QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Trey in the background while they have Brock address the fans

Trey Lance watching a legend in the making #FTTB pic.twitter.com/HMRsIsu5EI

— Socrates (@ITfactor00) May 22, 2023

Is that your twitter account?

"It begins with throwing a half-weighted football and builds to throwing a prescribed number of balls at fixed effort and distance," Nick Wagoner and Stephania Bell wrote in a feature for ESPN. "The final portion of the rehab is mimicking a game week by throwing roughly the same number of passes an NFL quarterback would during the regular season."

Interesting. I'm curious what the weekly breakdown is for all the throwing. For example, what weight and how much will he be throwing by the time training camp starts? I think that'll give a good idea of how much he participates in training camp.

I've always felt like he will be able to throw a regular ball by the time camp starts but he would be doing it on a limited basis. id like to know what weighted ball and how much he is expected to be throwing by week 6-7/12 of the rehab.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Ah, but here's the difference. Guys like Kaepernick to a large extent, and Jimmy to a lesser degree, just didn't grow and overcome their weaknesses. Brock is spending the whole off season studying film on plays and analyzing how they can be executed better. He's got the drive and football IQ benefit from that. Why could Jimmy Never improve his deep ball accuracy, or his field reading skills.

I mean that's you just assuming a whole bunch. We all thought Jimmy would do the same thing. Dude got hurt after two games and spent all year "studying film" with mike shanahan.

you have no idea what drive Jimmy or Brock have. He's trying to rehab his arm man. That's the first step. He's not gonna be able to play legit football in most of TC.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Ah, but here's the difference. Guys like Kaepernick to a large extent, and Jimmy to a lesser degree, just didn't grow and overcome their weaknesses. Brock is spending the whole off season studying film on plays and analyzing how they can be executed better. He's got the drive and football IQ benefit from that. Why could Jimmy Never improve his deep ball accuracy, or his field reading skills.

I mean that's you just assuming a whole bunch. We all thought Jimmy would do the same thing. Dude got hurt after two games and spent all year "studying film" with mike shanahan.

you have no idea what drive Jimmy or Brock have. He's trying to rehab his arm man. That's the first step. He's not gonna be able to play legit football in most of TC.

Yup, I would be surprised if he's out there week 1. Trying not to get my expectations up, if he is great, but if not that will square with my expectations. There is the first process of building it up, then later on in the process he will get back to team activity, but he will be months behind most other QBs, who can do team activity all offseason, and he needs that stuff, this would be his first offseason as a QB1.

Originally posted by Furlow:
He's right about what? Jimmy's advanced stats in one game were equal to or better than Purdy's over a 7-8 game stretch? What kind of comparison is that? Not to mention, it was ridiculously obvious how much better Purdy was than Jimmy.

But this is where we are. The Trey fans are so hell bent on minimizing Purdy, they are now embracing and lifting up Jimmy to attempt to make that happen. Lol it's funny at this point.

One game? I'm talking about his last 4 starts with CMC. Jimmy's numbers were legit good.

why do you ya'll resort to "Lance fans" or "Brock haters"? That's childish s**t imo. I'm in the Brock thread talking about Brock. If we're gonna go down that road why are you minimizing what Jimmy did with CMC his last 4 starts. Last I checked completing 73% of your passes, having a QB rating of 113.5, avg 230 yards and having 8 TDs to zero INTs in 4 games was pretty freaking good. Or do those kind of stats only apply to Brock?

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Every fan loves Brock and what he did, but the continued need to knock Trey for things he hasn't done is absurd.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As a fan base we gotta be smart about all of it…when someone is having wildTD% and a crazy TD/INT ratio in a small sample size, you have to prepare for regression to the mean a little (or a lot who knows).

Fair enough, but we might also consider what Brock did, he did with almost no practice in Kyle's offense. Kyle has said he will be better this year, and I just can't see how we wouldn't expect that to be true.

True.

We can also say the same thing about Jimmy in 2017 on a much much worse team.

Ah, but here's the difference. Guys like Kaepernick to a large extent, and Jimmy to a lesser degree, just didn't grow and overcome their weaknesses. Brock is spending the whole off season studying film on plays and analyzing how they can be executed better. He's got the drive and football IQ benefit from that. Why could Jimmy Never improve his deep ball accuracy, or his field reading skills.

Hate to break it to you, but Purdy hasn't done that yet either.

Posted one-after-the other... C'mon man!

Hard to read that ESPN article on Purdy and the UCL repair when in the first paragraph there's such a glaring error about his record.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Brock was Purdy in the playoffs. Zero interceptions.

Another amazing factor. Especially going against that Dallas D

Boy there was a handful of throws that could have very easily been INTs. We can't count on that s**t going that way all the time. Things like TD% and TD/INT ratio aren't a static stat. If Brock maintains what he did in those categories, he's gonna be an all-pro. It's just hard to assume that off such a small sample size.

One of those samples was against an elite pass defense in the Dallas Cowboys. He did decent against it *as a rookie* so I have hope for Purdy.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Trey in the background while they have Brock address the fans

Trey Lance watching a legend in the making #FTTB pic.twitter.com/HMRsIsu5EI

— Socrates (@ITfactor00) May 22, 2023

Is that your twitter account?

😂

I've seen this handle blabbering on about nonsense for a while. Zero understanding of football and just emotional crap.

Originally posted by Giedi:
One of those samples was against an elite pass defense in the Dallas Cowboys. He did decent against it *as a rookie* so I have hope for Purdy.

I mean it wasn't just Dallas it was TB, Seattle, snd LV. Like I said cool be be hopeful…also gotta keep it real and understand things like TD% and TD/INT ratio aren't a static stat at all. There's almost always a regression to the mean when it's so crazy high (or low).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
The stat that stands out to me is their playoff performance.

Jimmy's 6 playoff games combined stats compared to Purdy's first playoff game lol... its mind boggling... I'll try to find the stats and post. Found it.....

NOTICE: Analysis needs to be data-based. Do not cherry-pick data. It prohibits clear thinking and you will be called out on it. The offense under Purdy improved by over 10 points per game. He was the top passer in the NFL from when he entered the NFL. pic.twitter.com/pVov8sCxtq

— Ben Crittenden (@Crito12345) January 30, 2023

its in the tweet lol... crazy...

We all know Jimmy was awful in the playoffs. I would hope we all want better there. Also why didn't he include all of Brock's playoff games like he did with Jimmy? I think a lot of us are talking about Jimmy when he had CMC, which is what Brock had as well. This dude talks about cherry picking but is doing it in his own right lol.

Like others said the scoring improvement was do to Brock's crazy TD%. That's a stat that imo can change awful quickly year to year. Hopefully it doesn't and he just becomes the highest TD% of all-time lol…but I do think it's reasonable to assume some sort of regression there.

Yeah, I'm sure he will come down some. We can't expect him to break a ton of TD records like he did continually. Lol as long as it's still in the top 5, I'm good with that.

i think it's naive to assume it won't come down. Lol but it would be amazing if it didn't

For sure. Film is out there now. Tendencies. DC's already know Kyle and now have an off season to plan for Brock. The good news is everyone in the world knew Kyle + Jimmy and still couldn't stop them so I don't expect a major drop off for Purdy either.

As a fan base we gotta be smart about all of it…when someone is having wildTD% and a crazy TD/INT ratio in a small sample size, you have to prepare for regression to the mean a little (or a lot who knows).

Absolutely, there will certainly be a regression to the mean over time, IMHO.

Montana's best years were with Steve breathing down his neck. I'm hoping something like that is happening now with Trey and Brock. So that there is no regression but a progression. Keep in mind that Purdy is heading to his 2nd year when things slow down typically for rookies.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
One of those samples was against an elite pass defense in the Dallas Cowboys. He did decent against it *as a rookie* so I have hope for Purdy.

I mean it wasn't just Dallas it was TB, Seattle, snd LV. Like I said cool be be hopeful…also gotta keep it real and understand things like TD% and TD/INT ratio aren't a static stat at all. There's almost always a regression to the mean when it's so crazy high (or low).

The TB game might be a little skewed. It was pretty well won before halftime.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
The stat that stands out to me is their playoff performance.

Jimmy's 6 playoff games combined stats compared to Purdy's first playoff game lol... its mind boggling... I'll try to find the stats and post. Found it.....

NOTICE: Analysis needs to be data-based. Do not cherry-pick data. It prohibits clear thinking and you will be called out on it. The offense under Purdy improved by over 10 points per game. He was the top passer in the NFL from when he entered the NFL. pic.twitter.com/pVov8sCxtq

— Ben Crittenden (@Crito12345) January 30, 2023

its in the tweet lol... crazy...

We all know Jimmy was awful in the playoffs. I would hope we all want better there. Also why didn't he include all of Brock's playoff games like he did with Jimmy? I think a lot of us are talking about Jimmy when he had CMC, which is what Brock had as well. This dude talks about cherry picking but is doing it in his own right lol.

Like others said the scoring improvement was do to Brock's crazy TD%. That's a stat that imo can change awful quickly year to year. Hopefully it doesn't and he just becomes the highest TD% of all-time lol…but I do think it's reasonable to assume some sort of regression there.

Yeah, I'm sure he will come down some. We can't expect him to break a ton of TD records like he did continually. Lol as long as it's still in the top 5, I'm good with that.

i think it's naive to assume it won't come down. Lol but it would be amazing if it didn't

For sure. Film is out there now. Tendencies. DC's already know Kyle and now have an off season to plan for Brock. The good news is everyone in the world knew Kyle + Jimmy and still couldn't stop them so I don't expect a major drop off for Purdy either.

As a fan base we gotta be smart about all of it…when someone is having wildTD% and a crazy TD/INT ratio in a small sample size, you have to prepare for regression to the mean a little (or a lot who knows).

Absolutely, there will certainly be a regression to the mean over time, IMHO.

Montana's best years were with Steve breathing down his neck. I'm hoping something like that is happening now with Trey and Brock. So that there is no regression but a progression. Keep in mind that Purdy is heading to his 2nd year when things slow down typically for rookies.

Having real competition is usually a very good thing for the starter. Let's hope that's the case here too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Trey in the background while they have Brock address the fans

Trey Lance watching a legend in the making #FTTB pic.twitter.com/HMRsIsu5EI

— Socrates (@ITfactor00) May 22, 2023

Is that your twitter account?

😂

I've seen this handle blabbering on about nonsense for a while. Zero understanding of football and just emotional crap.

Yup that dude has been in every Lance post flapping his "mouth"

His sources had Trey being drafted before and during the draft, now it's going to happen later in camp.

Gotta love those sources.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
He's right about what? Jimmy's advanced stats in one game were equal to or better than Purdy's over a 7-8 game stretch? What kind of comparison is that? Not to mention, it was ridiculously obvious how much better Purdy was than Jimmy.

But this is where we are. The Trey fans are so hell bent on minimizing Purdy, they are now embracing and lifting up Jimmy to attempt to make that happen. Lol it's funny at this point.

One game? I'm talking about his last 4 starts with CMC. Jimmy's numbers were legit good.

why do you ya'll resort to "Lance fans" or "Brock haters"? That's childish s**t imo. I'm in the Brock thread talking about Brock. If we're gonna go down that road why are you minimizing what Jimmy did with CMC his last 4 starts. Last I checked completing 73% of your passes, having a QB rating of 113.5, avg 230 yards and having 8 TDs to zero INTs in 4 games was pretty freaking good. Or do those kind of stats only apply to Brock?

Here's my take on Jimmy. You can agree or disagree. When he first got here, nothing much was expected of him, so he just let it rip. After that, he played more conservatively, as if he was trying to just stay out of trouble (kind of like Alex Smith with his succession of defensive coaches). Then this last year, the trust was broken, and he just said F It and let it rip again. Those were among his two best stretches in his tenure here. I just think he didn't take criticism well. Kyle is a near perfectionist. They weren't a good match.