QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyone got some RZ stats on Brock? I feel like that's where he separated himself from Jimmy and shined

inside the 10: 4 passing TDs, 0 interceptions 67% completion and 1 rushing TD. 1 sack

Surprisingly jimmy was 8 tds to 1 pick in the redzone (inside the 10). 62% completion, 2 rushing touchdowns. He played a lot more games though.

Purdy was excellent at hitting tight window throws in the endzone. I think it was against the Bucs, if you go back to the touchdown pass to CMC In the redzone, the pass before the touchdown pass was a DIME to CMC in a tight tight window. CMC dropped it but it hit him right on the hands.

to me, the biggest difference between Brock and jimmy is that Brock consistently threw his guys open by dropping dimes. Jimmy doesn't do that too often. The pass to kittle for the two point conversion was a beauty

im tryin to see if I can find stats over his final 6 games to see how he performed in comparison to other starters in that stretch

Thanks. Question….Why are you doing inside the 10 though? RZ is inside the 20.

for me the biggest difference was Brock's ability to extend the play and look beyond the play call. One play I remember he scrambled around and found kittle back of the end zone. Great play. Turns out he missed his first read which wide open read on the play lol. Either way we scored, I bet kyle was a little bent out of shape still.

It was just the stat it opened up. Lol I just did the 20 and..

jimmy: 12 TDs to 1 INT, 4 sacks, 2 rushing touchdowns on 5 attempts (6 yards). 60.5% completion percentage

Brock: 4 touchdowns to 1 interception, 3 touchdowns, 1 rushing touchdown, 67% completion Percentage. Sacked 3 times

This isn't correct.
Brock was 13/17, 76.5%, the highest % of any qb with 10+ completions.
On his 17 attempts, 6 went for TDs which looks to be a top TD % as well.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/redzone-passing.htm

You're correct. I didn't notice the error until later but you'd have to go through a few pages to see it. The stats you plugged in are the right ones. He had 6 touchdowns and not 4.

idk why the site I was looking at was wrong, annoying. Lol

Double post

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/3T7CELX3bmM
i never saw this - Rodgers speaking on Brock's Moxie and talking about how important that is for a QB to have. 😍😍🤘

Love me some Brock Purdy.

Those nearly 2,500 reps he's had over the last 7-8 years has a big deal to do with his "moxie", imo. It just generates confidence.

im not blaming Lance for not having a ton of reps, really a majority of it was out of his control. I just believe it stunted his growth as a qb and leader. Being inexperienced as a player and a young man trying to lead a locker room like ours is tough. Brock at least had all those past experiences to lean on to help his confidence. Btw, I'm not saying Lance isn't confident or a leader - I just don't think he's hit that "leader of men", yet. He will. Just needs a couple seasons under his belt and become a little bit older

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by All22:
The Brock vs Jimmy numbers are very misleading. Brock was QB for 9 of the 10 games in the CMC era. Defenses played us completely differently after that trade. Case in point, Kittle scored all of his 11 TD's after the trade and we averaged about 160 yards on the ground.

Can't compare Jimmy + Jeff Wilson with Brock and CMC.

Yet, people have no problem comparing Brock to Trey without CMC/Mitchell, without Kittle, and with 60% of the offensive line making their first start together in the rain.

Why? Biases.

It's cuz a HOF LT, an All Pro skill guy Deebo, a 1k WR BA, KS dialing it up is more than most teams have to work with

I mean Fields was playing in the same rain
and hitting a guy we cut for a score
and a guy the Pack cut for another score
vs the #1 D in the NFL
with 3-14 talent around

what's his excuse?

More than most teams have to work with. Cool. That isnt the point. Nor is bringing up Fields, who objectively played like garbage that game.

it is the point, the topic is talent around the QB, and you making excuses for why TL had a poor game vs CHI.. vs the later season BP games

I don't think those excuses hold water, cuz another QB was out there in the game you brought up, same QB class, with much worse talent around, same weather, and did enough in winning time (2 TD passes) to get his squad the W.

I said after the Bears game that Trey didn't have a good game, he missed some makable throws and that he needs to play better.

But other than maybe the Falcons game, that game was the worst performance from the offense outside of the QB position all year long.

Which makes sense right? We had 3 first time starters on the OL, Kittle didn't play, Deebo fumbled on the goal line, and Greenlaw single handedly kept the bears offense on the field multiple times.

It's okay to acknowledge that and say Trey didn't play well.

Ive seen you make excuses for Jimmy that you don't make for Trey, so you can't say you're always a results kind of person.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/3T7CELX3bmM
i never saw this - Rodgers speaking on Brock's Moxie and talking about how important that is for a QB to have. 😍😍🤘

Love me some Brock Purdy.

Those nearly 2,500 reps he's had over the last 7-8 years has a big deal to do with his "moxie", imo. It just generates confidence.

im not blaming Lance for not having a ton of reps, really a majority of it was out of his control. I just believe it stunted his growth as a qb and leader. Being inexperienced as a player and a young man trying to lead a locker room like ours is tough. Brock at least had all those past experiences to lean on to help his confidence. Btw, I'm not saying Lance isn't confident or a leader - I just don't think he's hit that "leader of men", yet. He will. Just needs a couple seasons under his belt and become a little bit older

Yeah it's hard to be a leader when you haven't proven it. I think both players act like leaders, but only Purdy has proven himself on the field so far. I haven't been this excited to see a 49ers offense in a long time. Purdy is just that good IMO.

Originally posted by tankle104:

You're correct. I didn't notice the error until later but you'd have to go through a few pages to see it. The stats you plugged in are the right ones. He had 6 touchdowns and not 4.

idk why the site I was looking at was wrong, annoying. Lol

There are multiple sites out there with wrong data I believe. I had problems finding good ones as well.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/3T7CELX3bmM
i never saw this - Rodgers speaking on Brock's Moxie and talking about how important that is for a QB to have. 😍😍🤘

Love me some Brock Purdy.

Those nearly 2,500 reps he's had over the last 7-8 years has a big deal to do with his "moxie", imo. It just generates confidence.

im not blaming Lance for not having a ton of reps, really a majority of it was out of his control. I just believe it stunted his growth as a qb and leader. Being inexperienced as a player and a young man trying to lead a locker room like ours is tough. Brock at least had all those past experiences to lean on to help his confidence. Btw, I'm not saying Lance isn't confident or a leader - I just don't think he's hit that "leader of men", yet. He will. Just needs a couple seasons under his belt and become a little bit older

Yeah it's hard to be a leader when you haven't proven it. I think both players act like leaders, but only Purdy has proven himself on the field so far. I haven't been this excited to see a 49ers offense in a long time. Purdy is just that good IMO.

Yeah, if/when Lance starts playing very well and winning games, that will change.

has Lance ever lead a game winning drive to win? Has he even ran a 2 minute offense with the game on the line? I really don't know the answer but I know if he has, it's not many.

I've only seen one game where it was close to a game winning drive and it was 2019 vs SDSU and Lance didn't score in the fourth and it was won because the running back had a 71 yard TD run to give them the lead.

this is why I bring up his experience and question why anyones convinced he will be special. We just genuinely don't know because he hasnt played In many situations. When the game was on the line in the bears game, even though it was rough weather, he made an awful pass for an int. It was a terrible read and throw - which is fine, he's inexperienced, but it doesn't make me believe he won't do that next time. Situations, or rather Lack or situations/inexperience, is why I have so many more questions than answers with him.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeah it's hard to be a leader when you haven't proven it. I think both players act like leaders, but only Purdy has proven himself on the field so far. I haven't been this excited to see a 49ers offense in a long time. Purdy is just that good IMO.

All in on Brock huh? I'm just not there yet…I think the offense overall is just that good. Jimmy was cooking all the same for 4 games before the injury.

I need to see a larger sample size of the same consistent play to be all in on BCB. If he's out there swinging the big dick all season, well we got ourself a legit stud. We will see!

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I said after the Bears game that Trey didn't have a good game, he missed some makable throws and that he needs to play better.

But other than maybe the Falcons game, that game was the worst performance from the offense outside of the QB position all year long.

Which makes sense right? We had 3 first time starters on the OL, Kittle didn't play, Deebo fumbled on the goal line, and Greenlaw single handedly kept the bears offense on the field multiple times.

It's okay to acknowledge that and say Trey didn't play well.

Ive seen you make excuses for Jimmy that you don't make for Trey, so you can't say you're always a results kind of person.

Toss in how much Kyle stinks WK1. There's a 15 yr history of that unfortunately.

agree on the last paragraph. s**t ton of hypocrisy going on by some, we see it and it should be called out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeah it's hard to be a leader when you haven't proven it. I think both players act like leaders, but only Purdy has proven himself on the field so far. I haven't been this excited to see a 49ers offense in a long time. Purdy is just that good IMO.

All in on Brock huh? I'm just not there yet…I think the offense overall is just that good. Jimmy was cooking all the same for 4 games before the injury.

I need to see a larger sample size of the same consistent play to be all in on BCB. If he's out there swinging the big dick all season, well we got ourself a legit stud. We will see!

I'm all in on Brock for the immediate future, next season. Because I want to see if he's the real deal or not.

but your whole point of needing to see a larger sample size before betting the farm on him, is the same issue I have with what the team did with Lance. Bet the future, multiple first round picks (and a fourth/third?) on a guy that you know almost nothing about and hasn't even played in a game winning drive in his career? Just a really strange move by management that lacks rationale and reason.

someone you can't even really study on film in most situations or for many plays? That's nuts to me. I'd get it if it was like one first round pick but to bet the future? Wild

Having good character, while important, is not the essential ingredient in being a team leader. As stated above, it starts first with performance and winning. Then, if a player has high character and possesses leadership qualities, it can take it to another level. The Niners are blessed with a lot of seemingly high character players, including Purdy and Lance. But thus far only Purdy has married that natural leadership with on-field performance. Purdy will be very hard to unseat if healthy. I believe the plan will be to move Lance and keep Darnold as the backup/insurance policy if it turns out Purdy was a flash in the pan. You get a sense from the Niners brass and players that they don't have a ton of confidence in Lance, presumably from what they see in closed practices.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it is the point, the topic is talent around the QB, and you making excuses for why TL had a poor game vs CHI.. vs the later season BP games

I don't think those excuses hold water, cuz another QB was out there in the game you brought up, same QB class, with much worse talent around, same weather, and did enough in winning time (2 TD passes) to get his squad the W.

As did Russ Wilson a couple weeks later. Yet somehow there were tons of excuses made. Hmmm.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
All in on Brock huh? I'm just not there yet…I think the offense overall is just that good. Jimmy was cooking all the same for 4 games before the injury.

I need to see a larger sample size of the same consistent play to be all in on BCB. If he's out there swinging the big dick all season, well we got ourself a legit stud. We will see!

Eh Jimmy didn't cook too well against New Orleans or the Chargers. 9ers absolutely do not put up 28 points in a half on Tampa with Jimmy.

I'm all in on Brock being an upgrade on what we've had at QB since Shanny took over. The question will be is he the elite guy we need to build a champion. That is where the jury is stil out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeah it's hard to be a leader when you haven't proven it. I think both players act like leaders, but only Purdy has proven himself on the field so far. I haven't been this excited to see a 49ers offense in a long time. Purdy is just that good IMO.

All in on Brock huh? I'm just not there yet…I think the offense overall is just that good. Jimmy was cooking all the same for 4 games before the injury.

I need to see a larger sample size of the same consistent play to be all in on BCB. If he's out there swinging the big dick all season, well we got ourself a legit stud. We will see!

Yup. I believe that Purdy can be a high-end starter in this league but I haven't given up on Trey like so many have.

All I've ever wanted was a QB who can extend plays with his feet, and at least have the mindset of wanting to threaten teams in the deep part of the field.

I think Purdy can do both, although his arm strength isn't a massive strength like Trey's arm is IMO.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
All in on Brock huh? I'm just not there yet…I think the offense overall is just that good. Jimmy was cooking all the same for 4 games before the injury.

I need to see a larger sample size of the same consistent play to be all in on BCB. If he's out there swinging the big dick all season, well we got ourself a legit stud. We will see!

Eh Jimmy didn't cook too well against New Orleans or the Chargers. 9ers absolutely do not put up 28 points in a half on Tampa with Jimmy.

I'm all in on Brock being an upgrade on what we've had at QB since Shanny took over. The question will be is he the elite guy we need to build a champion. That is where the jury is stil out.

Yeah, people saying Jimmy was cooking obviously are not analyzing the game as it should be analyzed/broken down. Purdy was on a different level than Jimmy (PPG and extending/making plays not to mention he did not have Deebo Samuel for quite a few games and that does make a big difference). I love how people conveniently forget to mention that especially people that want to defend Lance and actually prop up Jimmy G just to take Purdys accomplishments down a peg.

Also, most of the time these are people that did not like Jimmy Garoppolo too much but they have to defend him now just to put Purdy down a little bit. When the truth is Purdy's accomplishments were close to all time for a rookie starter as he broke many records.