QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
For all the folks posting things saying you can learn anything or develop anything at the QB position - Kyle himself said "either you have it or you don't" when it comes to certain mental aspects of playing qb. Lol I've been saying this for a while, there are aspects of playing qb at an elite level that can't be learned. I'm not saying Lance doesn't have it, but the argument that anytbing can be learned is false. A lot of things can be learned/developed but not everything, especially the mental side.

https://youtu.be/4hPRtJtEjds
start at 7:20 mark

born with or you are not

Originally posted by tankle104:
My point in posting that wasn't that Brock has it or Lance does/doesn't. It's the point that there are things that can't be learned. I've seen it brought up on here many times that anyone can develop/learn any aspect of playing qb. I'm saying that isn't true.

i think you're 100% right that we can't say any qb on our roster definitely has "it".

For sure I agree. You can learn everything but applying it under pressure is what makes you great. Having those elite traits along with that makes you a long-term great QB. You gotta have that stuff, especially in today's NFL where everyone is bigger stronger faster.

I think Colt McCoy is a good example. Dude can read every defense and probably knows more about that position than most. He was the all-time winningest college QB. He simply never had those elite level traits to become great, regardless of knowing everything about the position. s**t matters. I bet he could become a really good coach some day. End of the day there's only 32 starting QBs in the world for a reason.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
My point in posting that wasn't that Brock has it or Lance does/doesn't. It's the point that there are things that can't be learned. I've seen it brought up on here many times that anyone can develop/learn any aspect of playing qb. I'm saying that isn't true.

i think you're 100% right that we can't say any qb on our roster definitely has "it".

For sure I agree. You can learn everything but applying it under pressure is what makes you great. Having those elite traits along with that makes you a long-term great QB. You gotta have that stuff, especially in today's NFL where everyone is bigger stronger faster.

I think Colt McCoy is a good example. Dude can read every defense and probably knows more about that position than most. He was the all-time winningest college QB. He simply never had those elite level traits to become great, regardless of knowing everything about the position. s**t matters. I bet he could become a really good coach some day. End of the day there's only 32 starting QBs in the world for a reason.

Yeah, I've always felt like you needed a unique combination of mental processing with immediate physical reaction time and great instincts. A lot of players usually have 1 or maybe 2, it's having all three. The mental processing requires being able to see things and immediately understand the timing, angles, placement, touch etc- all in a split second.

then it's a unique combination of work ethic, confidence, personality, leadership, love for the game, competitor, handles pressure/expectations, handles fame etc. you can't really have many insecurities to thrive as a QB in the nfl because it'll mess with your confidence eventually. I think teams should actually make their QBs see a therapist to make sure their minds in the right place. (I also think everyone should attend therapy in some form - it's just working out the brain.)

a lot of players have some combination of them, which is why they're in the league, it's just so rare to find someone who has them all.

some of them can be improved upon or honed, you just have to have that ability. For example, you can understand the timing/placement/angle etc in a split second, you just need reps practicing it to get a better feel with the offense/players. That's different to me than someone who struggles to do it.

i think the reason why most QBs are game managers is because they have a combination of those traits but not all of them. It's very rare. You can still be a really good QB like Jimmy is, I just don't think you can get into the elite category if you don't have it all. The real trick is being able to identify if someone has them all.

Originally posted by tankle104:

i think the reason why most QBs are game managers is because they have a combination of those traits but not all of them. It's very rare. You can still be a really good QB like Jimmy is, I just don't think you can get into the elite category if you don't have it all. The real trick is being able to identify if someone has them all.

We should not underestimate the importance of being a good game manager. Brett Favre, for example, was an elite athlete but his game-management decisions were often costly. Jeff George was also elite athletically but a horrible game manager. Those are extremely different examples but set the tone.

I can count on one hand the number of elite athletes that are good game managers. In most cases, great athletic skills make up for poor game management.

Mahomes is a good example of an elite athlete who had to learn to be a better game manager in order to win without Tyreek Hill.

Purdy appears to be one of those rare dudes who had a great grasp of the game and it making it work despite excellent, not elite, athleticism.

It is interesting that one of the tryouts QBs in the mini-camp had a good day. He is recovering from the same UCL injury as Purdy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't think anyone knows if you have "it" after a couple games either. Especially when you didn't exactly have "it" after 4 years of college football.

the QB situation will works itself out. I will not be shocked if all 3 play at some point and the leash for all them isn't exactly long imo.

I think watching how a young QB performs in their 1st, & or 2nd playoff game tells a lot because plenty of rookies and vets have s**t the bed or haven't performed well in playoff games. Purdy showed a calmness in the playoffs that not a lot of QB's show at a young age.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Bruh. That quote is about control over protections, run game and stuff. It is not telling the QB he has to throw to x location and can not throw to y location. Kyle himself has debunked that ludicrous claim, if that's what you're referring to.

yeah it's all silly stuff.

Every play caller wants their play call to be run the way they wrote it up. Not sure what the debate is? Jimmy had no problem changing play calls pre-snap. Whenever you hear "can, can" that's an audible. No one is perfect but they're a reason half the league is trying to run the shanahan's offense and overall it's been a staple in the league since the 90s.

Some QBs can process everything faster and realize a play call might be dead or that initial read isn't there. Jimmy wasn't amazing at that. Brock handled it better, but as the season went on I thought he regressed a little there. Just my opinion of course.

Idk what people are debating on this about? Jimmy himself flat out said he will have more control over the offense in LV than he did here. A couple of people got butt hurt and are trying to argue it. I'll take the word of a QB who played in the offense. Now a couple people are trying to tell me it isn't true. Lmao it's ridiculous.

People literally argued he was forced to throw to a specific location, and ignore open WRs. They literally said that, and it's NONSENSE. He said the Raiders offense gives him more control BEFORE the snap, protections, run checks, etc. Not AFTER the snap, where it's patently LUDICROUS that a QB has no control of where he throws the ball in an NFL offense.

So, long story short, what's ridiculous is ignoring these very pertinent details.

If it's a part of the offense, then "more control over the offense" is a fair thing to say. Aren't protections, run checks etc part of the play part of the offense? Then saying "he has more control over the offense" is correct.

people can get granular about which parts of the offense he wants/gets more control over when he's in LV.

that's the part I don't understand what people are complaining and arguing about. Lol it's like they take it person or something. Lol

Because Jimmy was making bad post-snap decisions, and they were blaming Kyle for it. Which is ludicrous.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
lol

I'll never understand why people watch this guy. Lol he's so ignorant and obviously don't understand football on a granular level.

Everything he does and says is to generate controversy and clicks. I've never listened to or read something of his that didn't make me think he's a fourteen year old who's never played ball but "knows" everything. Lol

Because (1) he's entertaining, and (2) he may not know much, but he sometimes gets people on his channel who do. Including sometimes former NFL coaches. THAT, of course, is the thing I'm most intrigued by: HOW does he every now and then get competent people on his YouTube channel? How did he get former NFL coaches, former NFL Europe players, QB gurus, and so on, to talk with him, when he's such a needling, annoying individual? Is it all his dad's connections?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by tankle104:

i think the reason why most QBs are game managers is because they have a combination of those traits but not all of them. It's very rare. You can still be a really good QB like Jimmy is, I just don't think you can get into the elite category if you don't have it all. The real trick is being able to identify if someone has them all.

We should not underestimate the importance of being a good game manager. Brett Favre, for example, was an elite athlete but his game-management decisions were often costly. Jeff George was also elite athletically but a horrible game manager. Those are extremely different examples but set the tone.

I can count on one hand the number of elite athletes that are good game managers. In most cases, great athletic skills make up for poor game management.

Mahomes is a good example of an elite athlete who had to learn to be a better game manager in order to win without Tyreek Hill.

Purdy appears to be one of those rare dudes who had a great grasp of the game and it making it work despite excellent, not elite, athleticism.

Why do people call Jimmy a game manager? He didn't always take what the defense gave him. He usually threw where he figured the open guy would be based on his pre-snap read, and he succeeded by his physical talent (his fast release). Just because a guy doesn't throw down the field a lot doesn't mean he's a game manager. Jimmy made his living throwing into dangerous places and succeeded because he's really, really good at it. He wasn't throwing checkdowns all day. He was like a rapier intercepting a thrust and striking the enemy without blocking (and sometimes got himself stabbed in the process).

Originally posted by tankle104:
For all the folks posting things saying you can learn anything or develop anything at the QB position - Kyle himself said "either you have it or you don't" when it comes to certain mental aspects of playing qb. Lol I've been saying this for a while, there are aspects of playing qb at an elite level that can't be learned. I'm not saying Lance doesn't have it, but the argument that anytbing can be learned is false. A lot of things can be learned/developed but not everything, especially the mental side.

https://youtu.be/4hPRtJtEjds
start at 7:20 mark

I agree. Some mental things are talents. Like dynamic field vision (the ability to see the whole picture and anticipate). But where I think you're wrong is that Trey ISN'T without the mental tools needed to succeed at QB. He doesn't predetermine where he's going with the ball, and he can both process and anticipate. The issue for the 49ers is that while Trey has a competent level of talent there, Brock seems to have elite talent there.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Trey is better than Jimmy in some of those mental talents.


But Brock appears to be better at some of these things, and elite in some others, such as reflexes (which is both mental and physical). Brock's reaction time is off the charts. Trey's reaction time seems to not be the best.

Originally posted by dj43:
We should not underestimate the importance of being a good game manager. Brett Favre, for example, was an elite athlete but his game-management decisions were often costly. Jeff George was also elite athletically but a horrible game manager. Those are extremely different examples but set the tone.

I can count on one hand the number of elite athletes that are good game managers. In most cases, great athletic skills make up for poor game management.

Mahomes is a good example of an elite athlete who had to learn to be a better game manager in order to win without Tyreek Hill.

Purdy appears to be one of those rare dudes who had a great grasp of the game and it making it work despite excellent, not elite, athleticism.

I don't think that's rare. A ton of QBs get to the NFL based on having a great grasp of the game/position. It's them not having the elite traits to go with it…. it's also in reverse as well…you could have gotten to that point based off just being more gifted as a thrower/athlete and never learn how to play the position.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I agree. Some mental things are talents. Like dynamic field vision (the ability to see the whole picture and anticipate). But where I think you're wrong is that Trey ISN'T without the mental tools needed to succeed at QB. He doesn't predetermine where he's going with the ball, and he can both process and anticipate. The issue for the 49ers is that while Trey has a competent level of talent there, Brock seems to have elite talent there.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Trey is better than Jimmy in some of those mental talents.

Same play, two different QB's. #49ers pic.twitter.com/IQIY8vfk7w

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) November 8, 2021

But Brock appears to be better at some of these things, and elite in some others, such as reflexes (which is both mental and physical). Brock's reaction time is off the charts. Trey's reaction time seems to not be the best.

Disagree about Lance not having good reaction time. Brock quick twitch is for sure top end….there are plays where he also didn't throw with anticipation (which is also an aspect of reaction time). He's not as consistent there as some think. Which is fine he was a rookie.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
For sure I agree. You can learn everything but applying it under pressure is what makes you great. Having those elite traits along with that makes you a long-term great QB. You gotta have that stuff, especially in today's NFL where everyone is bigger stronger faster.

I think Colt McCoy is a good example. Dude can read every defense and probably knows more about that position than most. He was the all-time winningest college QB. He simply never had those elite level traits to become great, regardless of knowing everything about the position. s**t matters. I bet he could become a really good coach some day. End of the day there's only 32 starting QBs in the world for a reason.

He's literally the same guy as Brian Griese. Love the coach take.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Because (1) he's entertaining, and (2) he may not know much, but he sometimes gets people on his channel who do. Including sometimes former NFL coaches. THAT, of course, is the thing I'm most intrigued by: HOW does he every now and then get competent people on his YouTube channel? How did he get former NFL coaches, former NFL Europe players, QB gurus, and so on, to talk with him, when he's such a needling, annoying individual? Is it all his dad's connections?

Are you Cohn!? Lmao I'm onto you!

i will give him that. He does get some decent people on his channel from time to time. I don't think it's very difficult to get people on though when you have a decent sized following - just find people who agree with you or pay them, I have a lot of friends with channels who do that. His dad being who he is does give him juice though. If his dad was a no body or a different field, he wouldn't have nearly the following he does, IMO.

i just don't think he's a very informative personality. I wouldn't put him in nearly the same category as someone like David Lombardi - who's very informative and isn't all about his own preference or opinion. Lombardi educates more often than not and usually provides just the information, without a twist on it.

i think Cohn feeds off of controversy or pushing narratives on certain players. Some people like it, good for him/them. I just don't view him as someone you go to for information or to learn something - I see him as someone you go to him when he agrees with you to make people feel right, whether it's right or not. If I'm not mistaken, most players hate him. Lol

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:
For all the folks posting things saying you can learn anything or develop anything at the QB position - Kyle himself said "either you have it or you don't" when it comes to certain mental aspects of playing qb. Lol I've been saying this for a while, there are aspects of playing qb at an elite level that can't be learned. I'm not saying Lance doesn't have it, but the argument that anytbing can be learned is false. A lot of things can be learned/developed but not everything, especially the mental side.

https://youtu.be/4hPRtJtEjds
start at 7:20 mark

I agree. Some mental things are talents. Like dynamic field vision (the ability to see the whole picture and anticipate). But where I think you're wrong is that Trey ISN'T without the mental tools needed to succeed at QB. He doesn't predetermine where he's going with the ball, and he can both process and anticipate. The issue for the 49ers is that while Trey has a competent level of talent there, Brock seems to have elite talent there.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Trey is better than Jimmy in some of those mental talents.

Same play, two different QB's. #49ers pic.twitter.com/IQIY8vfk7w

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) November 8, 2021

But Brock appears to be better at some of these things, and elite in some others, such as reflexes (which is both mental and physical). Brock's reaction time is off the charts. Trey's reaction time seems to not be the best.

I didn't say anything about Lance having or not having anything. I've posted numerous times that this post wasn't about Trey or Brock having/not having something. It's the argument that anyone can learn anything or if they work hard enough at it, they can be great at it.

I don't think that's true. Not everyone is created equal and everyone is wired different. There are somethings that either you have or you don't. This isn't a fairy world where everyone's built equally. Lol I'm not 6'10 260lbs of raw muscle like lebron. Most players don't have lebrons basketball IQ. It's just the reality of life and nothing wrong with it. Doesn't mean someone's dumb cause they don't have lebrons basketball IQ, just lebron is better.