QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think it means more like a HOF caliber QB. JG ain't going to the HOF unless he pays for a ticket.

I totally disagree with this.

how can you totally disagree with it.. i know you agree with the 2nd sentence

I just cant get behind the idea that a franchise QB is a HOF caliber QB. I think thats crazy, and that means that you are looking at 3-5(ish) franchise QBs in the NFL at any given time. I think your bar for what a franchise QB is insanely high.

did you not see my post it's like a third of the league, or more

I saw that post, and you arent making sense. You say franchise QBs are future HOFs, and you are also saying that 1/3 of the league are. Those two points are not in line at all.

I didn't say future HOF, I said HOF caliber.. I guess difference there is they could make it, rather than, they will make it..

maybe better model is which QBs are legit MVP candidates, or have been throughout their careers. If you are winning NFL MVP or in that convo you are a FQB.

I totally disagree with your MVP model too. You dont need to be in the MVP conversation to be a franchise QB. Ben Roethlisberger was the Steelers QB for 18 years and never got a single MVP vote. Not award, vote. Was he not a franchise QB?

I know people may disagree with me, but I think the easiest definition is the one I provided. An incumbent QB who the franchise has committed to as the QB1 now and for the foreseeable future. Easiest, cleanest definition.

I mentioned MVPs and Super Bowls.. come on SWH, try and keep up

Big Ben is either in the HOF or in that discussion, so yes FQB.. that's my model and it is working

So Phillip Rivers wasn't a franchise QB? Warren Moon? Jim Kelly?

I stand by my definition.

Jim Kelly was in the MVP convo a bunch and in SBs a bunch
Phil Rivers was in the MVP convo a bunch
Warren Moon was in the MVP convo a bunch

what part of this aren't you getting

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

got the biggest ovation of the SF Giants season

Could probably earn a spot in the pen even with the hurt throwing arm.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.

Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.

Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.

Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!

I think it means more like a HOF caliber QB. JG ain't going to the HOF unless he pays for a ticket.

So, unless a team has a QB who might go to the HOF then no one else is acceptable, is that the point? As I said, it sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn every year and being disappointed that you didn't find one.

There are a lot of them in the league

I would say Hurts, Rodgers, Stafford, Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Herbert
that's 8
and Lawrence and Fields may be entering in 2023, so 10, and Wilson stunk last year, but he may be HOF anyway, so that's 11. Plus a rook crop incoming, maybe some studs there. Guys from last year's class may step up also. So maybe 1/3rd of the league has QBs of this caliber right now. Somewhere between 33-40% of teams.

Brock is already better than a few of those guys.

Originally posted by krizay:

#49ers GM John Lynch reiterates what he and Kyle Shanahan have said repeatedly, which is that though look into everything -- Lamar Jackson, etc. -- they are convicted in their belief in QB Brock Purdy. Also points out team is limited by how their roster is set up financially.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 24, 2023

Hell yeah! 😎.

Lamar Would be a bad signing for us roster wise.awesome player but not what we need. Especially taking up $50M a year.

the team seems super confident in Brock's recovery. Mushahahah he'll be ready week 1 😈😈

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Brock at 22:57

Those two are just cool as hell.

Get healthy, kid!

And his rehab is going great. Love it 😭😍

Originally posted by krizay:

#49ers GM John Lynch reiterates what he and Kyle Shanahan have said repeatedly, which is that though look into everything -- Lamar Jackson, etc. -- they are convicted in their belief in QB Brock Purdy. Also points out team is limited by how their roster is set up financially.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 24, 2023

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Jim Kelly was in the MVP convo a bunch and in SBs a bunch
Phil Rivers was in the MVP convo a bunch
Warren Moon was in the MVP convo a bunch

what part of this aren't you getting

Phillip Rivers had 4 total MVP votes in his entire career.
Warren Moon was in the MVP conversation all of one time.
Jim Kelly was in the MVP conversation once, if you even want to call it that. He finished 5th, and behind a teammate.

None of those guys were MVP candidates throughout their career. Phillip Rivers NEVER was period, and he never made a Superbowl. Yet, he was unquestionably a franchise QB. Your entire argument stinks. You claimed a QB needs to be a potential HOFer who has been to the Superbowl yet have no problem listing Trevor Lawrence as a FQB.

Look, we arent always going to agree on everything. But if you are going to setup criteria for an argument, at least follow the criteria you set up.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Jim Kelly was in the MVP convo a bunch and in SBs a bunch
Phil Rivers was in the MVP convo a bunch
Warren Moon was in the MVP convo a bunch

what part of this aren't you getting

Phillip Rivers had 4 total MVP votes in his entire career.
Warren Moon was in the MVP conversation all of one time.
Jim Kelly was in the MVP conversation once, if you even want to call it that. He finished 5th, and behind a teammate.

None of those guys were MVP candidates throughout their career. Phillip Rivers NEVER was period, and he never made a Superbowl. Yet, he was unquestionably a franchise QB. Your entire argument stinks. You claimed a QB needs to be a potential HOFer who has been to the Superbowl yet have no problem listing Trevor Lawrence as a FQB.

Look, we arent always going to agree on everything. But if you are going to setup criteria for an argument, at least follow the criteria you set up.

you are being silly.. I said HOF caliber guys.. Jim Kelly is seen here.. i'll see if you pick up on anything in the photo



here is Moon, who was in the MVP convo 3x per PFR



Rivers will be in the HOF, or in that convo, which means he's a FQB per my def

Another reason your argument sucks is because QBs can be considered FQBs long before they are thought of to be a future HOF. Drew Brees was considered a franchise quarterback before he made a SB, before he won an MVP, before he was considered on the HOF track.

We can drop this conversation if you'd like. I just hope that the next time we debate something, you are able to not contradict your own set of guidelines you lay out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I saw the team ran that exact play a bit too much, I think, which makes me wonder how much the Brock was comfortable with the offense (The Cowboys were all over it when we ran it in that game). And that bodes well as he learns more. Because IF he did that well with an incompletely knowledge of the offense, well, you get the point.

It bodes well that they ran the same plays over an over because he couldn't run anything different? I mean that's unknown stuff…that's assuming and that's part of the reason I'm not "all in" yet or trying to move any QB for crap picks in a underwhelming draft.

It's an assumption, but it's a reasonable one because rookies may know the playbook, but may not be comfortable with all of it. Which means in time they'll get more comfortable with more of it, which will open up the offense.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Another reason your argument sucks is because QBs can be considered FQBs long before they are thought of to be a future HOF. Drew Brees was considered a franchise quarterback before he made a SB, before he won an MVP, before he was considered on the HOF track.

We can drop this conversation if you'd like. I just hope that the next time we debate something, you are able to not contradict your own set of guidelines you lay out.

that was the whole reason for the MVP / or SB discussion. Clearly it would be hard to say if Lamar is going to Canton, right now, he's 26. So you need some objective qualifier that ppl can look at and agree on.. the fact he won an MVP (unanimous) means heck yeah, he's a FQB.
Hurts being in the MVP convo and in a SB, he qualifies also.. and so forth..

at least my method doesn't have Zach Wilson as an FQB

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.

Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.

Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.

Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!

Let me butt in here with my definition and why Jimmy didn't fit it. A franchise QB is the REASON your franchise is winning. Josh Allen is the reason the Bills win. The 49ers defense and run game come before Jimmy in reasons why we won. You're stuck on thinking winning is a QB stat. Winning is a QB stat when the QB is why you won.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Especially since we haven't had a real franchise QB since Steve Young. And the search for one still continues.

Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a "Franchise QB"? We recently parted ways with a QB who, in the three years he was healthy enough to compete, helped the team get to three NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. So clearly those accomplishments don't count in your assessment. Some people in here like to go on about Josh Allen, who I believe has gotten the Bills to two AFC Championship games and lost them both so if getting to championship games isn't a criteria for being a franchise QB then clearly he isn't one either. So perhaps your definition of a franchise QB is one who cannot only keep you in the hunt for championships on a consistent basis but can also bring home the gold when given the opportunity. For the past twenty years or so that list would include Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes and, God, I even hate to say it, Eli Manning, two players who are considered generational talents and a guy who lucked into a couple of rings.

Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are generally considered to be two of the best QB's of the Super Bowl era yet in all the years they played they only one two Super Bowl wins between them. So if a QB wins one Super Bowl Championship in his career does that make him a franchise QB? In that case Trent Dilfer was a franchise QB and the Bucs were foolish to move on from him.

Quite frankly this whole 'franchise QB" thing is pretty silly. It seems that for most people their definition of a franchise QB is somebody who takes you to the championship game on a consistent basis and wins every Super Bowl they have the opportunity to participate in. Sounds a lot like looking for a unicorn. We've had one, and that was Joe, that doesn't mean we are entitled to anymore. They are extremely difficult to find and sometimes you have to accept the fact that the normal reality is that you hope you find a guy who can keep you in the hunt and that, from time to time, the stars will align and you'll be able to bring home a ring. There was a chance it could have happened last year but for Brock's injury. Hopefully he'll come back strong this season and turn into the unicorn you are looking for. Go Niners!

Let me butt in here with my definition and why Jimmy didn't fit it. A franchise QB is the REASON your franchise is winning. Josh Allen is the reason the Bills win. The 49ers defense and run game come before Jimmy in reasons why we won. You're stuck on thinking winning is a QB stat. Winning is a QB stat when the QB is why you won.

Would you not say that Troy Aikman was a franchise QB? I would, and he was hardly the reason why the Cowboys were winning.