QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.

Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.

Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.

Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!

I think it means more like a HOF caliber QB. JG ain't going to the HOF unless he pays for a ticket.

So, unless a team has a QB who might go to the HOF then no one else is acceptable, is that the point? As I said, it sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn every year and being disappointed that you didn't find one.

There are a lot of them in the league

I would say Hurts, Rodgers, Stafford, Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Herbert
that's 8
and Lawrence and Fields may be entering in 2023, so 10, and Wilson stunk last year, but he may be HOF anyway, so that's 11. Plus a rook crop incoming, maybe some studs there. Guys from last year's class may step up also. So maybe 1/3rd of the league has QBs of this caliber right now. Somewhere between 33-40% of teams.

Brock is already better than a few of those guys.

maybe, but we are 49er fans, I am not sure the NFL would agree with us, based on his limited work

Let him be in the MVP convo or get to a SB, that would make the entire league see what we see, heck maybe if he just stayed healthy

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.

Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.

Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.

Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!

Let me butt in here with my definition and why Jimmy didn't fit it. A franchise QB is the REASON your franchise is winning. Josh Allen is the reason the Bills win. The 49ers defense and run game come before Jimmy in reasons why we won. You're stuck on thinking winning is a QB stat. Winning is a QB stat when the QB is why you won.

Would you not say that Troy Aikman was a franchise QB? I would, and he was hardly the reason why the Cowboys were winning.

Go look at how his numbers improved from the regular season to the playoffs. He was a mere cog in the regular season, but in the playoffs he was a big reason they won.

Then one also has to consider that Aikman also six Pro Bowls, and for those that have watched him (I have a bunch of copies of old 49ers games so I've seen several games of him), he might have made dumb decisions, but his accuracy at all three levels of the field helped keep teams honest—and I should point out that Norv Turner's passing game was a down field passing game, not a passing game filled with WR quick screens and slants. There was a higher degree of difficulty. So there's more to it than one measly metric. If you look at his approximate value score (from PFR) during those Super Bowl years, it was on par with Steve Young's approximate value from 1995 through 1998 (of course, Steve's AV from 1992 through 1994 was absurdly high—higher than Brett Favre ever was, and as high as Mahomes was in 2018, so yeah, Steve is way underrated).

Aikman ended up in the Hall of Fame for a reason. Jimmy is not going to go to the Hall of Fame.

Earlier I said a franchise QB is the reason why you win. But more importantly, he's the reason you win big games, and he's NOT the reason you lose big games. Go look at Troy Aikman's PLAYOFF stats. His numbers are among the better ones in NFL history, with a passer rating above Peyton Manning's and just below Brady's. What's important here is that his passer rating GOT BETTER in the playoffs, when the competition got better too.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's an assumption, but it's a reasonable one because rookies may know the playbook, but may not be comfortable with all of it. Which means in time they'll get more comfortable with more of it, which will open up the offense.

You mean like Jimmy G?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Brock at 22:57

This is awesome! I love the way he Carries himself and how humble is. These interviews are always fun when it's current/recently retired players.
couldn't be happier we landed this guy.

also cool that Trey was such a big help to him, he's always seemed like a great teammate

Great interview, great composure despite being surprised Jimmy was going to be out more than one series. He loves Kyle's offense. I can't wait to see him 💯% and slicing and dicing NFL defenses. 2nd year is the time for the biggest improvement in a typical NFL career, I'm just imagining how good Brock will be in his 2nd year under Kyle.😳😳😳

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's an assumption, but it's a reasonable one because rookies may know the playbook, but may not be comfortable with all of it. Which means in time they'll get more comfortable with more of it, which will open up the offense.

You mean like Jimmy G?

Nah, that's a bad comparison. Because Jimmy's problems were related to things that are a lot harder to fix than familiarity with an offense. Jimmy knew the offense front and back by his third year, but by year five he was still failing to exploit busted coverages or see defenders over the middle about to snatch his passes.

Brock has shown quite conclusively he has quality vision for a QB. He will see and exploit a busted coverage, and his interceptions tend to be more about his moderate arm strength or just misses than problems seeing the field.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.

Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.

Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.

Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!

I think it means more like a HOF caliber QB. JG ain't going to the HOF unless he pays for a ticket.

So, unless a team has a QB who might go to the HOF then no one else is acceptable, is that the point? As I said, it sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn every year and being disappointed that you didn't find one.

There are a lot of them in the league

I would say Hurts, Rodgers, Stafford, Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Herbert
that's 8
and Lawrence and Fields may be entering in 2023, so 10, and Wilson stunk last year, but he may be HOF anyway, so that's 11. Plus a rook crop incoming, maybe some studs there. Guys from last year's class may step up also. So maybe 1/3rd of the league has QBs of this caliber right now. Somewhere between 33-40% of teams.

Brock is already better than a few of those guys.

maybe, but we are 49er fans, I am not sure the NFL would agree with us, based on his limited work

Let him be in the MVP convo or get to a SB, that would make the entire league see what we see, heck maybe if he just stayed healthy

He has been better than Lawrence and Fields for sure. I'd add Stafford and Rodgers to that list if he comes back healthy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

It's an assumption, but it's a reasonable one because rookies may know the playbook, but may not be comfortable with all of it. Which means in time they'll get more comfortable with more of it, which will open up the offense.

You mean like Jimmy G?

He is already better than Jimmy G.

Brock is as likely to improve as any 49er QB.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's an assumption, but it's a reasonable one because rookies may know the playbook, but may not be comfortable with all of it. Which means in time they'll get more comfortable with more of it, which will open up the offense.

You mean like Jimmy G?

Nah, that's a bad comparison. Because Jimmy's problems were related to things that are a lot harder to fix than familiarity with an offense. Jimmy knew the offense front and back by his third year, but by year five he was still failing to exploit busted coverages or see defenders over the middle about to snatch his passes.

Brock has shown quite conclusively he has quality vision for a QB. He will see and exploit a busted coverage, and his interceptions tend to be more about his moderate arm strength or just misses than problems seeing the field.

I can agree with this.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Jim Kelly was in the MVP convo a bunch and in SBs a bunch
Phil Rivers was in the MVP convo a bunch
Warren Moon was in the MVP convo a bunch

what part of this aren't you getting

Phillip Rivers had 4 total MVP votes in his entire career.
Warren Moon was in the MVP conversation all of one time.
Jim Kelly was in the MVP conversation once, if you even want to call it that. He finished 5th, and behind a teammate.

None of those guys were MVP candidates throughout their career. Phillip Rivers NEVER was period, and he never made a Superbowl. Yet, he was unquestionably a franchise QB. Your entire argument stinks. You claimed a QB needs to be a potential HOFer who has been to the Superbowl yet have no problem listing Trevor Lawrence as a FQB.

Look, we arent always going to agree on everything. But if you are going to setup criteria for an argument, at least follow the criteria you set up.

you are being silly.. I said HOF caliber guys.. Jim Kelly is seen here.. i'll see if you pick up on anything in the photo



here is Moon, who was in the MVP convo 3x per PFR



Rivers will be in the HOF, or in that convo, which means he's a FQB per my def

Rivers was definitely a franchise qb. He never won anything but he was consistently a top Qb for a good 8-10 years

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Brock at 22:57

This is awesome! I love the way he Carries himself and how humble is. These interviews are always fun when it's current/recently retired players.
couldn't be happier we landed this guy.

also cool that Trey was such a big help to him, he's always seemed like a great teammate

Great interview, great composure despite being surprised Jimmy was going to be out more than one series. He loves Kyle's offense. I can't wait to see him 💯% and slicing and dicing NFL defenses. 2nd year is the time for the biggest improvement in a typical NFL career, I'm just imagining how good Brock will be in his 2nd year under Kyle.😳😳😳

I love how the guy can't throw but is still focused on improving what he can. Dude Is a football nerd and I love it.

You'd think that every player is but I think most people would be surprised at how a lot of players don't study the game or it's history - outside of what's in their job description. There's a reason why Purdy was so ready and composed

I'm so damn excited to see what kind of improvement he has from year 1 to 2. Like another poster said, it's typically when QBs make their biggest leaps.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Brock at 22:57

This is awesome! I love the way he Carries himself and how humble is. These interviews are always fun when it's current/recently retired players.
couldn't be happier we landed this guy.

also cool that Trey was such a big help to him, he's always seemed like a great teammate

Great interview, great composure despite being surprised Jimmy was going to be out more than one series. He loves Kyle's offense. I can't wait to see him 💯% and slicing and dicing NFL defenses. 2nd year is the time for the biggest improvement in a typical NFL career, I'm just imagining how good Brock will be in his 2nd year under Kyle.😳😳😳

People generally make the 2nd year leap when they're healthy during the off-season. Brock might get better at throwing left-handed, but how much progress can he really make this offseason when he might miss almost the entire thing? We also can't discount the amount of time Brock is spending on rehabbing the elbow that could normally be spent working on other things.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.

Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.

Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.

Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!

Let me butt in here with my definition and why Jimmy didn't fit it. A franchise QB is the REASON your franchise is winning. Josh Allen is the reason the Bills win. The 49ers defense and run game come before Jimmy in reasons why we won. You're stuck on thinking winning is a QB stat. Winning is a QB stat when the QB is why you won.

Would you not say that Troy Aikman was a franchise QB? I would, and he was hardly the reason why the Cowboys were winning.

Go look at how his numbers improved from the regular season to the playoffs. He was a mere cog in the regular season, but in the playoffs he was a big reason they won.

Then one also has to consider that Aikman also six Pro Bowls, and for those that have watched him (I have a bunch of copies of old 49ers games so I've seen several games of him), he might have made dumb decisions, but his accuracy at all three levels of the field helped keep teams honest—and I should point out that Norv Turner's passing game was a down field passing game, not a passing game filled with WR quick screens and slants. There was a higher degree of difficulty. So there's more to it than one measly metric. If you look at his approximate value score (from PFR) during those Super Bowl years, it was on par with Steve Young's approximate value from 1995 through 1998 (of course, Steve's AV from 1992 through 1994 was absurdly high—higher than Brett Favre ever was, and as high as Mahomes was in 2018, so yeah, Steve is way underrated).

Aikman ended up in the Hall of Fame for a reason. Jimmy is not going to go to the Hall of Fame.

Earlier I said a franchise QB is the reason why you win. But more importantly, he's the reason you win big games, and he's NOT the reason you lose big games. Go look at Troy Aikman's PLAYOFF stats. His numbers are among the better ones in NFL history, with a passer rating above Peyton Manning's and just below Brady's. What's important here is that his passer rating GOT BETTER in the playoffs, when the competition got better too.

Fair enough. I am old enough to have watched Aikman's entire career, so I am very aware of how good he was. In fact, if it wasnt for the fact that he was a Cowboy, I would be advocating that Aikman is one of the more underrated QBs in NFL history. However, I still dont believe he was THE reason the team was as successful as they were.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
and? You'd say the same s**t if it was Lance out there….and don't say you wouldn't!

its 170 passing attempts. That is nothing in the grand scheme of what a QB is or isn't. Crowning someone or saying they blow over that time span is foolish.

you ALL thought Jimmy was the next Tom Brady after the SAME sample size. Why don't you learn from your past mistakes? Some people have and some people want to see more before going there. Smh

He wasn't Tom Brady, but in that small sample we saw a winner and he was.

Purdy's rookie stats were unreal, on top of that his play in the playoffs - as a **rookie** - was unreal. I think to me, he has great potential to be a generational talent. I thought Kaepernick was also a generational talent but you can't measure heart, professionalism and dedication. Purdy's got all that and more. My only question about Purdy is durability. If I was Kyle - I will assume he's Jimmy Glass untill he proves he can play a whole season. So that's why the Offensive Line is such an important focus for him right now. Losing 3 QBs in a season is also rare, and you don't want that to happen again this year. This draft is going to matter a lot for possibly years if Kyle gets another Trent Williams 2.0.

Also, Brock's mobility should help his longevity. And he probably learned from getting stung this time.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Brock at 22:57

This is awesome! I love the way he Carries himself and how humble is. These interviews are always fun when it's current/recently retired players.
couldn't be happier we landed this guy.

also cool that Trey was such a big help to him, he's always seemed like a great teammate

Great interview, great composure despite being surprised Jimmy was going to be out more than one series. He loves Kyle's offense. I can't wait to see him 💯% and slicing and dicing NFL defenses. 2nd year is the time for the biggest improvement in a typical NFL career, I'm just imagining how good Brock will be in his 2nd year under Kyle.😳😳😳

People generally make the 2nd year leap when they're healthy during the off-season. Brock might get better at throwing left-handed, but how much progress can he really make this offseason when he might miss almost the entire thing? We also can't discount the amount of time Brock is spending on rehabbing the elbow that could normally be spent working on other things.

He is limited but he's talked a lot about the things he's working on. Not everything is done out on the field throwing the ball. He's worked on his footwork, studying concepts, shifts, footwork timing, defenses etc.

also you're acting like he won't throw the ball at all until sept. He will be throwing for 6-7 weeks by the time training camp even starts. It isn't like his arm will be 30% strength by the time training camp starts. Idk where he will be but he will be more than half way through ramp up period - usually the last 20% or so is what takes the longest. So, based on the things I've read - his arm will be approx 80% (may be a tad optimistic but not far fetched) when camp starts. He will continue the ramp up and should be able to participate in training camp in full 11-11 in the last 2-4 weeks at least. He will most likely be participating in camp on limited capacities before that. They'll just have to closely Monitor his arm and make sure he isn't over doing it. Also, if his arm is stronger than before, like he's suggested himself it may be, 80-85% may be what we know as his 100% last year - or really close to it.

plus, studying and reviewing the film on his game experiences etc can help him improve.

overall, yes he will be somewhat limited but it isn't like he will be on the couch until September.