competition.

Where have they proven that? Seems you are buying into the narratives the anti Lance group wants to push. The fact that they pushed back on Rappaport tells me the team hasn't made a decision yet and want to see how things play out.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I admittedly cant see Darnold playing.

I can I have an open mind here after QB3 played last year out of his mind
it's not a settled spot until the spot is settled

I know, but Darnold beating out Lance and Purdy is far fetched to me.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I know, but Darnold beating out Lance and Purdy is far fetched to me.

It's extremely far fetched. Perhaps in a year or two he could push those guys when he's worked through all the bad habits the bad coaching has left him and when he has more experience in the offense.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I admittedly cant see Darnold playing.

I can I have an open mind here after QB3 played last year out of his mind
it's not a settled spot until the spot is settled

I know, but Darnold beating out Lance and Purdy is far fetched to me.

He just has to beat TL and if BP is either a) not fully recovered or b) recovered but not up to speed / gameshape

Gore, Palmer, Baldy, Rapsheet, Louis Riddick, David Carr, Jack Hammer all have spoken about the comp and saying Darnold has a solid to good shot of moving past TL
minimally, Darnold will push TL to greater heights, just having that comp around

Also, realize BP is not healthy now, and TL has not been healthy in 2 seasons at all, he has been injury riddled

so Sam playing doesn't even require him beating out anyone, with our persistent injury problems at that spot