Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.
Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.
Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.
Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!
I think it means more like a HOF caliber QB. JG ain't going to the HOF unless he pays for a ticket.
So, unless a team has a QB who might go to the HOF then no one else is acceptable, is that the point? As I said, it sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn every year and being disappointed that you didn't find one.
There are a lot of them in the league
I would say Hurts, Rodgers, Stafford, Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Herbert
that's 8
and Lawrence and Fields may be entering in 2023, so 10, and Wilson stunk last year, but he may be HOF anyway, so that's 11. Plus a rook crop incoming, maybe some studs there. Guys from last year's class may step up also. So maybe 1/3rd of the league has QBs of this caliber right now. Somewhere between 33-40% of teams.
Of that list, at this moment, the only ones you could make a realistic argument for in terms of HOF careers are Mahomes, Rodgers and Wilson. No one else on that list has proven they are worthy of consideration yet. And I assume you added Fields and Lawrence as a joke just to see if I was paying attention.
All the guys I named either won NFL MVP or have been in the convo, or won a SB
Lawrence and Fields I think are can have MVP type years, if they make 'the leap' like we saw from Hurts last season.. now they may or may not do that, they are in the it's too early to say, one way or the other, but arrow looking up on both, imo
